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No, like I said, even without sexual attraction, intercourse still feels very different from masturbation. The other person is moving and squeezing in harmony with you, for one thing. It would be hard to simulate effectively, but there are sex toys that try.

How do you know you had sex without feeling sexual attraction? I mean how do you know if it is the physicality that makes the significant difference or other factors? I don't think that anybody is able to tell. Ability to simulate most factors seem to go against that notion.

It really is very physically different... you probably don't notice cause you're "indifferent to touching other people," but having your skin touched and caressed all over feels really great also.

I doubt that touching, hugs, or kissing other people is really much physically different then something that you could easily simulate in other ways. It can feel physically different because of other mechanism. Kissing is mostly touching something mildly wet, and French kissing is mostly well more wet physically speaking.

And seeing anything in person is much different than seeing it on TV. It's three dimensional

Not everybody can see in 3D, but yeah I don't see a big deal about 3D TVs personally.

and just more real.

I don't think that I even have a concept of what is that supposed to mean, but couldn't that factor to difference that you feel when having sex vs masturbation? How can you differate it effects from physical touch/heat etc.? How do you know if that doesn't matter more for difference in how you feel physically about sex then say heat.

Feeling something physically =/= being caused by touch, texture, heat or force.

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physical stimulation is still physical stimulation.

I don't agree. Feeling MENTALLY turned on enhances the PHYSICAL stimulation because it boosts heart rate, blood flow, and makes the nerve endings at least 10 times more sensitive. The physical experience isn't just a matter of friction, it's the sum of arousal + friction.

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I doubt that touching, hugs, or kissing other people is really much physically different then something that you could easily simulate in other ways.

I agree with you. I think it's the psychological factors that make all the difference (for sexuals).

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So you are still left with the question on why is that. I just don't find way of thinking I feel it different physically = it must be a result of difference in physical stimulation, there is plenty of things that you can feel physically without physical stimulation from outside word. Did you experience sexual attraction? That seem like an important component.

It is a difference in physical stimulation, in that all of those components are together in a single package. I don't know of anything that can accurately replicate a single one of them, let alone the combination. If you're able to produce a device that can replicate all of those sensations with a high degree of accuracy, you'd be rich

No, I didn't experience sexual attraction. This was simply a description of some of the physical components which enhanced my pleasure. Your mileage may vary.

btw Also I wonder how is for example seeing boobs in real life supposed to be different then seeing them in TV? They looked the same to me, how can people get excited about that. Just don't tell that this is because of potential sex, as that doesn't explain stripteasers.

I'd imagine it's like seeing Yosemite on TV vs. seeing it in person. Going there and being surrounded by it and connected to it is an extremely different feeling than watching a few scattered images on a three foot wide box in the living room.

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I'd imagine it's like seeing Yosemite on TV vs. seeing it in person. Going there and being surrounded by it and connected to it is an extremely different feeling than watching a few scattered images on a three foot wide box in the living room.

Walking in Yosemite would also give a sense of scope this I can vaguely experience. I don't experience feeling connected. For me seeing boobs in real life is exactly the same as seeing am jpg with them, may look nice, but gets boring after few seconds.

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No, like I said, even without sexual attraction, intercourse still feels very different from masturbation. The other person is moving and squeezing in harmony with you, for one thing. It would be hard to simulate effectively, but there are sex toys that try.

Reading this all I can think of is "ugh!" I don't want to be that close to someone else's body, never mind dealing with all the social and health issues. I'm quite orgasmic enough on my own.

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I'm sexual, but I don't think sexual pleasure is the best or more important thing in the world. Sometimes I feel I'd be fine going without if it allowed me not to get horny at inappropriate times. But I certainly enjoy it a lot.

I can relate to the work thing. I had a boyfriend who suffered from delayed ejaculation, it would take him hours to come. It was horrible, it took so long it would start to hurt, plus I knew it would take a long time so even when I was horny I never felt like sex, I kept thinking "If we start now we'll be at it for four hours, it's such a waste of time". Other boyfriends who were quicker were no problem though, it doesn't feeling a chore if I know it's not going to take ages.

I'd like to comment on a few things from the thread.

First, a hole isn't the same as the next. The reason why people have sex in so many different ways is because they're all so different. Even masturbation and a handjob don't feel the same though, because it's somebody else. So while masturbation might get you to come faster because you know when and how to change the pressure, a handjob is going to be more "unexpected" and varying the stimulation can be very pleasurable. Imagine you always eat your own food and then you eat the same recipe but cooked by someone else. It's going to taste a bit different even though it's the same recipe.

As far as other parts of the body than your hands, they feel very different as far as I know. Different temperatures, amounts of pressure, or wetness, etc. And add to that the fact that your partner can squeeze their muscles and you won't know when, and it feels more intense as a result.

The tickling thing is something you can't fight if you're an average person. You might know intelletually that somebody is tickling you, but because you're not the one controlling it, you don't know exactly where, when, how you're being tickled and your body has to react rather than expect. Therefore it's more unprepared and the sensations are more intense.

As for the sensations with a dildo, well I can't really tell you why, but I've never enjoyed dildos. They don't feel good when I'm the one using them, and they don't feel good when someone uses them on me either. They do feel different than flesh and blood (different texture, different temperature) and when I'm moving them I get that this could be the problem, but really I guess I only like a penis in combination with the rest of the body to feel, touch, hug, etc. A disembodied one does nothing for me. When I masturbate I don't even put anything inside, so for me it's extremely different from intercourse.

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Maybe one's fantasies play a part in whether partnered sex is more enjoyable than solo. Like, if you have fantasies about being dominated, you can imagine that sort of thing while you masturbate, but nobody else is there to make it real. Some people love the power play of sex - that sort of thing can only happen with a partner (I'm guessing - maybe there's more kinky stuff out there for singles I don't know about! :o )

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physical stimulation is still physical stimulation.

I don't agree. Feeling MENTALLY turned on enhances the PHYSICAL stimulation because it boosts heart rate, blood flow, and makes the nerve endings at least 10 times more sensitive. The physical experience isn't just a matter of friction, it's the sum of arousal + friction.

E.

Yeah, that's why I said "...and this (emotions/mental component) may heighten the experience for them..." right before the part you quoted.

I am not saying that there no other emotions for other related to sex, but sexual attraction is not physical, but it can change the physical sensation. Physical was described by different touch/texture/pressure in sex vs masturbation.

True, and for women there can be vastly different types of orgasms depending on where the stimulation takes place, and some people are more sensitive in the genitals than others. One thing I did like about parnered sex was that I didn't have to do all the work, all the time, and masturbation doesn't really allow a person to relax during (I mean taking a passive role, even for a short time). So, no, it's not exactly the same, but for my purposes, it's a means to the same end.

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No, like I said, even without sexual attraction, intercourse still feels very different from masturbation. The other person is moving and squeezing in harmony with you, for one thing. It would be hard to simulate effectively, but there are sex toys that try.

How do you know you had sex without feeling sexual attraction? I mean how do you know if it is the physicality that makes the significant difference or other factors? I don't think that anybody is able to tell. Ability to simulate most factors seem to go against that notion.

I know because I had sex with someone I was not attracted to and did not feel any attraction.

It really is very physically different... you probably don't notice cause you're "indifferent to touching other people," but having your skin touched and caressed all over feels really great also.

I doubt that touching, hugs, or kissing other people is really much physically different then something that you could easily simulate in other ways. It can feel physically different because of other mechanism. Kissing is mostly touching something mildly wet, and French kissing is mostly well more wet physically speaking.

It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back, the way her hands slide and move down your back, the way her legs move up and down and pull you in, the warmth and wetness, all at the same time. You would need some kind of sex doll.

Sure, maybe if you had a perfect, high-tech sex robot, masturbating using the robot would feel similar to sex. But when I masturbate, it's just my hand. I don't "simulate" any of those things.

I don't think that I even have a concept of what is that supposed to mean, but couldn't that factor to difference that you feel when having sex vs masturbation? How can you differate it effects from physical touch/heat etc.?

As I and others have said, the difference is because of things like touch and heat.

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I have never actually had sex nor do I really have any interest in having sex. While the urges are there, the thought of having sex with another person just doesn't appeal to me. Even things like porn that are supposed to turn people on doesn't do anything for me.

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As I and others have said, the difference is because of things like touch and heat.

Yes but that is running in circles I had given you examples of things that can make difference sub consciously (and are based on other real phenomena's like giggling that you know about done by somebody else vs done by you*) yet you claim that you know that they don't factor in. My only point is that you can't know that.

*You don't feel any subconscious influence when somebody else giggles you but it feels different physically. Heck sharing any experience can change how you feel about even if you don't particularly like the person.

It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back, the way her hands slide and move down your back, the way her legs move up and down and pull you in, the warmth and wetness, all at the same time.

Yuck, guess I will not make the machine because just trying to imagine it feels disgusting.

The tickling thing is something you can't fight if you're an average person. You might know intelletually that somebody is tickling you, but because you're not the one controlling it, you don't know exactly where, when, how you're being tickled and your body has to react rather than expect. Therefore it's more unprepared and the sensations are more intense.

Making it a mechanism that makes something physically identical feel different physically.

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I know we're not supposed to judge, but on BlackRose's note about the "sex robot", that creeps me out.

People having sex with RealDolls and such also creeps me out, for the same reason.

Using something that looks like a person but lacks sentience to masturbate (because that's essentially what it would be - just a more 'thorough' version of using a dildo or a fleshlight to get oneself off) just comes off as...I'm not sure, but it disturbs me on some profound level.

It'd be like (my emotional response, not moral equivalency) necrophilia. Reducing something that is specifically designed to approximate the experience of partnered sex to a lump of meat, something that looks like a person but cannot give (or withhold) consent, a humanlike effigy that is purely a tool for the fulfillment of sexual (and even non-sexual, like dressing it up and pretending to have a conversation or some other sort of interpersonal interaction with it) whims, with no will or mind of its own but that still looks like a person just has some implications that really make my skin crawl.

The pleasure of sex versus masturbation is in the give and take, the exchange between two (or more) people, the partnership of desires and drives and, yes, even boundaries - if only for the night. Taking the other "person's" free will out of the equation but retaining everything else...I can't really articulate why, but that idea just sets off a long, loud scream somewhere in the back of my head.

I don't think I could explain it in any way that would make sense, but my visceral psychological response to the concept is intensely, profoundly negative. It just absolutely horrifies me on a very deep and primal level.

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I reckon I know a bit about sexual pleasure. Jeez, I don't know if this is common, but by the time I was 4 I was already pleasuring myself by humping balled up blankets. It's the epitome of asexual masturbation; back then I didn't even have a concept of sex. I've been doing this up into my teen years, but as a kid I just thought of it as some odd habit of mine that I liked to do. By the time I was in my teens I started to actually think sexual thoughts.

I don't know if I've been having true orgasms all that time, since the climactic point of it all was never earth-shattering like some women seem to describe orgasms. Maybe they were orgasms, but milder. But I can live without it...and I have been for the past couple of years. My libido disappeared, slowly becoming more and more infrequent. I stopped feeling any real pleasure doing the things I used to do, like my crotch was becoming bored. And I didn't care. One time last year it came back, but I didn't have the opportunity to fulfill it, and I was frustrated with having a sex drive that randomly pops up at times I can't even determine, and without any release. Why bother? So somehow mentally I just gave it the boot. It's not really a part of my life anymore.

And on that note, I've never had real pleasure sticking things into my body, always outside. So sex hasn't been so great for me. Actually it's painful. Just try imagining that you had some sort of disorder that made sex painful for you. It wouldn't be appealing, would it?

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

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I reckon I know a bit about sexual pleasure. Jeez, I don't know if this is common, but by the time I was 4 I was already pleasuring myself by humping balled up blankets. It's the epitome of asexual masturbation; back then I didn't even have a concept of sex. I've been doing this up into my teen years, but as a kid I just thought of it as some odd habit of mine that I liked to do. By the time I was in my teens I started to actually think sexual thoughts.

I don't know if I've been having true orgasms all that time, since the climactic point of it all was never earth-shattering like some women seem to describe orgasms. Maybe they were orgasms, but milder. But I can live without it...and I have been for the past couple of years. My libido disappeared, slowly becoming more and more infrequent. I stopped feeling any real pleasure doing the things I used to do, like my crotch was becoming bored. And I didn't care. One time last year it came back, but I didn't have the opportunity to fulfill it, and I was frustrated with having a sex drive that randomly pops up at times I can't even determine, and without any release. Why bother? So somehow mentally I just gave it the boot. It's not really a part of my life anymore.

And on that note, I've never had real pleasure sticking things into my body, always outside. So sex hasn't been so great for me. Actually it's painful. Just try imagining that you had some sort of disorder that made sex painful for you. It wouldn't be appealing, would it?

Yup, I started when I was probably 2 or 3 so it wasn't sexual for me either for the longest time, it was just something I did. And it felt good and there was a sort of climax to it, but I didn't have a "real" orgasm until I was probably 18 (I assume once my hormones really kicked in — I was physically a late bloomer). For me, it has to be completely external. I've tried insertion and it always just makes me hurt for days afterward.

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I know we're not supposed to judge, but on BlackRose's note about the "sex robot", that creeps me out.

People having sex with RealDolls and such also creeps me out, for the same reason.

Using something that looks like a person but lacks sentience to masturbate (because that's essentially what it would be - just a more 'thorough' version of using a dildo or a fleshlight to get oneself off) just comes off as...I'm not sure, but it disturbs me on some profound level.

It'd be like (my emotional response, not moral equivalency) necrophilia. Reducing something that is specifically designed to approximate the experience of partnered sex to a lump of meat, something that looks like a person but cannot give (or withhold) consent, a humanlike effigy that is purely a tool for the fulfillment of sexual (and even non-sexual, like dressing it up and pretending to have a conversation or some other sort of interpersonal interaction with it) whims, with no will or mind of its own but that still looks like a person just has some implications that really make my skin crawl.

The pleasure of sex versus masturbation is in the give and take, the exchange between two (or more) people, the partnership of desires and drives and, yes, even boundaries - if only for the night. Taking the other "person's" free will out of the equation but retaining everything else...I can't really articulate why, but that idea just sets off a long, loud scream somewhere in the back of my head.

I don't think I could explain it in any way that would make sense, but my visceral psychological response to the concept is intensely, profoundly negative. It just absolutely horrifies me on a very deep and primal level.

P.

If I had to choose either sex with a real person or with a "sex robot", I would rather choose a robot. Reasons? I would not be ashamed to be naked around a mere thing. I would not disappoint it - I could switch it off whenever I wished and it would not feel sad or unwanted for it. It would not force me to do something I don´t want to do. It would not judge my looks and my sex skills (I have none). It would not fall in love with me and I would not fall in love with it.

It would be only upgraded masturbation.

What creeps me out is when some people use other people as a mere things. When they use things there´s nothing bad about it.

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

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I know we're not supposed to judge, but on BlackRose's note about the "sex robot", that creeps me out.

People having sex with RealDolls and such also creeps me out, for the same reason.

Using something that looks like a person but lacks sentience to masturbate (because that's essentially what it would be - just a more 'thorough' version of using a dildo or a fleshlight to get oneself off) just comes off as...I'm not sure, but it disturbs me on some profound level.

It'd be like (my emotional response, not moral equivalency) necrophilia. Reducing something that is specifically designed to approximate the experience of partnered sex to a lump of meat, something that looks like a person but cannot give (or withhold) consent, a humanlike effigy that is purely a tool for the fulfillment of sexual (and even non-sexual, like dressing it up and pretending to have a conversation or some other sort of interpersonal interaction with it) whims, with no will or mind of its own but that still looks like a person just has some implications that really make my skin crawl.

The pleasure of sex versus masturbation is in the give and take, the exchange between two (or more) people, the partnership of desires and drives and, yes, even boundaries - if only for the night. Taking the other "person's" free will out of the equation but retaining everything else...I can't really articulate why, but that idea just sets off a long, loud scream somewhere in the back of my head.

I don't think I could explain it in any way that would make sense, but my visceral psychological response to the concept is intensely, profoundly negative. It just absolutely horrifies me on a very deep and primal level.

P.

You understand the context, right? Data asked me why you couldn't just simulate all the factors that made sex better than masturbation, and I said that to simulate them even close to accuracy would require a lot of work and technology.

I'm curious about the horrified response... how do you feel about:

* A dildo or fleshlight attached to a large body pillow, to assist with masturbation in different positions, if the pillow is just a big pillow

* A machine that moves a dildo in and out of a vagina, or a textured sleeve back and forth along a penis

* Robots who look like humans and work as domestic servants

* Stories or fantasies about mind controlling someone else for sexual purposes

* BDSM sex games where someone is consensually used as an object or as a sex slave

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I reckon I know a bit about sexual pleasure. Jeez, I don't know if this is common, but by the time I was 4 I was already pleasuring myself by humping balled up blankets. It's the epitome of asexual masturbation; back then I didn't even have a concept of sex. I've been doing this up into my teen years, but as a kid I just thought of it as some odd habit of mine that I liked to do. By the time I was in my teens I started to actually think sexual thoughts.

I don't know if I've been having true orgasms all that time, since the climactic point of it all was never earth-shattering like some women seem to describe orgasms. Maybe they were orgasms, but milder. But I can live without it...and I have been for the past couple of years. My libido disappeared, slowly becoming more and more infrequent. I stopped feeling any real pleasure doing the things I used to do, like my crotch was becoming bored. And I didn't care. One time last year it came back, but I didn't have the opportunity to fulfill it, and I was frustrated with having a sex drive that randomly pops up at times I can't even determine, and without any release. Why bother? So somehow mentally I just gave it the boot. It's not really a part of my life anymore.

And on that note, I've never had real pleasure sticking things into my body, always outside. So sex hasn't been so great for me. Actually it's painful. Just try imagining that you had some sort of disorder that made sex painful for you. It wouldn't be appealing, would it?

Yup, I started when I was probably 2 or 3 so it wasn't sexual for me either for the longest time, it was just something I did. And it felt good and there was a sort of climax to it, but I didn't have a "real" orgasm until I was probably 18 (I assume once my hormones really kicked in — I was physically a late bloomer). For me, it has to be completely external. I've tried insertion and it always just makes me hurt for days afterward.

Yeah, the same goes for me. I started when I was 3 or 4, I think. But for wahtever reason I stopped when I was probably 9 years old.

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

And you're lying face up so you feel it on your back? You couldn't be performing the act like that surely??

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

And you're lying face up so you feel it on your back? You couldn't be performing the act like that surely??

I'm thinking that he's face down, and that her hair is long enough to cascade over his back; the hair is not under him, but over him.

Maybe we'll need diagrams to clear this up. :lol: I suppose I could try drawing that. XD

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

And you're lying face up so you feel it on your back? You couldn't be performing the act like that surely??

I'm thinking that he's face down, and that her hair is long enough to cascade over his back; the hair is not under him, but over him.

Maybe we'll need diagrams to clear this up. :lol: I suppose I could try drawing that. XD

Hey I'd like to see that but maybe it would violate the terms of service? :lol:

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

And you're lying face up so you feel it on your back? You couldn't be performing the act like that surely??

I'm thinking that he's face down, and that her hair is long enough to cascade over his back; the hair is not under him, but over him.

Maybe we'll need diagrams to clear this up. :lol: I suppose I could try drawing that. XD

Yes, that is what I meant. Her hair is draped over my back. But the exact positioning and location of the hair isn't that important; my point was that I like the feel of a woman's hair and skin brushing over my body during sex. It increases the pleasure and it's one of the many things that make partner sex more pleasurable than masturbation.

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It's hard to simulate the way a woman's hair feels against your back,

I admit I may not want to know, but in what position would you feel a woman's hair against your back?? I'm trying to imagine and I just can't put it together :ph34r:

Me lying on top of her with my head on her chest, and her hair over her shoulders in front of her.

And you're lying face up so you feel it on your back? You couldn't be performing the act like that surely??

I'm thinking that he's face down, and that her hair is long enough to cascade over his back; the hair is not under him, but over him.

Maybe we'll need diagrams to clear this up. :lol: I suppose I could try drawing that. XD

Yes, that is what I meant. Her hair is draped over my back. But the exact positioning and location of the hair isn't that important; my point was that I like the feel of a woman's hair and skin brushing over my body during sex. It increases the pleasure and it's one of the many things that make partner sex more pleasurable than masturbation.

Dat woman got some long hair i'm thinkin'... but i'm glad you cleared that up cos i was imagining all sorts of contortions. And before the point is lost in all my yabbering, yes, i totally agree that another body makes a big difference. But if you're asexual, I imagine it would just feel irritating to have another person so intimately engaged with you. I imagine that the physical pleasure is just not worth the punishment of having another person crowding your space. Am I right?

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And before the point is lost in all my yabbering, yes, i totally agree that another body makes a big difference. But if you're asexual, I imagine it would just feel irritating to have another person so intimately engaged with you. I imagine that the physical pleasure is just not worth the punishment of having another person crowding your space. Am I right?

Yes. I only doubt it could be called pleasure ´cause the negative feelings would be stronger than positive ones.

There are some things which you surely want to do alone, in privacy. For example, you don´t want to go to the toilet with another person. I feel the same way about sex.

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And before the point is lost in all my yabbering, yes, i totally agree that another body makes a big difference. But if you're asexual, I imagine it would just feel irritating to have another person so intimately engaged with you. I imagine that the physical pleasure is just not worth the punishment of having another person crowding your space. Am I right?

Yes. I only doubt it could be called pleasure ´cause the negative feelings would be stronger than positive ones.

There are some things which you surely want to do alone, in privacy. For example, you don´t want to go to the toilet with another person. I feel the same way about sex.

I think I can understand that. Some things are just too personal. I couldn't possibly enjoy sex with a person I didn't feel fond of--the fondness overcomes my wariness in letting someone near me. And since I've found that being fond of a person makes me vulnerable to manipulation and abuse, I'm even less inclined to pursue sexual activity with anyone. I hate this world. I didn't expect anyone to take advantage of someone who is caring and kind. Stupid me.

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You understand the context, right? Data asked me why you couldn't just simulate all the factors that made sex better than masturbation, and I said that to simulate them even close to accuracy would require a lot of work and technology.

I do, yes. I was just honestly quite surprised by the strength of my own reaction even to the concept mentioned in passing, and thought it worth discussing. I certainly wasn't having a go at anyone in particular, just expressing a, "Wow, that idea really quite upsets me. This is how, and what I understand of why."

I'm curious about the horrified response... how do you feel about:

* A dildo or fleshlight attached to a large body pillow, to assist with masturbation in different positions, if the pillow is just a big pillow

* A machine that moves a dildo in and out of a vagina, or a textured sleeve back and forth along a penis

* Robots who look like humans and work as domestic servants

* Stories or fantasies about mind controlling someone else for sexual purposes

* BDSM sex games where someone is consensually used as an object or as a sex slave

Respectively;

1 and 2 don't particularly bother me, because they don't resemble human beings.

3 doesn't particularly disturb me, because they're not being used for sexual purposes, although proliferation of humanlike domestic 'bots would further narrow the already-limited unskilled job market in the US and it makes me uncomfortable on that basis, but let's not get into a big sociopolitical issue like low-income families and their limited options in modern America or we'll be here for weeks, passions will flare and sooner or later someone will say something in a fit of pique that results in a Mod locking this thread.

4 doesn't bother me because I believe everything should be permissable in fantasy on an individual basis as long as it doesn't inspire anyone to then go out and try to hurt other people.

5 doesn't bother me, because everyone is consenting and has autonomy. The 'slave/'bot' posesses and can express their agency to alter the game if they feel uncomfortable or simply neglected/deprived at any time.

My discomfort is with the sexual use of something that looks like a person, but lacks a person's capacity for agency.

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I think I can understand your unease, but I would say it's still a tool. I feel like you are anthropomorphising it. So to you, it's not a tool like a dildo or fleshlight, but that happens to be shaped like a human, it's more like a person who doesn't have the option of saying "no".

I might be off-base here, but it sounded a bit like you felt that way.

I think that using such a tool when you're someone who doesn't want emotional attachment could be a very good thing. eople who are only in it for the physical aspect have the option to hurt the people they have casual relationships with, people who do have feelings and might not be on the same page. A masturbatory aid cannot be hurt no matter its shape. I definitely find it preferable, although I guess one could be disturbed by the fact a human being would not look for an emotional connection. Maybe it disturbs you in the same way masturbation used to be shocking: because of its "lack of purpose". It used to be considered a pointless activity and even a sin due to that because it can't produce children. Some people still consider it that way, and feel the same about sex with birth control.

Maybe what these people feel about sex without procreation, you feel about sex without emotional connection, or the potential for it. And I don't mean just love, but when you interact with another human being you exchange informations, you learn about one another, etc. Masturbation is self-centered and you don't "gain" or "share" anything from it, it's like a closed cycle with just yourself.

Maybe your gut reaction is to the idea that something could replace sex with other human beings completely or mostly for some people. Humans are social beings and the idea of someone who doesn't interact with other can bother us because we live through interacting with others.

How would you feel about a robot programmed not for sex, but for romance? Going to diner and a movie with the bot and talking about things, and have them say romantic things, etc? It would all be a lie, programmed into the bot, does it give you the same kind of feeling? If so, your problem is probably about the interaction factor.

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