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People in my church say he's going to arrest Christians & conservatives & put them in camps. Anyone who voted for Obama is a Judas, because he is in fact a "communist."

(I don't say these things, certain other people whom I shall not identify said these things, because they will burn down my house if they think I voted for a democrat instead of a republican, because God is against the democrats, because the democrats are all feminists and communists and liberals and-and-and... etc.)

Seriously thylacine, you need to move :)

That's what I did! I'm sure the good folks in Aiken, SC are saying those same things right now. Trust me.

Actually, while the Obamaphobia can be quite idiotic in its own right, by that same token, Obamaphilia creeps me out just as much. I have never cared for the heroization of politicians. Obama is new to this president gig--I always say "wait and see" before passing any judgements. So far he seems to be a fairly decent guy, not a complete fool like W. Still, it'll be a little while before we can tell if his economic plans are any good or a complete failure.

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The Obama merchandise is rather creepy. Bobble heads, calenders, I swear I've seen an Obama-dildo.

Dude, I can't wait until I'm president. African-Mexican Pagan transdude who's also panromantic but rarely sexual.

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I don't have a problem with people scrutinizing his policy, but often people resort to completely irrational claims and attacks in order to undermine them entirely, or take issue with policy in a way that draws attention to things that are unrelated. Bringing up race, religion, claims of socialism or communism or the fact that he follows the "liberal" political ideology, that he endorses "killing children", etc. are over-exaggerations and distract from the actual policy, issues at hand, and his own merits. It gets to the point where people don't even consider his opinions or the policy that is being shaped in office, but are rather too focused on trying to bring him down. It's petty and ultimately not beneficial for everyone. Do these people who are against Obama dislike the policy because they see the flaws in it, or do they dislike it only because of the person and his supposed traits (Muslim, anti-christ, and so on) who drafted the policy?

It annoys me how politics turns otherwise level-headed people into morons. I have a friend in the States who, during the election period, called me up and went on a rant about how Obama is Muslim and is trying to bring down the Christians, yadda yadda. I don't know what propaganda she was listening to, but it becomes difficult to take someone seriously after that.

Everyone loves Obama the public speaker and his pleasant traits, but increasing numbers of people are becoming deeply concerned about his policies.

None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obaminations of the sort or not.

Simply Google the issues you wish to learn more about, research them and make your personal decisions.

Then you can share your views with your cool friend in the USSA.

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The Obama merchandise is rather creepy. Bobble heads, calenders, I swear I've seen an Obama-dildo.

I see your Obama dildo, and raise you Bush Snr and Bush Jnr butt-plugs, nyah.

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Everyone loves Obama the public speaker and his pleasant traits, but increasing numbers of people are becoming deeply concerned about his policies.

None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obaminations of the sort or not.

Simply Google the issues you wish to learn more about, research them and make your personal decisions.

Then you can share your views with your cool friend in the USSA [taken to imply that Obe is a Communist].

Politics fail.

And anyway, so what if Obama is a communist? He won't be able to turn the US into a communist country by virtue of his being president.

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its always strange to read attacks and false claims on a president or any politician for that matter .. why does it always boil down to the personal?

surely all this doesn't come from the one man, i mean he talks with people, right? and he has .. whats the word .. staff? i mean, these people work, right? or do they just sleep through the whole term.

shout down the man for his policies, shout down his administration for the crappy job they do of running a country or saving it or whatever.

what difference does it make who he is or what he is or what he bloody believes? its bleedin' relentless ... and distracting, but perhaps thats the point.

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I feel he's been very clever at the momment

Bush's policies and lack standards have left him with a right pile of poo to deal with so he's doing a lot of uncomfortable decisions whilst he's in his honeymoon period.

I have a fear many are trying to undermine him just to say "see..told you a black man couldn't do it" For me as much as old wubblu made me giggle, Obamma seems to be a man of content and diplomacy rather than a gun totting trigger happy idiot.

It's to early to say he's pant's but I continue to watch with interest

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None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obamanations of the sort or not.

GAH HA HA HA HA!

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Sorry.

In other news, I don't get it. Is Obama a Nazi or a Communist?

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None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obamanations of the sort or not.

GAH HA HA HA HA!

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Sorry.

In other news, I don't get it. Is Obama a Nazi or a Communist?

Ugh, I've heard "obamanation" so much I'm starting to wonder if someone thought they were actually being clever.

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Reasoned Madness

I thoroughly ignore the world until people start talking about it, and when people start talking about it, I go to sources outside the US to find out about the US. Sad really. Anywho, they are trying to come up with all these things to take down Obamma, and well let them go on their marry way. In the end it will be Obamma who will take himself down IF he is guilty for the crimes they are trying to push on him. I have no fear for him at all, if he was as bad as they say he is don't you think our government, who knows everything about everyone despite the whole privacy laws/acts say, would have had him disappear off the ballets. Even if that were not true, one step into communism, one step into socialism, one step into some stupid notion these people claim about him, would have him impeached 5.2 seconds flat. I do not fear a person who can be taken down so easily.

~the Voice~

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Honestly, what is all the hate for Obe about? There are some srsly wacky claims knocking around; he's the anti-christ, he's a muslim, he'll institute a 'black empire'. He's a fascist, he's a socialist, he has a baby-killing agenda.You get the idea.WTF?
None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obamanations of the sort or not.

GAH HA HA HA HA!..Sorry.In other news, I don't get it. Is Obama a Nazi or a Communist?

personally so far I think he's okay

now why don't some of you leave the antichrist muslim black power facist socialist baby killing nazi communist alone ?

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I was being sarcastic, incidentally.

It was a lead question into a deeper discussion.

Little known fact, possible because of some illuminati conspiracy, is that Hitler was "Christian" (inverted commas to prevent me being targeted), and therefore, it was the religion of nazism. If Obama is a Nazi, he must therefore also be "Christian".

On the other hand, Communism generally doesn't acknowledge religions. Therefore, Obama wouldn't be a Muslim either.

That's not even mentioning that Communist Russia viciously opposed Nazi Germany in WWII and, I think, basically won the war. Even if the Allies had managed it without the Red Army, the damage would have been a whole lot worse.

As for Fascist itself. I quote directly from the first paragraph on Wikipedia's articles:

Fascism opposes class conflict and blames capitalist liberal democracies for creating class conflict and in turn blames communists for exploiting class conflict

As you can plainly see, Fascism and Communism are too seperate entities that actually oppose each other.

The whole argument is riddled with hypocrisy.

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The only socialist thing about obama is the fact he's centre right... (That's probably officially classed as socialism in America)

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What's wrong with being Muslim? Or socialist? Isn't most of Europe at least partly socialist?

Not particularly. UK all three main parties are on the neo-liberalist side of the scale. None of them are particularly socialist.

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Indeed. The last week or so has actually been pretty alarming.

Fox actually seems to be somehow positioning itself as the figurehead of "the revolution".

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There is a video of the mass tax protests, and several signs were quite worrying. There was 'BITTER ARROGANT AMERICAN' and 'RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST'.

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The only thing about obama is the fact he's centre right... (That's probably officially classed as socialism in America)

I told him a thousand times not to wear tight trousers

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Everyone loves Obama the public speaker and his pleasant traits, but increasing numbers of people are becoming deeply concerned about his policies.

None of those claims are "irrational" or untrue - the only question is if you agree to infanticide, fascism and many other obaminations of the sort or not.

Simply Google the issues you wish to learn more about, research them and make your personal decisions.

Then you can share your views with your cool friend in the USSA.

I didn't follow too much of the history of this political decision, but I Googled around (as you suggested) to refresh my memory and gain an understanding of what exactly the issue is. Taken from this website:

"Whether opposing "born alive" legislation is the same as supporting "infanticide," however, is entirely a matter of interpretation. That could be true only for those, such as Obama's 2004 Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, who believe a fetus that doctors give no chance of surviving is an "infant." It is worth noting that Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support."

It seems like Obama has been caught by the descenting opinion for trying to maintain abortion laws and women's rights to terminate a fetus, and was acting in accordance to trying to keep abortion rights in law, not under the want to kill children. There's the tendency for many to equate those who agree with abortion rights as wanting to kill babies/children/whatever, and I would consider that wrong. That's why it is uncharitable from an ethical standpoint to call those from the anti-abortion position "Pro-Life", as if the opposing side would then be "Pro-Death", which is not true. It seems to come down to definition of what it is to be an "infant" - from conception, or from viability, and so on. Furthermore:

"[T]there are already laws in Illinois, which Obama has said he supports, that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony."

Your claim for Obama as a "baby killer" doesn't seem to be too strong, and seems to rely upon what position and conviction you come from with regards to the matter of abortion - whether you are pro-choice or anti-abortion - which is going to fundamentally shape how you view Obama as a person.

Your second claim for fascism and communism has already been debunked. Anyways, thanks for providing an example of exactly what I said - that people will go to claims of the extremes, whatever extremes they may be (fascist, communist, baby killer, dog hater, nose picker, etc.) in order to de-legitimate a person's position. It's not just about whether you agree to it, but how you approach these issues from your own convictions as well as whether you are out to try to use whatever information necessary to try to prove a person wrong according to those convictions. They're irrational because they are extreme exaggerations - rather than saying Obama defends abortion rights, he becomes a "baby killer", rather than him being more left-leaning than the past president, he becomes "socialist" or "communist", and so on. It's about the language used and its purpose.

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The only thing about obama is the fact he's centre right... (That's probably officially classed as socialism in America)

I told him a thousand times not to wear tight trousers

I know my better judgement tells me that I really shouldn't be encouraging you, however that was the funniest comment posted for many a day! :cake:

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A cousin of mine says he shouldn't even be president because apparently, he can't stop smoking. Whether it's true or not, the idea is completely absurd.

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What's wrong with being Muslim? Or socialist? Isn't most of Europe at least partly socialist?

Not particularly. UK all three main parties are on the neo-liberalist side of the scale. None of them are particularly socialist.

Maybe I'm getting the terminology mixed up, but as far as I can tell, some right wing Americans are calling Obama socialist because he wants to introduce socialized healthcare and high speed railways, both of which Europe already has.

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Obama doesn't want to introduce socialized healthcare (he's quite moderate in what he wants, no universal/national health insurance) and I've never heard of him wanting high-speed railways. There's no money for that. Rightwingers will say anything. Right now they're pretty pissed because they don't run anything anymore.

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I've never heard of him wanting high-speed railways. There's no money for that. Rightwingers will say anything.

Giving government funding for it is a border lining left wing thing to do, but if he expects all funding to come from the private sector (I don't know) it is most definitely a right wing development program, and even if the government is funding it, you can guarantee they won't get the profit, so it's a right wing policy.

But in general terms, he believes that capitalism will bring about the change wanted. He's left wing for America's point of view. But claiming he's socialist, to me, who's far left, is just pure ignorance.

He may believe in less involvement in personal issues, which isn't really about the economic scale, but about the social liberties scale. In context, he wants better health care across the country, but I don't think that means he'll be abolishing private sector. He wants for the rich to be taxed more than the poor, that's just so that the state has more money, it's a left wing policy, but overall, in America, the centre of politics is probably Centre Right.

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