Iam9man Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I see Suella Braverman joins Trump & Putin in winning a ‘D*** of the year’ award. Congratulations, well deserved! 🥳 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Acing It Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 12/20/2023 at 7:28 AM, ThePapercraftingCat said: What disgusts me even more is that pound shop Thatcher That's giving Thatcher waaaay too much status I think, using her to bounce Liz Truss off of. IMO they're both in the gutter with their politics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 We need a general election now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 Agreed, and we need make sure the Tories never get a chance of governing again. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Agreed, they should not be allowed in power again. After the awful comments he made, he still refuses to apologise which isn't surprising, but it shows even more, that they don't care about anyone, and will continue to attack everyone, espeically at the moment, trans people. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 hours ago, OptimisticPessimist said: Agreed, they should not be allowed in power again. After the awful comments he made, he still refuses to apologise which isn't surprising, but it shows even more, that they don't care about anyone, and will continue to attack everyone, espeically at the moment, trans people. I am sorry that the US political virus has apparently spread to the UK. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, Sally said: I am sorry that the US political virus has apparently spread to the UK. As much as I would love to blame an outside party, I don't think its a US virus. Sadly, this sort of hatred is transnational, the UK is not immune, 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JimmyJazz Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 The culture war is all that the Conservatives have now and the British public knows it. 20 points behind in the polls for over a year now. They are heading towards a landslide defeat of historic proportions. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Harold Wilson's 1964 election campaign used the slogan "end 13 wasted years of Tory rule". Keir Starmer will probably use that slogan again. Wilson won and Starmer will have to do something extraordinarily bad not to win too. But will he be able to do better than Wilson did (he won a snap election in 1966 but got voted out in 1970, only to return in 1974 and then resign suddenly and still mysteriously in 1976). History considers that he did a good job of reforming society in the first period but is more mixed thereafter)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Larry the cat could do a better job than who we have currently. So, they are trying to ban face masks. Ignoring the fact that covid is still around and that some people need to wear them, along with trying to stop protests. While a lot of people have stated they won't vote for Labour as they are currently, and with Starmer in charge, they'd still have do something really bad to not get in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Gotta love that people who claim to be about freedom now want to ban face masks. What happened to letting people choose for themselves? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sword Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 2/9/2024 at 8:09 PM, ben8884 said: As much as I would love to blame an outside party, I don't think its a US virus. Sadly, this sort of hatred is transnational, the UK is not immune, It spreads like cancer through social media, though, and most of those (like Facecrook and Shitter) originate in the US... so, yeah. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 As I am always wrong in my predictions, I am predicting this so it won't happen: Labour destroy the Tories in 2024 and spend maybe 16 years in government, at least a decade. The Tories become irrelevant and go through various leaders of no consequence, meanwhile, Farage's gang become a bit bigger. Farage comes to the conclusion that the only way to beat Labour is with a merger/take over. Some Tories object the party is too weak to really mount a defence. Farage becomes leader of the new Conservative party-he probably keeps the name but has a new logo. By now, everyone is pissed off with Labour and Farage becomes PM. It might not be Farage, but someone from his party. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 ^^ If only they'd become irrelevant now. Huge no to Farage being in power or any of them again. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 The sooner we have a general election the better. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 08:00 PM The Rwanda bill has passed right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olallieberry Posted Wednesday at 08:36 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:36 PM I don't understand the Rwanda bill. The part I don't understand is how the UK can deport asylum applicants to Rwanda - apparently to seek asylum in Rwanda and not in the UK? Do these two countries have some kind of treaty about this, making it legal in Rwanda for the UK to deport non-Rwandans to there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted Wednesday at 08:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:49 PM The stated purpose is to deport to Rwanda people attempting to enter the country illegally. By small boats or by stowing away in lorries, etc. The aim is that this will act as a deterrent and reduce the numbers attempting illegal immigration. That's the theory, anyway. And if it works, there won't be many sent to Rwanda because there will be far fewer attempts. We shall see, no doubt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olallieberry Posted Wednesday at 09:16 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:16 PM 26 minutes ago, Tyke said: The stated purpose is to deport to Rwanda people attempting to enter the country illegally. By small boats or by stowing away in lorries, etc. The aim is that this will act as a deterrent and reduce the numbers attempting illegal immigration. That's the theory, anyway. And if it works, there won't be many sent to Rwanda because there will be far fewer attempts. We shall see, no doubt. I completely get all of that, what I don't get is how it's possible to deport people to a country they didn't come from. How is that not a violation of Rwanda's sovereignty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blaiddmelyn Posted Wednesday at 09:20 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:20 PM 3 minutes ago, Olallieberry said: I completely get all of that, what I don't get is how it's possible to deport people to a country they didn't come from. How is that not a violation of Rwanda's sovereignty? Rwanda have agreed to it - they're being paid by us to do it, they're quite happy to. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OptimisticPessimist Posted Wednesday at 09:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:28 PM @ben8884 Yes, it's passed, though it still needs to go through the King before becoming official, and he doesn't have the nerve to refuse to sign it. @Olallieberry This explains about the bill. It did go to the UK supreme court in an attempt to get it stopped, but they upheld it. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rwanda-bill-uk-asylum-deportation-plan-explained/ It's not going to reduce people making dangerous journey's or stop them. The goverment has the nerve to act like they care about the innocent people who died and who risk their lives, while targeting them. They aren't making dangeorus journey's for no reason! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted Wednesday at 11:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:49 PM In the US, the state of Florida has done this internally. Governor DeSantis last year bussed refugees to New York and other places to get them out of Florida and punish the Democrats in those states for being supposedly sympathetic toward refugees. Except no one in the target states agreed to accept the refugees from Florida. At least the UK made a deal with Rwanda. Are there any good leaders in the world's countries anymore or are they all idiots or ghouls or both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben8884 Posted Thursday at 05:01 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:01 PM Looks like Amnesty International has some harsh words for the UK in their report. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted Thursday at 05:22 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:22 PM Interesting times in Scotland. The SNP/Greens alliance has finished and a vote of no confidence in the First Minister has been tabled. The SNP is a minority government without the Greens 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Acing It Posted Friday at 07:23 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:23 PM On 2/12/2024 at 1:17 PM, The Sword said: It spreads like cancer through social media, though, and most of those (like Facecrook and Shitter) originate in the US... so, yeah. They are just an easy conduit. It's how people use them and that's again transnational. Look at the heads of state and populism in a lot of countries. That's not coming from the US. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anomaly Q3Xr Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Humza Yousaf has resigned as Scotland's First Minister, and will remain in the position until a replacement is ready to take his place. I guess that didn't go as expected with the collapse of the Green alliance. The UK sure is going through leaders these last few years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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