AngryAspie Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 :( I have Asperger's Syndrome or high functioning autism. On several messageboards and discussionboards for people with Asperger's, there's a conflict between the successfull "Aspies" and those who see themselves as semi-retarded losers. I, sadly, belong to the latter category. I was recently in a heated discussion or quarrel in www.asperger-marriage.info's guestbook. I see having children when you have a possibly genetic learning disorder like Asperger's as selfish and irresponsible because you actually risk concieving a person almost destinied to be bullied to insanity while in school or to live on welfare when an adult. Link to post Share on other sites
Zorui Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 ...what? Oh, autism. According to the personality tests, i'm a paranoid antisocial schizoid. Yay! Link to post Share on other sites
whirlygirl Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 *beth hugs AngryAspie with some much needed affection* i have ADHD, and have had friends who have been Aspie, oh, there is another lady on the board with Aspie... Link to post Share on other sites
bard of aven Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, if only people with absolutely clean genotypes reproduced, that would take care of the overpopulation problem pretty quickly. I am not sure anyone is actually doomed to being bullied. Maybe. I don't know. I know what it feels like to be the victim of it in schools; consequently I was hell on wheels whenever I saw it as a teacher. Nobody really knows how children will turn out. Life is one big wildcard. The children of the poor, diseased, and insane sometimes rise to great heights. The children of the rich, healthy and priviliged sometimes sink to great depths. I am kind of a spectator in this arena. My dad had a genetic disease that killed him at 39. I did not inherit it, but my brother and his daughter did. My brother, after 35 years of daily treatment and a number of major surgeries, is going strong at 59. My niece, after 15 years of daily treatments, is very healthy and 27 and married and planning to have a family. But type 1 diabetes is not autism. It may be that being a happy Aspie or a feeling like a loser are as involuntary and as genetically determined as Aspergers or diabetes. We all have to be who we are. I think in most cases, it is better to exist than to not exist. The world and its institutions are improvable, if not always perfectable. But if you feel that you should not have children, then perhaps that is the road you should take. If others feel they should, perhaps that is the road they should take. Losing my father when I was 11 was not easy, but I am glad he and my mother made the decisions they did. I am not trying to tell you how to live or feel. Just trying to present an empathetic alternative. boa Link to post Share on other sites
mouse Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Well, if only people with absolutely clean genotypes reproduced, that would take care of the overpopulation problem pretty quickly. Not only that, but ask any respected geneticist what happens when selective breeding occurs of plants or animals. Typically you end up with a less adaptable, less survivable population. Being autistic isn't a good reason not to reproduce. Not wanting to is fine, but I don't have any problem with more people like myself (autistic) being in the world. As for feeling bad about yourself, I do hope that changes - I can say that the world can change. I had a pretty miserable childhood myself. I don't call what I experienced "bullying" - I call it abuse. I still suffer some PTSD because of what I went through. But I am glad I exist, and enjoy most of my life today. There are plenty of miserable neurotypicals in the world, anyhow - if people didn't reproduce simply because they might have a kid who had a miserable life, no one would reproduce. Link to post Share on other sites
bard of aven Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 There are plenty of miserable neurotypicals in the world neurotypicals--now there's a word that belongs in the favorite insult thread. boa Link to post Share on other sites
Thief Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Neurotypical, and neurominority are terms that were coined by Jim Sinclair who is not only autisitc but rather militantly so! His essays on the language used to describe autism are worth reading. His site is at: http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla We usually abreviate neurotypical to NT. As in "those darn NTs" I was dxed at 8 or 9 with dyslexia, but that was in the early 60s, decades before anyone had identified ADD, ADHD, Aspergers, etc. I like the term Aspergian. It sounds more like an alien race which is how I feel. Welcome, Angry, to the board and I hope the comaraderie here will help you lose some of that anger. Pete Link to post Share on other sites
Gorax Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Welcome to AVEN, AngryAspie :) Link to post Share on other sites
Thief Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Lord Gorax, I will miss your eyes. Link to post Share on other sites
Gorax Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Don't worry, they'll come back as soon as I get over this Jason craze :D *SLASH* Link to post Share on other sites
VivreEstEsperer Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Welcome to the board, AngryAspie! While reading another message board, a highly sensitive person forum, I finally understood the connection between autism and asexuality / HSPness. Not to say that you are necessarily more likely to be autistic if you have either one of those qualities, but someone had asked both me and one other AVENite once if we were autistic, and at the time I was completely baffled as to why. Now I understand that the quality of tending to keep to myself and be in my own little world all the time is one that people tend to associate with autism, in its extreme at least. You're welcome here whatever you are. I would like to learn more about autism sometime. I shall go look at that site that someone else posted. By the way, Aspie, you didnt mention anything about asexuality in your post. Are you asexual as well? or questioning? or? :) Kate Link to post Share on other sites
ogbg Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 YO!!!!! Welcome!!!! :D (jumps up and down happily) Whirlygirl found a soul-sister, hee hee! But like Vivre said, you didn't mention if you were asexual - All we know is that you don't want to have kids :D (Not that it matters whether you are or not, because there are lots of people on here who aren't asexual, but heck, it's always nice to know!!) _____________________ @~||Katherine, who just realized that she reeks of onions... ewww!!! OMG!!! NO WONDER EVERYBODY'S AVOIDING ME!!!! :shock: (runs to wash her hands and hair)||~@ Link to post Share on other sites
AngryAspie Posted August 20, 2003 Author Share Posted August 20, 2003 But like Vivre said, you didn't mention if you were asexual - All we know is that you don't want to have kids :D (Not that it matters whether you are or not, because there are lots of people on here who aren't asexual, but heck, it's always nice to know!!)[/i] I have to say that I define myself more as "pornosexual" because I only want what I see as the "porn" part of a relationship. Most women who are 25-30 are seeking the perfect father for their children, not an overweight loner like me. Link to post Share on other sites
ogbg Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 Oh :shock: Well, that was a surprise!! :lol: But welcome to AVEN, all the same!!! Like I said, there are lots of people here that aren't asexual. Link to post Share on other sites
VivreEstEsperer Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 forgive me for asking, but what is the "porn" part of the relationship? in other words, just the sex? or? curious how you found us? - but welcome nevertheless. Kate Link to post Share on other sites
Gorax Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Yes, what IS a "pornsexual"? Link to post Share on other sites
wombat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Welcome! And I want to tell ya that your not alone being the only auspergers person on the board....yours truely is one. However, many people have placed me in your "first" catigory...so no body can really tell now....I'm really quite social....Just took me a while to get there. BUT YEAH! WELCOME! Be looking foward to more posts! Link to post Share on other sites
Neats Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Welcome AngryAspie. You should be able to find some friends on this forum. Neats Link to post Share on other sites
ishouldbelockedinaninsane Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 hello person, I have high fucktioning aspergers too. I'm a little socially retarded though cause I havent been...'out and about'...for years until recently. I'm still sometimes 80 and sometimes 2. But I'm really 19 almost 20 now. I've tried to convert people to asexuality alot. I just found out I was autistic a little after I discovered this board. I found a site that has a lot of autistic teenagers and young adults on it called aspergia.com, in case you didnt know. Link to post Share on other sites
Gorax Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 high fucktioning aspergers *LOL* If that was a typo, it was the best one ever! Link to post Share on other sites
ogbg Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
monkey Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 How many people here have actually been diagnosed with Aspergers, and how many just see so many of the symptoms/descriptions in themselves that they *know* the diagnosis fits. I ask because I've suspected for a long time that I have Asperger's. Never was diagnosed with it -- the only thing I was diagnosed with was ADD, and my parents chose to pull me out of public school rather than have me put on Ritalin -- but I was a psych major in college, and when I read the DSM-IV diagnosis, a bell just went off in my head. I'm not really sure if there *is* a point to getting a more official diagnosis; I don't think it would accomplish anything, and given my bad experiences with the "helping" professions as a whole, it seems diagnosis would cause more harm than good. Link to post Share on other sites
SoulofSorrow Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I suffer from a different form of autism called PDD.NOS and it affects my social and learning skills . I don't get along with normal people because they don't know what its like to have it. :?: Link to post Share on other sites
xena_trade_center Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 monkey... I do belive theres a strong possibility i have aspergers. A friend of mine actually suggested it before I'd even heard of it. She noticed that I "hand flap" and I've got somecommunication problems, like makeing up words and saying sentences in wierd ways.... even though I can write like a text book. I really don't know if i should do anything about it though.... i've gotten this far Link to post Share on other sites
monkey Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Yeah, that's the way I see it too. Asperger's isn't like ADHD or depression, where proper diagnosis can lead to treatment and the ability to change the course of one's life. I guess a diagnosis could help with self-understanding, and perhaps managing the expectations of close family members, but it does little to make life itself easier. Somehow I've managed to live with (if not overcome) Asperger's symptoms for this long, and spent my whole life "doing something about it." I just don't see how more doctors telling me what I am can be a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites
DusksRequiem Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I visited the Aspergia website, and did some studying. I was surprised to find how in many ways I can, and can't be identified with this trait. I seperate myself from the common social heirarchy, not because I misunderstand it, but because I understand it all too well and don't wish to associate myself with something so simple, and often boring. In private (learned to control it in public setting), sometimes when mentally overexcited, I do exhibit some eccentric physical behavior that I don't even really notice. I sort of..put my right hand on my right shoulder, palm down, make a fist with my left hand and cross it over my chest, and then sort of "tighten it all in", usually with a stressed/excited expression in my face. After typing that out, and reading it, it probably looks really wierd to someone else. No one's ever seen me do it. No one probably ever will. If I ever almost get "caught", I quickly pretend I was scratching my back or something. After assuming this position, the front of my brain throbs alot, almost like it was helping me produce some sort of chemical in a larger quantity. I have no clue. In fact, I don't even know why I'm telling you all this. Hahahaha. I'm very good with mental math, and supposedly, I'm very articulate. I have a vast imagination, I can amuse myself for hours without moving a muscle. I've always been drawn away from sports because of their simple nature that seems to excite so many people over such an unimportant act. I actually played basketball in 6th and 7th grade, and I wasn't that bad. I just lost interest because it seemed sort of pointless after some time. Anyway, I don't think I have Asparigus or whatever. I just think I'm a wierd person who's got some extra brain power. Eh hehehe. Link to post Share on other sites
wombat Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Yeah...same way. GREAT at math and science...vast immaginiation Not very articulate...exept in fencing. But, i do notice that i don't pick up on things and sometimes i do something that i don't mean to be negitive, but it comes across that way...DOH! i hate when i do that! But, if you saw me at college, i doubt you could tell....it may just be that i have learned to mask it. And the only reason i think i have high functioning aspergers is cause i was told by my mother that i do....so, eh.....Oh well... Link to post Share on other sites
skatepixie Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I myself was diagnosed with it, but i think Im normal, just asexy and thus confused back in 6th grade. I also, on those inkblot and socal srawing test, was so freeked out bout being in a test I didnt want to be in with someone picking my brain apart that I just said "I dinno." Then the tester thought I couldnt tell anything about social situations, its like duh, I dont even want to be here. Also, my rents were choosing my Jr High and I was afread that they would choose this charter school that was really weird and wacked out and i thought that if I didnt say anything then Id get to go to the reg public Jr High. I got to go where I wanted, so thats good. I think the only reason that I didnt make friends then was that their sexuality disterbed me and I didnt want to admit it. So, I think Im normal, just asexy... Link to post Share on other sites
Cate Perfect Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Yeah, I'm with you, Wombat. I often don't pick up on social clues that everyone else seems to automatically get, and I will frequently say things that I don't mean in a bad way, but other people take it that way. Now I just try not to talk to people. Or at least, not offer personal opinions. Cate Link to post Share on other sites
Gorax Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Whenever I get those social cues I just ignore them :mrgreen: Link to post Share on other sites
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