'Obamaphobia'?

[Vampireseal]

I'm tend towards libertarianism, and I don't have a problem with national IDs, especially having been a victim of identity theft.

I wouldn't mind chipping potentially violent criminals, but having everyone chipped would be a waste of money and unnecessary. As far as ID, just a photo and contact number should be all that's required to use a credit card, write a check, etc. Really, so long as you are not a criminal, national IDs should not be a problem. I'm not a criminal, nor do I anticipate being one, so it does not bother me. A nation, *should* have a reasonable method of keeping some basic track of its citizens. However, only the basic info of that citizen, namely general appearance (you don't actually need to list ethnicity), age, and name need be known. Your library account, computer accounts, etc. are no one's business.

I'm actually more concerned about all the credit checks that are being done nowadays, especially for things like getting a job. What does your credit score have to do with your work? Over the years, credit reports have become more and more necessary to do basic things--get an apartment, home, etc. Even cell phone companies want credit reports--what the hell? If I don't pay my bill, cancel my service! <_<

[Sally]

Ever notice that his intituals are B.O. makes seance because he stinks at his job. LOL!!!!!

That's gotta be the silliest, most infantile comment I've ever heard about a politician.

And the word is "sense."

[niku-bot]

It's like the comment "George W. Bush! The W stands for war!!" but even more juvenile.

[Eddie7]

I love how stupidly low the discourse in US politics can go.

[jmerry]

It's like the comment "George W. Bush! The W stands for war!!" but even more juvenile.

If you want to be juvenile about it... George Wanker Bush. I've seen a reference to that as a bit of Wikipedia vandalism, from a British source.

Even cell phone companies want credit reports--what the hell? If I don't pay my bill, cancel my service!

Well, a lot of them are offering discounted phones attached to a contract for a substantial amount of time. That's effectively loaning you money, for which a credit check makes some sense. If you own the phone up front with no long-term service contracts, there shouldn't be a credit check involved. Now, getting a job? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Næt.]

I love how stupidly low the discourse in US politics can go.

What are you a Liberal?

Goddam Liberal Socialist?

Goddamn Liberal Socialist Fascist!?

[Eddie7]

Oh be quiet you gay hatin', gun-totin' redneck.

[Guest (?)]

Has Virgil Lee Griffin just walked in ?..oops he's dead

[Shadow girl]

Ever notice that his intituals are B.O. makes sense because he stinks at his job. LOL!!!!!

That's gotta be the silliest, most infantile comment I've ever heard about a politician.

And the word is "sense."

I stand corrected on the misspelling and will fix it.

But really come on have a sense of humor that is class A comedy right there I'll bet Dennis Miller will be all over.

[Eddie7]

If Dennis Miller is all over something, it's certainly not class A.

[Sally]

If Dennis Miller is all over something, it's certainly not class A.

Even Dennis Millers' humor is above that "B.O." comment. Just barely, though.

[Asterion Orestes]

But the point is that in the US, there is already a national ID. Everyone must have a Social Security card from birth.

Not a national ID &, it seems, all too easily faked. (FWIW I didn't get get a Socialist Insecurity number till I was 21.)

The funny thing is, those same Republicans making fun of Obama and holding parties (whose name reminds one vaguely of obscene sexual acts) - were the same Republicans that used to scream "TREASON!!!" at Democrats for showing any sign of dissent with the policies of their darling Bush.

Somehow I don't think so, though maybe you know of examples. I do recall that the 'Crats in those days were often spouting--in response to some challenge--"Are you questioning my patriotism?!" even when no one was. And there were those in/near the GOP who didn't think Bush was such a darling.

One problem with yelling "Treason!" is that the accuser often shows little evidence of familiarity with the official (US) definition: Levying war against the United States or adhering to their enemies. Thus with a poster I remember from a few years ago (elsewhere) gleefully proclaiming a desire to see Bush buddy K. Rove executed for treason because he supposedly outed a CIA desk jockey.

The inspiration for the "tea parties" dates from 1773, & as for the sexual innuendo, I'll leave that to the sexuals. The casual observer might think they were strictly Republican affairs, but a closer look reveals a good deal of disgust among conservatives with the party's recent conduct.

Today it may be "Obamaphobia"; yesterday it was Bush Derangement Syndrome, as documented early in this video.

[Guest (?)]

Ever notice that his intituals are B.O. makes sense because he stinks at his job. LOL!!!!!

That's gotta be the silliest, most infantile comment I've ever heard about a politician.

And the word is "sense."

I stand corrected on the misspelling and will fix it.

But really come on have a sense of humor that is class A comedy right there I'll bet Dennis Miller will be all over.

Shadow..do not assume Asexuals and humour have a genetic link, surely by now you've sussed that

[Baby]

I didn't follow too much of the history of this political decision, but I Googled around (as you suggested) to refresh my memory and gain an understanding of what exactly the issue is. Taken from this website:

"Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."

It seems like Obama has been caught by the descenting opinion for trying to maintain abortion laws and women's rights to terminate a fetus, and was acting in accordance to trying to keep abortion rights in law, not under the want to kill children. There's the tendency for many to equate those who agree with abortion rights as wanting to kill babies/children/whatever, and I would consider that wrong. That's why it is uncharitable from an ethical standpoint to call those from the anti-abortion position "Pro-Life", as if the opposing side would then be "Pro-Death", which is not true. It seems to come down to definition of what it is to be an "infant" - from conception, or from viability, and so on. Furthermore:

"[T]there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony."

Your claim for Obama as a "baby killer" doesn't seem to be too strong, and seems to rely upon what position and conviction you come from with regards to the matter of abortion - whether you are pro-choice or anti-abortion - which is going to fundamentally shape how you view Obama as a person.

Your second claim for fascism and communism has already been debunked. Anyways, thanks for providing an example of exactly what I said - that people will go to claims of the extremes, whatever extremes they may be (fascist, communist, baby killer, dog hater, nose picker, etc.) in order to de-legitimate a person's position. It's not just about whether you agree to it, but how you approach these issues from your own convictions as well as whether you are out to try to use whatever information necessary to try to prove a person wrong according to those convictions. They're irrational because they are extreme exaggerations - rather than saying Obama defends abortion rights, he becomes a "baby killer", rather than him being more left-leaning than the past president, he becomes "socialist" or "communist", and so on. It's about the language used and its purpose.

I have no words to describe what it means to "abort" babies who have already been born. If you truly haven't noticed the red flags in your misleading website, check for other websites for some real details.

Regarding fascism/communism/socialism/Nazism - they're all but different packages for the exact same thing. This time it appears that we're facing neither packages but something much worse and definitely unprecedented in history.

It's not at all about Obama the front man - it's about our life and liberty in what is quickly turning to be the land of the slaves and the home of the cowards. We're literally marching towards our own destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDw1Za8F-I...player_embedded

[Guest (?)]

Politicians only do what we allow..sometimes the voters or lack of them must take some responsibility

[Shadow girl]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Note: There has be a misunderstanding with this comment.

It means he'll get all the more popular because of the way he struts his stuff already. Not racist.

I am sorry if it came across as that.

I would erase it if I could.

[Eddie7]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Woo, casual racism ftw!

[Næt.]

Obe sounds more like a soul singer to me. Srsly, that voice. He could totally be the next Barry White.

. I'm not familiar with Limbaugh; is this standard fare?

[Shadow girl]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Woo, casual racism ftw!

Its just a joke not racism.

[niku-bot]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Thank you for your blatant racism. And yes, it's racism. How does making it a joke excuse that?

[Eddie7]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Woo, casual racism ftw!

Its just a joke not racism.

Very much debatable.

You're making a "joke" based on nothing to do with the way he actually acts, what he does, or anything even vaguely related to his political views.

It's purely based on the fact that he's a black man. Nothing more.

[Shadow girl]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Woo, casual racism ftw!

Its just a joke not racism.

Very much debatable.

You're making a "joke" based on nothing to do with the way he actually acts, what he does, or anything even vaguely related to his political views.

It's purely based on the fact that he's a black man. Nothing more.

Hey us white people can rap too not just black. I'm no racist my friend (whom many are black) can confirm that.

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Thank you for your blatant racism. And yes, it's racism. How does making it a joke excuse that?

Because it was a joke.

[Eddie7]

If it's not based on him being black, where did the original comment of him growing an afro and rapping in speeches come from exactly?

[Shadow girl]

If it's not based on him being black, where did the original comment of him growing an afro and rapping in speeches come from exactly?

Well you know how popular rappers are in America?

I'm just saying if he does that his popularity will go out the roof.

[niku-bot]

Next thing you know hes going to grow an afro and start rapping his speeches.

Thank you for your blatant racism. And yes, it's racism. How does making it a joke excuse that?

Because it was a joke.

And how does a joke excuse itself of racial stereotyping? It's like "whities can't rap or dance." It's an untrue stereotype set out to be funny while still being racist.

[Eddie7]

If it's not based on him being black, where did the original comment of him growing an afro and rapping in speeches come from exactly?

Well you know how popular rappers are in America?

I'm just saying if he does that his popularity will go out the roof.

Bullshit.

[Næt.]

That doesn't explain the afro.

[niku-bot]

And what about him growing an afro? No popular rapper has an afro.

[Shadow girl]

If it's not based on him being black, where did the original comment of him growing an afro and rapping in speeches come from exactly?

Well you know how popular rappers are in America?

I'm just saying if he does that his popularity will go out the roof.

Bullshit.

Hey if you want to take that the wrong way there's nothing I can do to stop you.

And what about him growing an afro? No popular rapper has an afro.

Have you ever seen a president with one?

[Eddie7]

I find it rather unlikely many people would take it any other way.