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Hello,

I am looking for some insight. First most people assume ( including school staff and other teens) that my daughter is gay. She however identifies as asexual. I am concerned about her, I accept that she is not interested in being 'intimate' with anyone, but are most asexual teens such loners? I thought at first this was a phase because of all the misconceptions and harassment through out school. She has been out of school for three years and she does not socialize at all. She has been through therapy and says she does not need to go back. She gets quite irritated at the advances of others, and I think that is part of the reason she avoids people. She is quite comfortable with children and the elderly but absolutely HATES being around other teens and young adults. Is there anything I should be doing here? Should I be trying to get her to go 'hang out' with her peer group, or should I just let it be.

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Hm, how old is she? I'm in high school, so I'd like to give your some vantage point from her point of view but I'd have to think about it some more first. I'm quite a loner myself, unless when with my awesomely nerdy group that saves me from half-day mental break-downs.

I think she'll just resent being encouraged to hang out with people. But no one can't talk for her. Remember, being introverted is not a disease.

Let me think about it some more.

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since teens and young adults are overly sexual and she is at the oppisite side of that pole she is not wanting to go hang out with her age group cuz for many things it will lead to the talk of sex which probably makes her uncomfortable. i know it does me. im 21 and i dont assosiate with people my own age and i wont because of that, and trust me when you tell someone your asexual, they are just like we just need to get you laid, and it becomes very annoying alot of people dont accept asexual as an orientation, it just a mid point till you have sex, it is an obvious misconception for alot of people. but just let her be maybe her being alone makes her happy, maybe that is what she wants. or maybe she just has found a group she is comfortable with hanging out with.

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I actually like being around younger kids and people older than myself as well. There is no pressure or feeling that you are being judged/assessed, that you get when around those your age. With kids, I can just play with them. With older people, I can have a decent and interesting conversation with them. With those my age, it's just...well most of the time it's okay, but there's either bound to be some talk I can't relate to that well (relationships, partying/drinking/clubbing, whether you like someone), or some form of awkward socialising, etc. With younger and older people, I don't have to worry about those things.

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Hm, how old is she? I'm in high school, so I'd like to give your some vantage point from her point of view but I'd have to think about it some more first. I'm quite a loner myself, unless when with my awesomely nerdy group that saves me from half-day mental break-downs.

I think she'll just resent being encouraged to hang out with people. But no one can't talk for her. Remember, being introverted is not a disease.

Let me think about it some more.

She just turned 19. She had a very difficult time in school, as the school staff decided she had a gender identity disorder and labeled her a lesbian. I think except for a few family members I am the only person she has told. I know the few friends she did have in high school just assumed she was gay and she never bothered to tell them anything different. In fact for a long time I thought she was gay also and she never bothered to mention it. It was not until one of my sons friends girl friends developed a little crush on my daughter that my daughter bothered to clear up our misconceptions. And in hindsight it made sense because even she was gay she would have gone out on at least one date in the last 19 years, she doesn't date period.

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She just turned 19. She had a very difficult time in school, as the school staff decided she had a gender identity disorder and labeled her a lesbian. I think except for a few family members I am the only person she has told. I know the few friends she did have in high school just assumed she was gay and she never bothered to tell them anything different. In fact for a long time I thought she was gay also and she never bothered to mention it. It was not until one of my sons friends girl friends developed a little crush on my daughter that my daughter bothered to clear up our misconceptions. And in hindsight it made sense because even she was gay she would have gone out on at least one date in the last 19 years, she doesn't date period.

Had to do a double take there. I think gender identity disorder and being a lesbian are two very different unrelated things. Its a shame that the school staff felt they had a right to label her anything. I'm an asexual lesbian and I do not consider myself to have a gender identity disorder. But that is beside the point.

I didn't go on a date till I was in my 20's and at college. I was very introverted as a child and teenager. I had no clue I was asexual (it took me till the age of 47 on a long rocky road to figure that out), but I did not socialize much with my peers. I was a bit of a loner but I don't think it was harmful to me. I think your daughter should hang out with whoever she is comfortable with and that it won't harm her to not be around people her own age. My advice would be to just let it be.

Just curious, does your daughter know about AVEN?

Cathy

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She just turned 19. She had a very difficult time in school, as the school staff decided she had a gender identity disorder and labeled her a lesbian. I think except for a few family members I am the only person she has told. I know the few friends she did have in high school just assumed she was gay and she never bothered to tell them anything different. In fact for a long time I thought she was gay also and she never bothered to mention it. It was not until one of my sons friends girl friends developed a little crush on my daughter that my daughter bothered to clear up our misconceptions. And in hindsight it made sense because even she was gay she would have gone out on at least one date in the last 19 years, she doesn't date period.

Had to do a double take there. I think gender identity disorder and being a lesbian are two very different unrelated things. Its a shame that the school staff felt they had a right to label her anything. I'm an asexual lesbian and I do not consider myself to have a gender identity disorder. But that is beside the point.

I didn't go on a date till I was in my 20's and at college. I was very introverted as a child and teenager. I had no clue I was asexual (it took me till the age of 47 on a long rocky road to figure that out), but I did not socialize much with my peers. I was a bit of a loner but I don't think it was harmful to me. I think your daughter should hang out with whoever she is comfortable with and that it won't harm her to not be around people her own age. My advice would be to just let it be.

Just curious, does your daughter know about AVEN?

Cathy

I sent her a link I am not sure if she will join though

If she does I am sure she will respond here lol

Thank you all for your insight ...

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I recall having a similar behaviour in high school until I was labelled a lesbian. I was younger than your daughter and I didn't even know at first why I was being discriminated against - for months, no one in my class spoke to me at my all-girls school. I suppose this kind of extreme homophobic ostracization doesn't happen nowadays. Anyway, I changed the way I looked, pretended I got a boyfriend and pretended to be someone else. It was very damaging to have to do that, looking back, I would have preferred having no friends, changing school or anything else. I just wish people had let me be.

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Hello,

I am looking for some insight. First most people assume ( including school staff and other teens) that my daughter is gay. She however identifies as asexual. I am concerned about her, I accept that she is not interested in being 'intimate' with anyone, but are most asexual teens such loners? I thought at first this was a phase because of all the misconceptions and harassment through out school. She has been out of school for three years and she does not socialize at all. She has been through therapy and says she does not need to go back. She gets quite irritated at the advances of others, and I think that is part of the reason she avoids people. She is quite comfortable with children and the elderly but absolutely HATES being around other teens and young adults. Is there anything I should be doing here? Should I be trying to get her to go 'hang out' with her peer group, or should I just let it be.

If she's happy, I wouldn't suggest trying to change anything.

I avoided people because I didn't get along with them. A few I did, but most I didn't. And then most guys I befriended would try to date me, whcih made it harder. I wasn't unhappy, though, as long as she's happy- that's fine. If she's unhappy, find otu why and try to find out what tod o about it. Is it that she's getting trouble because people assume she's gay- that can happen. It sounds like it's an unaccepting school if they assume transpeople are closeted gay people.

But there's nor eason to try and force her to be social- it doesn't really help. Let her do things in her own time. Pushing her to come out of her shell might make her pull in further.

She just turned 19. She had a very difficult time in school, as the school staff decided she had a gender identity disorder and labeled her a lesbian. I think except for a few family members I am the only person she has told. I know the few friends she did have in high school just assumed she was gay and she never bothered to tell them anything different. In fact for a long time I thought she was gay also and she never bothered to mention it. It was not until one of my sons friends girl friends developed a little crush on my daughter that my daughter bothered to clear up our misconceptions. And in hindsight it made sense because even she was gay she would have gone out on at least one date in the last 19 years, she doesn't date period.

Had to do a double take there. I think gender identity disorder and being a lesbian are two very different unrelated things. Its a shame that the school staff felt they had a right to label her anything. I'm an asexual lesbian and I do not consider myself to have a gender identity disorder. But that is beside the point.

Actually, I think it is the point. That's a really unaccepting thing for the school to say- and I think that might be a source of some of her loner-status. Before highschool, I got teased a lot because I didn't fit in- as such, I didn't have many good friends (and didn't until college), and it took me a long time to be willing to be more social, even though highschool was a lot better.

If everyone at school thinks she's gay- that can lead to social problems, and being asexual can as well because you don't fit into the hormone-driven culture that crops up in highschool, and at her school there might be a reason for her refusing to hang out wiht her own agre group.

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If she is not working or going to school at the moment, there are several possibilities for socialization that doesn't threaten her: volunteering (or even working) at childrens' centers or day programs for elderly people. They always are looking for good people who care about their clients. She would also have a little contact with various-age adults, but she wouldn't be there to do that so there would be no pressure. She could even eventually want to get more schooling in either gerontology or early children issues. Good luck.

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Had to do a double take there. I think gender identity disorder and being a lesbian are two very different unrelated things. Its a shame that the school staff felt they had a right to label her anything. I'm an asexual lesbian and I do not consider myself to have a gender identity disorder. But that is beside the point.

Actually, I think it is the point. That's a really unaccepting thing for the school to say- and I think that might be a source of some of her loner-status. Before highschool, I got teased a lot because I didn't fit in- as such, I didn't have many good friends (and didn't until college), and it took me a long time to be willing to be more social, even though highschool was a lot better.

If everyone at school thinks she's gay- that can lead to social problems, and being asexual can as well because you don't fit into the hormone-driven culture that crops up in highschool, and at her school there might be a reason for her refusing to hang out wiht her own agre group.

Just FYI, I meant that it was beside the point that I had a quibble with "being a lesbian" compared to "having a gender identity disorder" not that the school labeling her as a lesbian was beside the point.

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Welcome to Aven :cake:

Personally, I think if you don't see any obvious signs of depression or other red flags, I say let her be. Coming to terms with being asexual in a world that is anything but can be very jarring and tumultuous; and in her age group acceptance is not always terribly forthcoming, in fact any age group considering what little most people are aware of asexuality. It doesn't happen in a day or even a week. I think for myself it probably took upwards of 4 or even 5 years to really be comfortable enough with who I am that facing the world no longer drained me.

Just continue to be her mom, she'll find her niche :D

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Hello,

I am looking for some insight. First most people assume ( including school staff and other teens) that my daughter is gay. She however identifies as asexual. I am concerned about her, I accept that she is not interested in being 'intimate' with anyone, but are most asexual teens such loners? I thought at first this was a phase because of all the misconceptions and harassment through out school. She has been out of school for three years and she does not socialize at all. She has been through therapy and says she does not need to go back. She gets quite irritated at the advances of others, and I think that is part of the reason she avoids people. She is quite comfortable with children and the elderly but absolutely HATES being around other teens and young adults. Is there anything I should be doing here? Should I be trying to get her to go 'hang out' with her peer group, or should I just let it be.

You shouldn't push her to go out with people their age. Maybe she is an individualist and prefers to be alone. Maybe she's more mature than her peers, maybe she doesn't want to smoke and drink alcohol and participate in discos. She is not the only one who's like that, and it doesn't have much to do with her orientation. Probably when she gets older, she will find friends of her age, since they will become more mature by time going. You have nothing to worry about and sending her to therapist is completely unnecessary.

It would be nice if your daughter joined AVEN :)

Cheers :)

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Just FYI, I meant that it was beside the point that I had a quibble with "being a lesbian" compared to "having a gender identity disorder" not that the school labeling her as a lesbian was beside the point.

I think both labels were wrong. She is perfectly fine with being a female, she does not desire to be a male or want to act like a male. She is a very 'outdoorsy' type and is not that interested in dressing up, does not like makeup etc but she is perfectly comfortable as a female. She just isn't attracted to men, but she is not attracted to females either.

After reading some of the responses here I think I am beginning to understand. She will let those around her think she is gay as it is a a way to avoid having to discuss her sexuality. From what I read of the responses I could see her choosing to avoid a discussion where she has to try to explain her personal choices to someone who assume it is some sort of 'default' until she makes up her mind. She knows what she feels and it is not a 'default' she simply is not interested in dating and sexuality. At this moment in her life she is very clear about the fact that she does not want to be in a relationship she does not want to ever get married, and have children etc.

She spends so much of her time alone, though she doesn't express it I am concerned that she is lonely. I thought maybe I should be trying to get her to go out and do things with her peer group like go to a movie or the mall or something once in a while. Thank you all for your insight after reading your post I think I understand now why she chooses to avoid such interactions.

Thank you also for the suggestion about volunteering I think that is a good idea and will suggest it to her and she how she responds.

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First of all: a big hello to you! I think it's wonderful that you are so understanding of your daughter!

What does your daughter tend to do when she is by herself? She may be socialising in another manner; that is to say she may be using fora just like this one, or perhaps she is online gaming? It isn't the traditional way in which to socialise, but that is pretty much how I brought myself up (and I think I'm okay!). I think your daughter might quite like this place. :)

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First of all: a big hello to you! I think it's wonderful that you are so understanding of your daughter!

What does your daughter tend to do when she is by herself? She may be socialising in another manner; that is to say she may be using fora just like this one, or perhaps she is online gaming? It isn't the traditional way in which to socialise, but that is pretty much how I brought myself up (and I think I'm okay!). I think your daughter might quite like this place. :)

She loves to read, she also draws, and writes short stories, and of course video games. I sent her the link I do hope she signs up here.

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Hello, but are most asexual teens such loners? She is quite comfortable with children and the elderly but absolutely HATES being around other teens and young adults. Is there anything I should be doing here? Should I be trying to get her to go 'hang out' with her peer group, or should I just let it be.

Firstly welcome

Asexuals tend to be quite deep and as such quite intelligent and thinkers. This is sometimes interpreted as loner. For some also of a higher intellect they have like me an intolerance of the unesscessary and as such people who appear fake and futile get on your nerves and this group largely tends to be image concious and shallow teenagers(although I know some are not but most are)

children speak with an honesty, where as most people do not and the older people tend to have gone through many of lifes stages and your daughter clearly feels comfortable with these groups

what should you be doing? be her mum, her support, always keep an open mind and be there to keep a two way discussion open. You've shown by coming here you already understand that she is different but being different isn't bad..it's just different.

How many mums would be glad to say...my daughter willl not have a teen pregnancy..sti..boyfriends staying over etc etc and bizzare as it may sound if she had disclosed she was gay more people would have accepted that than being an Asexual..and they call us weird??? lol

be the person you are so she can be the person she is and once again..welcome

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First of all: a big hello to you! I think it's wonderful that you are so understanding of your daughter!

This. I've been on AVEN for over a year now, and though i don't post much, i do read much of what goes on, and i can't say i remember seeing a parent here at all, let alone such an accepting one.

I hope your daughter joins, and that she'll make some friends here if she does.

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It sounds like you've gotten the feedback you need, but I just wanted to say I really appreciate your response to the situation. While a lot of parents disregard their children's self-identification and think they're just "confused" or "in denial," you seem to actually listen to your daughter and respect what she says about herself. And, like another poster said, just the fact that you came to AVEN to seek advice is a good sign. I think if more parents responded with as much understanding and respect as you have, there would be a lot more asexuals who feel comfortable with themselves and unashamed of their identities. :)

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I'm 44 now. I'm asexual & think my own mother is, also. She is constantly saying things like, "I don't understand why all these crazy people are always running around having all this sex. Why can't they just read a book?" I tried to explain to her (she's 73) about asexuality, and that it might run in families, and still, like me, she seems to feel that everyone else is just crazy and that we're the only normal ones...

Anyway... when I was a kid, I was alone a lot, but I'm more outgoing now. I didn't really know about asexuality, no one knew about it then, and they still don't know about it now, unfortunately. They just slap the "gay" label on each & every kid that's a little different.

It's a little scary to be an asexual young person and be surrounded by oversexed teenagers, who are constantly obsessed about foolish things like their hair and if this boy likes them or not and not be interested in that useless crap yourself. You rather read interesting stuff about history or science and all the other kids do is giggle and wiggle and make squeeky noises all day long. It's annoying and you just can't understand what their problem is.

Well... this is what happened to me. My classmates got pregnant, or did drugs and then got pregnant, and never made it to college. Three guys asked me to marry them (one was abusive, and tried to force me to marry him, by saying he would shoot me if I did not marry him). I said no to all three marriage proposals. I worked and went nights to college, kept going to college and ended up with three college degrees, dean's list, too, because when you're not chasing the whole entire football team, you end up studying.

I like to write too, & had some stories in literary magazines, but I'm not famous & never made much money. Oh well. I write for the love of writing.

I have a good job, own a house, have a nice car, can travel on vacation a few times a year, have nice clothes, and in general, a damn good life, without the husband society keeps trying to force intelligent, independent women, like me, to have. I do well at my job because my mind can focus on work instead of the delivery boy's butt, which is said to be "cute" -- whatever the hell "cute" is... ?

My married friends are always telling me they pity me. They need to shut the f--- up and get a damn life and grow up. They can go home and change diapers and cook dinner....

... I'm going to Europe instead.

Maybe some day, your shy daughter will find things that interest her, and take her talents to a good college, and have a good job, and maybe she'll travel to Europe on vacation, and have a good life too.

The trick though is yah gotta study, and work hard on the job to do well on the job. Then you are all set! It's easy to get lazy and just surf the web when you ought to be studying. She will need to study hard to get a good education, because she'll need to be self-supporting and financially independent, like me.

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My married friends are always telling me they pity me.

Normally means they envy your freedom but havn't got the balls to say thier life is shit

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Actually... I sometimes wonder if they just see too darn many ridiculous soap operas where the single woman in the neighborhood is always stealing everyone else's man, so they see a threat, and have to neutralize the threat, and make me get married and fix me up with some Mr. Wonderful that they find for me, so then I won't be this scary cougar-woman lurking around the corner to pounce on their poor helpless husbands...

That's my theory.

You see, they don't know the term asexuality, and so therefore, any single, financially independent woman is either gay, or an evil Jezebel. And since I wear makeup, I must be the evil Jezebel, right?

Enlightenment about this particular subject matter has not reached the suburbs yet.

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P.S. More advice on having an asexual daughter, from a grown up person's point of view:

She'll need to know about financial stuff, because chances are, she might be single for her life, and most women just let their husband handle the money. She'll need to know how to save and know about IRA's & CD's and planning for the future. I have an extra part time job, which funds the IRA's I buy each year (they take that IRA off your income taxes each year, by the way). I buy an IRA each year for the future, since I won't have a husband's pension when I'm old.

She'll need to learn to take care of her own car, change a tire, check the oil, basic car care stuff. Helpful hint: a hydraulic jack & a larger sized lug wrench are easier for a smaller person to use. Get a hydraulic floor jack & decent lug wrench at Walmart for when she has her own car. They aren't that expensive. The ones GM puts in the trunk with the spare really don't work too well and can be a pain in the neck to use. Some vocational schools have basic car care classes at night, which are helpful for single women.

It might be a good idea for her to take a self defense class like "R.A.D." (look it up) because she won't have the traditional boyfriend protecting her all the time.

Talk to her and convey the message that she will need to choose a career that pays enough for her to support herself.

She'll need to plan for the future. Most women even today, unfortunately, plan for the future by bagging a rich husband. And this is how a lot of mothers bring their daughters up, "Find someone who has a good job, dear, then you won't need to work." If your daugther is "A" -- then that might not be a good plan for her!

Hope this helps.

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I'm 44 now. I'm asexual...I have a...damn good life, without the husband society keeps trying to force intelligent, independent women, like me, to have. I do well at my job because my mind can focus on work instead of the delivery boy's butt, which is said to be "cute" -- whatever the hell "cute" is... ?

My married friends are always telling me they pity me. They need to shut the f--- up and get a damn life and grow up. They can go home and change diapers and cook dinner....

... I'm going to Europe instead.

Off topic but: I won't quote that entire post but I'm highly tempted to print it out, frame it and hang it on my wall. You are my hero! :cake:

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P.S. More advice on having an asexual daughter, from a grown up person's point of view:

She'll need to know about financial stuff, because chances are, she might be single for her life, and most women just let their husband handle the money. She'll need to know how to save and know about IRA's & CD's and planning for the future. I have an extra part time job, which funds the IRA's I buy each year (they take that IRA off your income taxes each year, by the way). I buy an IRA each year for the future, since I won't have a husband's pension when I'm old.

They do? *Thinks* I suppose it's what might be called Traditional... Hmm, that never struck me.

I'm useless with all that finance stuff and my mum doesn't let my dad anywhere near it.

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Fix -- go ahead, print it. Frame it too, if you like!

RE: They do? Yes, they take that IRA off your income taxes each year, by the way... Yes, they do, and if you buy an IRA before you send in your taxes to the IRS, you might even get a bigger refund, too. Buy the IRA at the back before doing your taxes, tell the person at the bank it's for Tax Year ---- (the one you're filing), subract the amount of the IRA on your tax return. You can have an IRA up to $4,000 to subtract on the form you fill out, but that might change.

(This is refering to "traditional" bank type IRA's, not the kind that are involved with the stock market. The ones from a regular bank are supposed to be safer. They get lousy interest, but they will be there for you when you retire.)

The government wants to encourage people to buy at least one IRA each year, and they accumulate over time. Then when you're 70 and over, you get paperwork instructing you to take the IRA's which have matured out of the bank and use them in addition to your social security. I believe you "have to" take the IRA's out, or something like that, when you retire.

(Probably they don't do stuff the same way in the U.K. though... )

I am broadcasting this info. because a lot of people still don't know to buy an IRA before filing taxes.

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Aww, that stinks. It really annoys me how ignorant people can be. I really wish I could help but I don't know what to say :[ Do you know if she's ok about letting others know about her asexuality? It might help clear things up, but it could also just as easily go the other way. Maybe if she even just lets the staff know since kids could be harsh on anything. I think it would be a great thing if she became a member of AVEN. The people here would understand.

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They need to shut the f--- up and get a damn life and grow up. They can go home and change diapers and cook dinner....
She'll need to know about financial stuff, because chances are, she might be single for her life, and most women just let their husband handle the money. She'll need to learn to take care of her own car, change a tire, check the oil, basic car care stuff. It might be a good idea for her to take a self defense class like "R.A.D." (look it up) because she won't have the traditional boyfriend protecting her all the time.

Thylacine- can you lay off marriage, children, and married women for FIVE seconds? Yes- your peers suck, but I've already said what I'm going to say on that. Some people like being parents, and find that fulfilling. When me and my spouse have kids, I'll want to stay home with them if I could. Do I need to get a life and grow up? Yeah, everyone who chooses their own path and knows what they want to do in life needs to "grow up" and "get a life" because it doesn't fit into your view of the world. And Europe? Yeah, I've been there several times- no interest. I'd rather save my money and time for something I actually want, not something that everyone acts like is so great.

ALL PEOPLE need to know that. They need to know how to manage money, how to protect themselves, everything, because wanna know something? Even if you're ina relationship- your partner might not be an adept fighter. And they're certainly not going to be attached to you at the hip, so you can still get in trouble. And relying on anyone else to deal with your money is a bad idea- it's why I don't trust accountants, even though the majority seems to. That's not something only asexuals need to know, that's not something only women need to know- and that's not something that all men know, either.

Sorry about htat, SouthernMother.

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I'll "lay off marriage" when people around me lay off me for not being married. If I had a nickel for each & every freakin time some crazy biddy said, "Oh, but you need to be married, you need someone to take care of you, you poor dear!" I'd be as rich as Bill Gates... I need to round them all up to take them to a muffler shop so they'll all be quiet.

Some ladies at my church are praying for me, they said, "We're going to pray for you, that you'll find a man." Puke.

They're so obnoxious and they don't even know it.

And it bothers me when other people try to control my life, and make my decisions for me.

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She spends so much of her time alone, though she doesn't express it I am concerned that she is lonely. I thought maybe I should be trying to get her to go out and do things with her peer group like go to a movie or the mall or something once in a while. Thank you all for your insight after reading your post I think I understand now why she chooses to avoid such interactions.

If she doesn't express it- she probably isn't. I'm extremely introverted, I can deal with people in small doses and enjoy bit sof social interactionw hen I choose- but that's it. I've never been lonely no matter how much I've been alone. In fact, I'm much more lonely around people because I rarely fit in. If your daughter is like that- then she's not unhappy. One of the things that annoys me is the assumption that people need to socialize to be happy. I really don't, and trying to force it on me wouldnt' help.

You should sitll encourage her to find something to do with other people, she might find something she enjoys even if she's not a big fan of socializing, but if she says she's happier on her own, then she really might be and I wouldn't worry about that too much unless she seems unhappy.

She loves to read, she also draws, and writes short stories, and of course video games. I sent her the link I do hope she signs up here.

Some video games are multi-player, or you can interact wiht people online. Is there a chance you can get her interested in some of those?

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