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On 10/28/2019 at 5:51 PM, PoeciMeta said:

I'm currently figuring out what I want transition-wise, and I found myself wondering how much of my downstairs I actually want to keep. I'm pretty sure about the hysto, but I can't find any detailed or reliable info concerning the external parts, with it being often considered mutilation... this might turn into a full-blown thread, but does anyone know something aout this? 

I know, some part of me thinks I'll learn what's relevant in due time, ie when I can actually access such surgeries. But when that time comes, I'll probably be impatient to get stuff done quick, and I certainly don't want to rush into things. So, if I can get some pros and cons to weigh sooner than that, it's probably better. Please? :3

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nerdperson777
22 hours ago, Ƒɾҽąҟ-ටղ-Ⱥ-Ꝉҽąʂհ said:

i cant remember  but i think it was its an usa site  i think they said it will take 5 - 15 working days to get here my husband has the details of it 

I believe that the two biggest binder suppliers are Underworks and gc2b.  Underworks is more geared towards cis men with gynecomastia.  gc2b is made by trans people for trans people.  You probably ordered from one of those.

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Celyn
5 hours ago, nerdperson777 said:

I believe that the two biggest binder suppliers are Underworks and gc2b.  Underworks is more geared towards cis men with gynecomastia.  gc2b is made by trans people for trans people.  You probably ordered from one of those.

Mine is Spectrum but I don't know if you can even get them outside the UK.

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nerdperson777
5 hours ago, Celyn said:

Mine is Spectrum but I don't know if you can even get them outside the UK.

They said that it was from a US site, which I think means a US company.  Those are the most popular ones that I've heard people ordering from.

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Celyn
12 hours ago, nerdperson777 said:

They said that it was from a US site, which I think means a US company.  Those are the most popular ones that I've heard people ordering from.

Ah I'll shut up then

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Karst

I've realized that, actually, I enjoy wearing skirts.  They're comfortable, and you can swirl them dramatically.  I just wish they were considered a gender-neutral item.

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Sarah-Sylvia
2 hours ago, Iridium said:

I've realized that, actually, I enjoy wearing skirts.  They're comfortable, and you can swirl them dramatically.  I just wish they were considered a gender-neutral item.

there's Kilts, so I guess there is that. But yeah that would be nice.

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Starbogen

Hmm so this might sound weird and like it makes no sense but does anyone else ever feel like.. you're technically a binary trans person but if you had been cis you would have identified with the term "cis-genderless"? So it's like you care about gender stuff, but only because you have dysphoria (particularly body dysphoria) but you don't actually feel a strong connection to gender otherwise? 

I guess I just feel like I'm a binary trans guy because I prefer living as male, looking male, going by male pronouns, presenting male, being treated and thought of as male (including by myself), but at the same time I don't quite feel like a "man". Like there's a distinction between the words "male" (even in a  social/cultural sense) and "man" for me. But I'm not sure if maybe I just feel like that because I haven't medically transitioned and that's maybe something I personally need before I can think of myself like that fully, or if it's because I haven't had enough social interactions like that, or if maybe it's just cause I don't feel like an adult.. Though to be fair I do tend to slightly prefer more neutral words like kid/child/sibling to boy/son/brother.. So I guess I feel like I'm too binary to consider myself nonbinary but I'm also not quite as binary as the average binary person.. Does that make sense? It's because of this stuff that I think of myself as genderqueer. I know it's an umbrella term but as far as I know it's not necessary a term that exclusively means nonbinary and some people who are binary use it right?.. so for me "genderqueer man" feels a lot more fitting than just "man". 

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Janus DarkFox

I had my hormone landscape done today, I’ll get results well... either next day, 1 week, 1 month or 6 months down the line.  Whatever comes out of this, I expect anything.  1 day for anything emergency, 1 week for any tested blood problem, 1 month for any hopeful referral to an Endo and 6 months is my next psych appointment.  Hopefully at all stages of results, comes back clean and I’m weary that I may get mixed gender results.  It also comes with a cancer screen sooo that’s lovely too lol.

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PoeciMeta
3 hours ago, Starbogen said:

Hmm so this might sound weird and like it makes no sense but does anyone else ever feel like.. you're technically a binary trans person but if you had been cis you would have identified with the term "cis-genderless"? So it's like you care about gender stuff, but only because you have dysphoria (particularly body dysphoria) but you don't actually feel a strong connection to gender otherwise? 

I guess I just feel like I'm a binary trans guy because I prefer living as male, looking male, going by male pronouns, presenting male, being treated and thought of as male (including by myself), but at the same time I don't quite feel like a "man". Like there's a distinction between the words "male" (even in a  social/cultural sense) and "man" for me. But I'm not sure if maybe I just feel like that because I haven't medically transitioned and that's maybe something I personally need before I can think of myself like that fully, or if it's because I haven't had enough social interactions like that, or if maybe it's just cause I don't feel like an adult.. Though to be fair I do tend to slightly prefer more neutral words like kid/child/sibling to boy/son/brother.. So I guess I feel like I'm too binary to consider myself nonbinary but I'm also not quite as binary as the average binary person.. Does that make sense? It's because of this stuff that I think of myself as genderqueer. I know it's an umbrella term but as far as I know it's not necessary a term that exclusively means nonbinary and some people who are binary use it right?.. so for me "genderqueer man" feels a lot more fitting than just "man". 

Hmm, that's strange indeed! ^^

I thought being cis-genderless was about not feeling dysphoria and not caring either way? I could very well be wrong, of course. That sounds demiboyish to me, but again, I really can't know... 

 

Maybe it is that you have mostly social dysphoria, and being perceived as male is what doesn't make you dysphoric? I mean, even for 'nonbinary male-sided' people, I can see the appeal of just going by binary male. It's simple, confortable, and socially accepted, even for some people who don't feel 100% like men... if that makes sense? Not saying you're nb (although you can be, why not), just thinking out loud... I imagine 'real' men, including cis men, don't necessarily feel so very male all the time. I've read cis people don't tend to think about their gender too much, for example. 

I hope at least a bit of what I wrote is relevant... 

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Starbogen
3 hours ago, PoeciMeta said:

Hmm, that's strange indeed! ^^

I thought being cis-genderless was about not feeling dysphoria and not caring either way? I could very well be wrong, of course. That sounds demiboyish to me, but again, I really can't know... 

 

Maybe it is that you have mostly social dysphoria, and being perceived as male is what doesn't make you dysphoric? I mean, even for 'nonbinary male-sided' people, I can see the appeal of just going by binary male. It's simple, confortable, and socially accepted, even for some people who don't feel 100% like men... if that makes sense? Not saying you're nb (although you can be, why not), just thinking out loud... I imagine 'real' men, including cis men, don't necessarily feel so very male all the time. I've read cis people don't tend to think about their gender too much, for example. 

I hope at least a bit of what I wrote is relevant... 

No you're right and all of that makes sense. I guess I meant genderqueer all along but the term cis-genderless came to mind because from what I've read people who identify that way are fine with living as their agab but they don't necessarily "feel" like it, or connected to it. So obviously I'm not that since I'm trans and I was very much not okay with living as female, but what I meant was that if I had been born as a cis male then I might have considered myself cis-genderless because I'm comfortable living as a man but also don't feel very internally attached to the lable of "man". Hope that makes more sense..

 

And yeah I get that what I said sounds like it would fit under being a demiboy, I considered that when I was questioning.. but while the way I feel does fit, I just don't identify as that at all. Being binary male but also genderqueer makes more sense to me than being partly male/partly something else and essencially nonbinary. And I think the distinction for me might just be that, as far as I understand it at least, a demiboy would recognize the "not male" part of their gender as significant enough that it makes it so they're not a man. It would be like a noun.. they're "male" but also "something else".. but for me the genderqueer part of my gender is more like an adjective than a noun , so it means I'm a "something male" but that unusual something is not enough of its own thing to make me "not a man". Maybe it would be in theory, but not in practice, and practice is a big part of how I personally understand gender. Because otherwise I'd probably consider myself kinda genderless (hence the thought that started my previous post about feeling like I might have thought of myself as cis-genderless if I had been a cis guy.)

 

Something that I've lowkey identified with since I first read it is the phrase "man-shaped being" (courtesy of Good Omens). Cause it's like.. yeah, aside from the irony of being trans, that's basically how I feel deep down. 

I don't know if this makes more sense or less than my first post though X'D Maybe I just have some strange understandings about gender but it's just what personally works for me so idk

But you're also right that a lot of if not most cis people also just don't think about their gender or have an internal "feeling" of being their gender. They just are. And I think I'm also that way in the times I'm most comfortable with myself, I'm just a guy. But still quite a gender-noncomforming one who like to recognize that aspect about myself, so that's also another reason for considering myself binary and genderqueer.

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Light02

Hey, peeps! I kinda left this entire forum but I'm coming back for a bit now to ask some questions. I seem to recall we had some German trans members here? Which is great because my situation is that in about a year I'll (probably) move to Germany. And my problem is that I don't really know much about the process of transitioning there. I have a few questions for anyone who's German in this group.

 

1) I'm non-binary, is that something that doctors know about there? Would I still be allowed to transition?

 

2) I want to go on low-dose T for a while and then stop, would they let me?

 

3) What kind of options are there, as in, can you only inject T with a needle (like I've learned it is in my country) or is gel an option?

 

4) I would love to know if you have had experience with transitioning in Germany, what was it like? If you've had top surgery there as well, what was it like?

 

5) Who do I ask in order to start my transition? I assume an endocrinologist but I'm not sure. Is there such a thing as a gender therapist there?

 

6) What is the whole process like, do you need a letter from a psychologist, are there waiting lists, etc.?

 

7) What are the prices for testosterone and top surgery like? Would be nice if anyone knows the price for insurated and uninsured folks.

 
I don't know German, so I can't really google it myself and read about it, I'd appreciate it if you could give me any piece of information you have. If it's relevant I think I'll be living close to Hamburg.
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Bloc
16 hours ago, Light02 said:

1) I'm non-binary, is that something that doctors know about there? Would I still be allowed to transition?

Depends on the therapist/doctor. The best is to contact a local organization so they can recommend you a good one.

16 hours ago, Light02 said:

 

2) I want to go on low-dose T for a while and then stop, would they let me?

See above

16 hours ago, Light02 said:

3) What kind of options are there, as in, can you only inject T with a needle (like I've learned it is in my country) or is gel an option?

Gel is an option.

 

16 hours ago, Light02 said:

5) Who do I ask in order to start my transition? I assume an endocrinologist but I'm not sure. Is there such a thing as a gender therapist there?

 

6) What is the whole process like, do you need a letter from a psychologist, are there waiting lists, etc.?

 

7) What are the prices for testosterone and top surgery like? Would be nice if anyone knows the price for insurated and uninsured folks.

Do you move there for work or university? Then you can have the public health insurance. I can only answer for this not the private insurance plans.

 

You need a letter from a psycho therapist specialized in gender issues. The waiting times depend on the therapist but are usually some months to a year. It takes often some months after the first appointment to get the letter. With this letter you can go to an endo and apply at the health insurance for coverage of your HRT. The best is that you get help from a local organization with writing your application letter which should include a CV which shows how long you showed signs of being trans. Surgeries and hormones will be covered by the health insurance, but it is a struggle to get them approved and some surgeons might charge extra above what the insurance covers. I don't know how much and I don't know the prices if pay yourself.

 

In Germany you are required to get a health insurance.

 

Please keep in mind that this is second hand knowledge, as I am not going through the medical process yet, maybe later.

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Janus DarkFox

For my own transition, I plan on gender neutralisation first and see how I feel and either a dose of e either at the same time or later and see how I feel, which whatever is safest and satisfactory results.  This stage is a long terms one for me with an Endo specialising in Transition HRT.  The GIC stage is either bypassed due to the waiting times exceeding 5 years by which time the Gender Dysphoria Disorder lapses needing a new reassessment or I’m lucky to have several years of psychotherapy and a psych that has access to Gender psychiatry.  There I had to determine the gender difference is not considered a sexual fetish motivation or that the gender feelings is part of another mental or physical health conditions.  My recent bloods also determine how exactly the blood hormones are, which my screen for intersex conditions and other things like existing medical conditions that may rule out HRT in the first place.

 

My analogs are preferably oral and patches, patches are or appear to be the safest and slowest transmission of e if it is safe to do so.  The route would be to block t first then introduce e or both together, which ever is safest, there’s other hormones that could be tackled to produce a Agender/feminine outcome, whichever an endos determination on safety, there are I think 6 different oral medications that can tackle different hormones at once.  Again oral medications may be harmful to the stomach and liver, while injections are harmful to weak veins and arteries, whichever the endos determination is for the best.

 

Perhaps if I feel the why requiring surgery, that’s would be a GIC thing, at the moment I wouldn’t mind considering removing the testis once the area has shrunk and feels normal.  The last thing I need is more extreme surgeries for which I’ve already have had done in my youth the repair an intersex condition.

 

This is the UK Welsh NHS currently, options are limited if gender neutralisation is even regonised.

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Light02
3 hours ago, Bloc said:

Do you move there for work or university? Then you can have the public health insurance.

I'm quitting university and I'm going to Germany to work and live there. When it comes to insurance, I have a friend who's girlfriend is German and she says that you can only get public health insurance if you've been a German citizen for 8 years. I don't know if that's true, that's just what she told me.

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Bloc

What I know is that you are automatically in the public health insurance if you are employed and don't earn more than a limit. You can only choose the public insurer. Here a trans organization may help you to get one which is less hassle with getting treatments approved.

 

What she means is probably social security ("Hartz 4") and unemployment insurance. For which you need to live and work some time in Germany to be eligible.

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Andrea KF

Got to talk with a social worker (if that's the right term? It's Kurator in Swedish) today about my gender identity. She will send a request for treatment to a special team of doctors and psychologists.

 

It was quite a nice chat for about half an hour. She asked a few questions about depression, angst and so on but also explained why she asked (If I'm severly depressed, they may treat my case as urgent).

 

I was met with respect. I casually mentioned my asexuality when asked if I lived in any relationship.

She had a degree in Social Services and mentioned that asexuality is being taught nowadays, along with other forms attractions one might encounter when meeting patients.

This was appearently not true just a few years ago.

 

 

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Celyn

https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/OSRI/

This is an interesting "masculinity/femininity" test because it comes from a place of encouraging both in everyone, which fills my lil enby heart with joy.

KfGmM1N.jpg

 

Yep, that's my gender.

 

(Though some of the questions were weird. What does drying in or out of the shower have to do with gender? I always step out first, there's not enough room to do it in the shower. Right? Am I missing some secret shower routine knowledge?)

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Custard Cream
30 minutes ago, Celyn said:

https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/OSRI/

This is an interesting "masculinity/femininity" test because it comes from a place of encouraging both in everyone, which fills my lil enby heart with joy.

KfGmM1N.jpg

 

Yep, that's my gender.

 

(Though some of the questions were weird. What does drying in or out of the shower have to do with gender? I always step out first, there's not enough room to do it in the shower. Right? Am I missing some secret shower routine knowledge?)

No. Surely that's normal? 

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LeChat

@Celyn Interesting test, although I'm unsure what the test makers consider to be different between "androgynous" and "undifferentiated." (My guess would be that, perhaps, "undifferentiated" might be something similar to "agender.")

 

 

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These are the results from the Open Sex-Role Inventory.

The OSRI measures two scales. Scores are adjusted so the average is 100.

Masculinity 
 88
Femininity 
 83

Sandra Bem's theory was that both masculinity and femininity were good and the ideal was high levels of both, which she called androgyny. Your scores are graphed below according to her typology.

OSRIi.php?M=88&F=83

 

 

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Andrea KF

Rather silly questions, but well, quite fun 😀

 

I'm

Masculinity: 91

Femininity: 93

 

"undifferentiated", whatever that means.

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Celyn

From what I've read, androgynous is a high level of both masculinity and feminity (i.e. you answered strong agree/strong disagree equally between masculine and feminine answers) whereas undifferentiated would be if you answered neutral to most questions.

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Custard Cream

Hmm that didn't help much...

 

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Karst

99- Masculine

108- Feminine

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Kimmie.

Presenting as a woman really helps my mental health, I just wish that everything that looks to be there actually was. That I did not need these prosthesis and padding. 

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ColeHW34

Some of the questions were fairly i dunno crude and biased more or less.

 

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DarkStormyKnight

Hmm I took the quiz too and it definitely is stereotyping genders/very leading. Also was surprised at how short it was!

Masculinity: 104

Femininity: 111

but graph shows me as androgynous so guess that's fun!

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Strange-quark

Heh did the quiz as well because, well I was bored.

Masculinity: 103

Femininity: 102

OSRIi.php?M=103&F=102

Agreed though that some most questions were weird.

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Celyn
4 hours ago, Strange-quark said:

Agreed though that some most questions were weird

Yeah they seemed either very stereotypical or have absolutely no connection to gender as far as I know...but then I don't understand gender so...

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