michaeld Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 2 - It isn't one of the big five/ten/twenty year anniversaries Er it's the Diamond Jubilee - i.e. the 60th anniversary! However it's not 7 July; it will be celebrated 2-5 June. I think that was in reference to July 7th, Michael, not the Jubilee... Ah OK. Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I did mean about the July 7th thing, yeah. But next year is a busy one, a ton of things going on all over the place - this does add to that. But I think it's just going to make the year special, not take away. Link to post Share on other sites
PiF Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 given there is a year to do this..would it not be possible to ask for donations for a banner for the u.k. based aces rather than ups the one from the states? a proper one i mean Link to post Share on other sites
Pandoren Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I don't mind funding the banner. That can be my contribution to Pride. Link to post Share on other sites
Ronny Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Forgive me, but I am very confused by this. Why exactly do you want to march? I know there's the whole 'pride' thing. But I'm just baffled as to why this leads people to march through the streets. I never understood it with the homosexuals and I don't understand why we'd do it. The whole concept seems peculiar to me. No hostility, simply curious :) Link to post Share on other sites
michaeld Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Forgive me, but I am very confused by this. Why exactly do you want to march? I know there's the whole 'pride' thing. But I'm just baffled as to why this leads people to march through the streets. I never understood it with the homosexuals and I don't understand why we'd do it. The whole concept seems peculiar to me. No hostility, simply curious :) It's a fun day out, and a good way of generating visibility. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 In a way it's a great sense of community, it's a celebration of diversity, of being free to be who you are and isn't that fantastic? In another way it's a great way of saying 'we are here, we exist, look at us!' and thus raising visibility. It's also a ton of fun. Pandoren - if you're willing to pay for the banner, how much are you willing to put towards it? There's a good deal of variety in these things. From Plastic ones with a simple print on, to cloth ones that are printed, to cloth ones that are embroided. Once we know how much you're willing to spend, we can see the best we can get for that, and then start designing it. If you want to do this, and I'll have a look around too, but if you want to do the same. Probably, the best idea is printed PVC of some sort. It's the cheapest, and aside from tradition and emotional attachment thanks to my background, also the best idea. Sill, that'll probably be some place between £20-£60 (realistically, it'll probably be around £30 depending on size) not including polls, but we can get those as a separate thing. Shall be worth looking around for the best deal, as I said. And that's a fantastic contribution! Link to post Share on other sites
Pandoren Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Well, I guess we can design one, shop around, see how much it will cost and then I'll see how much I want to pay :P The prices you quoted will be a lot cheaper than I paid for Pride this year, I can cover that. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Well, what size do we want it to be? Most places seem to sell in terms of feet rather than meters which is annoying but there ya go. Do we want to hold it above us, or in front of us? Because in front brings with it size restrictions for practical reasons and above should be taller than in front or else it looks a bit silly, though that means more money. In the perfect world we'd have this beautiful thing that was sown and embroided on like the traditional union banners you see in political type marches, only with a more modern design. They're works of art, they really are. Don't know if any of you guys have ever seen any up close but they're beautiful. But as none of us should be expected to fork up the money for that we'll go for this. And if we do good enough on photoshop it shouldn't matter too much. And we need to make sure we get that just right - though that comes after we've decided on size, and basic ideas of what we want on it. May be worth calling in help from other AVENites and non-AVEN aces so in case we have some graphic designers in our midst and if not, a bunch of us come up with ideas and this is where having a forum would come in handy cause if it takes a while and discussion it could use a thread of its own. Oh! And if we decide on a size, and a people to order it from first, we can find out what dpi they'd need the image, along with things like CMYK or RGB and .tiff or .png/.jpg and so on. Link to post Share on other sites
michaeld Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 I agree that it would be better to have our own banner. We'll fund it somehow, between us. If it's really only going to be £30, that's nothing. I'm going to try and get some of our expert UK meetup organisers involved - even if they don't want to be part of the parade itself. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 As I say, it depends on the size of it. And also if we want them to put in pockets for the poles rather than go with those eyelet things. And we should make sure the company we pic is actually decent and not crap before making a final choice and ordering. For example, some options: http://www.pvcbannersdirect.net/banners.htm http://www.plasticbanners.com/prices.php http://www.discountdisplays-checkout.co.uk/banner-special-offer.html And so on Link to post Share on other sites
Ninny Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 ADD ME TO THE LIIIIIIIIIIIST! :D This is going to be awesome! I'd be really happy to design placards and so on. In regards to the banner I really think it needs to be something we can hold up over our heads, as it wasn't really visible a lot of the time (and the bigger the better too!!). I'd be very happy to contribute money towards it. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Having it above, for which we need it to be taller because that's how the design conventions are (and skinny above-head banners look daft) takes the price probably to around £50, maybe a bit more depending on how wide we want it. Though, if there's two people willing to pay towards it at £50, that's £25 each still. And with above head, you basically need three poles minimum, depending on how you mount it. You CAN do two poles, one on either vertical side, but that leads to the middle dropping down and that doesn't look so good. An example of that happening is in these pics: http://exeteranticutsalliance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/EACAonEmbankment2-1024x768.jpg and http://www.politicshome.com/images/1.1.Other/protest.JPG And it happens even when you the pole bearers stand far enough apart, fairly often. The one across the top doesn't need to be as big or strong as the others, just enough to help prevent drooping. A thick bamboo stick would probably do it, whilst the vertical poles ought to be strong enough. And then use strings to make sure it doesn't flap about in wind. Or we can do something like these here: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/chimage.php?image=2010/2200/mayday.jpg where the one pocket is at the top, and that's a good strength pole. This pole then attaches to two vertical ones that are in pole pockets, and the sides and/or bottom corners are then tied to the vertical poles also to prevent flapping around. I'll look into it. Google image results from the london anti cuts march (which I was in) shall be helpful. If not, I'm a member of a political party and somebody will know. Link to post Share on other sites
michaeld Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 May be worth calling in help from other AVENites and non-AVEN aces so in case we have some graphic designers in our midst and if not, a bunch of us come up with ideas and this is where having a forum would come in handy cause if it takes a while and discussion it could use a thread of its own. Not strictly speaking an ace (unless you count allies), but my sister is a graphics designer and wants to be involved next year! As for the banner: £50 is still peanuts. You don't want to know how much Pandoren and I together spent on the 2011 March. And that wasn't even the big one! All right, there's a lot of popular support for having a separate subforum of Vis just for WORLDPRIDE, so I'll look into it. I'll have to get permission from the rest of the PT, the Admods and the general member-base too. (Maybe if the first two groups approve, I'll make a thread in site comments asking if anyone has any major objections.) Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Ooooo, if she's a graphic designer that's brilliant! And if she could get an account here (because some allies do, there are sexual AVENites) she can talk about it with is directly rather than going through her brother all the time :lol: And I don't think we need to go and spend tons if we don't have to. We could spend £500 on a hand stitched banner made from cloth and felt that will last and look fantastic but that's £500 and I'm not sure anybody else would want to spend that for one banner. And to be honest, I think we can put the money to better use too. Thus the PVC thing which, even going high quality I doubt will go over £100 for the sizes we need and probably will remain under £60-ish. And yay for forum! Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 For accomodations, I'm hoping that we'll eventually have a few people from in/near London volunteer a spare bed/couch or even floor. And if that isn't enough, probably a few people flying in can team up and book a room together. There's probably youth hostels available some place, and with the tube system it doesn't really matter where in the London area they are. And yay, another person! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest member31022 Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Oh, meant to add in that I'm also up for contributing - be it money or if you need things making/meeting up prior for organising, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 If you're under 18 there are issues with legally being able to sign tenancy agreements and so on. And, in London, flats are pretty expensive. If you've any friends in London or close to it, it'd be worth asking them and then helping out with food bills or something. I agree with the twirly flag thing! To be honest, what the SF lot did this year seems nigh on fantastic and if we take them as a model to work off of we'll do okay. Especially if our banner is above our heads, having someone in front of the main group doing a twirly flag thing would look pretty good. If anybody knows how to do twirfly flag stuff well on a consistent basis. We also still have the 'ASEXY' balloons from this year that we didn't use.... though they work less well with an above-head banner than a waist height banner. And to be honest, if we have those and string them well, we could probably go with waist banner and those balloons and get best of both (in front and above head). You know how sometimes you go into stores and they have a bunch of balloons tied onto one long string and it looks like a sort of arc? If we could do that you'd only need two people to hold onto them, possibly also the pole bearers (you could even tie the ends to the top pole of a waist height one) which means not too many people are tied up with it. I mean, if I won a ton of money on the lottery I'd go and buy us an open top bus thing for us to use as well (TARDIS loo here we come!) but alas.... In my head, one of our main goals should be to look both tasteful and also be eye catching and worth mention in the press. Because whilst our picture gets taken a lot, finding pics of us after the fact is very very hard. If we can make some of the people amongst us eye catching too that'd be good but that'll be hard without being too contrived. Unless one of us buys a mascot costume that is a cake and uses that lol. Link to post Share on other sites
michaeld Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 I've started asking about the possibility of a subforum. There was a lukewarm response from the other PT. But I think they'd be willing to go with it if the board as a whole wants it and there are no major objections from the members. I don't want to hold a vote on it. But I may start a thread in Site Comments. If more than say 2 people voice serious objections then I think we should scrap the idea and look for alternatives. If we have strong support and very few or no serious objections then I'll take it back to the PT, and then go to the Admods with the proposal. If people don't want it as a subforum of Vis we could suggest Meetup Mart instead. The latter might be more reasonable in some ways as pride preparations tend to go in MM. OTOH I would be able to moderate it (at least for the time being) if it went in Vis. It would also be more, er, visible as a subforum of Vis! So I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites
JJButterworth Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I think that I can really do this I am looking at about $1500 for the flight, and that is something that I can do even if it means that I won't get season tickets for the Jays in 2012, now the only thing is accomodations and I'll be set. Awesome!I think accommodation is something we should be able to handle. Hopefully enough people will be able to offer beds for a couple of nights at least. How much would I need for public transportation, meals and, pocket money for a week in London? I know that is a vague question but, I only need a vague answer for now. I would like to know this kind of information now so I can make budget thus making it easier to save up for the trip. I've started asking about the possibility of a subforum. There was a lukewarm response from the other PT. But I think they'd be willing to go with it if the board as a whole wants it and there are no major objections from the members. I don't want to hold a vote on it. But I may start a thread in Site Comments. If more than say 2 people voice serious objections then I think we should scrap the idea and look for alternatives. If we have strong support and very few or no serious objections then I'll take it back to the PT, and then go to the Admods with the proposal.If people don't want it as a subforum of Vis we could suggest Meetup Mart instead. The latter might be more reasonable in some ways as pride preparations tend to go in MM. OTOH I would be able to moderate it (at least for the time being) if it went in Vis. It would also be more, er, visible as a subforum of Vis! So I dunno. I like the idea of a sub forum for world pride. I don't think that AVEN has ever tried to do something on the scale before with this many people. Many members will have several questions and arrangements and having them in one thread would be impractical. A temporary sub forum in meet-up mart for this would be best. Look at this thread it's three pages long with several, unrelated discussions. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cost of the transport tickets depends on where you're staying. For a week, getting subway trains and buses, some place between £27 and £50, web site HERE. Food, depends on what you want to do. Fast food all the time, supermarket, eat out, and so on. Pocket money, well, that's entirely up to you I think. And yes, I agree on the forum thing. This is something AVEN has never tried to do before, and to pull it off we'll be discussing lots of things and it'll hard to keep it all organised in one thread so.... Link to post Share on other sites
michaeld Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 Well actually there was Zanzibel's Euromeet. http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/topic/45389-euromeet-paris-february/ That's the nearest equivalent that I know of. Her thread wasn't even that long or complicated but she got around 40 people to come to it from all across Europe not to mention a TV crew! I guess most of her work must have been off AVEN. I should ask her sometime... EDIT: I have started a thread about the possibility of a temporary WORLDPRIDE subforum of Vis/MM. http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/topic/63649-worldpride-subforum/ Link to post Share on other sites
nleseul Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Ooh, I'm definitely interested in this. Assuming I don't decide to up and quit work before then, I should have a long sabbatical coming next summer that I was vaguely thinking that I'd use for a long-ish trip to the UK anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
JJButterworth Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Cost of the transport tickets depends on where you're staying. For a week, getting subway trains and buses, some place between £27 and £50, web site HERE.Food, depends on what you want to do. Fast food all the time, supermarket, eat out, and so on. Pocket money, well, that's entirely up to you I think.And yes, I agree on the forum thing. This is something AVEN has never tried to do before, and to pull it off we'll be discussing lots of things and it'll hard to keep it all organised in one thread so.... What I should have asked is how "expensive" London compared to other major cities? I don't want to bring more money then I need but I don't want to worry about having enough to make it to the end of the week, either. Well actually there was Zanzibel's Euromeet.http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/topic/45389-euromeet-paris-february/That's the nearest equivalent that I know of.Her thread wasn't even that long or complicated but she got around 40 people to come to it from all across Europe not to mention a TV crew! I guess most of her work must have been off AVEN. I should ask her sometime...EDIT: I have started a thread about the possibility of a temporary WORLDPRIDE subforum of Vis/MM.http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/topic/63649-worldpride-subforum/ We are at three pages already and for the euro-meet, most of the foundation was set up and it was confirmed in the first post. We started off with no plans or anything and not only do we have a meet-up to organize, we also have a march to set up among other things. Unless it a other-worldly hassle to create a subfourm for this then there should be one. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Ah! Well, I don't live in London so I'm not sure. Things in chains are the same, so supermarket chains, DVD/CD store chains, and so on? They're the same pretty much. The things catered specifically to tourists, well, I think it's a world wide constant that they charge a bit above the norm. Link to post Share on other sites
Faelights Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Butters, if you ever do figure out how much money a week in London would cost, would you mind sending me a summary of that information? I'm just a little swamped right now ; _ ; Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Lets see, you can get a lunch deal at Tesco for £2.50 that includes sandwich, drink and a bit of fruit. For seven days, that is £17.50 If you have a supermarket, are willing to cook your own food in a kitchen and so on and are careful you can probably buy ingredients for £20 or so from ASDA, may be a bit more at Tesco. Lets say £30 to be on the safe side. You'll probably have leftovers though, this is on the basis of not eating the same thing every other night. Breakfast, say you assign £4 for a packet of cereal and £2 for milk. That's £7. So that's £54.50 and if you give yourself some more room say £60 to eat in a week including all meals. You can, probably, do it for less than that but.... And again, how much pocket money depends entirely on you. It's probably similar to going to New York for a week or DC for a week or something cause they'll all have tourist traps on street corners, but there's also some great things to see. On a bonus, all museums are free so if that's your area of interest that'll save you money. Lets see, you can get a lunch deal at Tesco for £2.50 that includes sandwich, drink and a bit of fruit. For seven days, that is £17.50 If you have a supermarket, are willing to cook your own food in a kitchen and so on and are careful you can probably buy ingredients for £20 or so from ASDA, may be a bit more at Tesco. Lets say £30 to be on the safe side. You'll probably have leftovers though, this is on the basis of not eating the same thing every other night. Breakfast, say you assign £4 for a packet of cereal and £2 for milk. That's £7. So that's £54.50 and if you give yourself some more room say £60 to eat in a week including all meals. You can, probably, do it for less than that but.... And again, how much pocket money depends entirely on you. It's probably similar to going to New York for a week or DC for a week or something cause they'll all have tourist traps on street corners, but there's also some great things to see. On a bonus, all museums are free so if that's your area of interest that'll save you money. Link to post Share on other sites
JJButterworth Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Thanks! Hopefully I can stay at some one's place for the week (I would gladly return the favour in 2014 when Worldpride comes to Toronto) that way I can go grocery shopping in London and save some money by buying it all at once. 60 pounds for food and 50 for the bus. The budget is starting to come together. Here is what I got so far: Flight (Toronto to London) $1500 Food $95 Transport $77 MLB.tv $119.95/ for the season (Not realy needed for this. But hell I am not going a week in the summer with watching at least some baseball) "Other Things" $200 Saftey cash $100 Total $2094.95 If I can "crash" at someones place this can work, without too much pain. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 And hey, I honestly do recomend you go see some of the museums and galleries in London. Not just because they're free (some private ones aren't so worth checking on their web page first) but there's some great stuff in there too. There really is. Link to post Share on other sites
bristrek Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 It is, if possible, always a good idea to allow leeway. Especially as it's a year away and prices may go up. An idea might be, to make a shopping list of what you'd buy for a week's dinners whilst trying to save money and so on. A few of us Brits can, if any of the others want or else it'll just be me, go down our local supermarket and see how much it costs. Might get a better idea. If you're staying over someone's house though, they might just ask for a contribution to the food bill of a certain amount and that's that. Link to post Share on other sites
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