SkyWorld Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Category: YouTube Author or Source: Crispy’s Tavern: DnD Tales and Tea Title: Fandom’s Weird HATRED of Asexuality Date: February 21, 2025 Link: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftschlosseule Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Thanks for sharing, that goes on my list of things to watch. And that flower crown? Wow. Now I want one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovely_xm07 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Interesting video! Honestly, I’m not surprised acephobia is so prevalent among in the queer community and queer fandoms. I encourage more asexual and aromantic characters in media, not just for representation, but to put the shipping communities on a bit of a leash. Sometimes they go a little too far with them if you know what I mean. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frameshift07 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 14 minutes ago, lovely_xm07 said: Interesting video! Honestly, I’m not surprised acephobia is so prevalent among in the queer community and queer fandoms. I encourage more asexual and aromantic characters in media, not just for representation, but to put the shipping communities on a bit of a leash. Sometimes they go a little too far with them if you know what I mean. Yeah. Even in some progressive communities, asexuality and a desire for SFW communities gets attacked and painted as anti-sexuality. I get that a lot of queer people have been sexually repressed in the past and afraid of spaces where queerphobia happens under the guise of being SFW, but at the same time, a lot of allo queer people in that situation think it's okay to blame us aces and use us as a punching bag, and a lot of them think we shouldn't be allowed to have spaces where those of us who are sex repulsed can feel safe and comfortable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mult Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Fandoms are... horrendous when is comes to asexuality or aromantism, and they're especially toxic to any idea that a character be totally non sexual or non romantic. People complain that it "ruins" a character or "ruins" their "fun" when it comes to completely non canon shipping. People end up saying incredibly offensive things in an attempt to defend shipping even though it's not canon such as equating not dating or having sex to being a robot as to say that everyone can date and have sex regardless of their orientation because they aren't robots. Then creators bend over backwards to try and appease everyone which is absolutely impossible because you cannot simultaneously represent one character both being okay with and not being okay with sex and romance. (My biggest gripe is a particular creator saying that sexualities would never be played with but "romantic aspects" would be which literally declares that "romantic aspects" are not worthy of the same respect as sex) Then there are those who suggest that the characters get "fixed". People need to stop putting their non canon shipping above all else and learn to damn deal with the fact that fictional characters aren't going to match their fantasies. It drives me insane that people would declare that shipping a canon gay and lesbian together is an offense yet those same people do whatever they want with an ace character for whatever reason of the week they come up with. At least be consistent. One either supports non canon ships that don't align with canon sexualities or one does not. Stop the cherry picking to justify NSFW or romance fantasy content when that stuff never needed to align with the canon material. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzipueo Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, Mult said: Fandoms are... horrendous when is comes to asexuality or aromantism, and they're especially toxic to any idea that a character be totally non sexual or non romantic. People complain that it "ruins" a character or "ruins" their "fun" when it comes to completely non canon shipping. People end up saying incredibly offensive things in an attempt to defend shipping even though it's not canon such as equating not dating or having sex to being a robot as to say that everyone can date and have sex regardless of their orientation because they aren't robots. Then creators bend over backwards to try and appease everyone which is absolutely impossible because you cannot simultaneously represent one character both being okay with and not being okay with sex and romance. (My biggest gripe is a particular creator saying that sexualities would never be played with but "romantic aspects" would be which literally declares that "romantic aspects" are not worthy of the same respect as sex) Then there are those who suggest that the characters get "fixed". People need to stop putting their non canon shipping above all else and learn to damn deal with the fact that fictional characters aren't going to match their fantasies. It drives me insane that people would declare that shipping a canon gay and lesbian together is an offense yet those same people do whatever they want with an ace character for whatever reason of the week they come up with. At least be consistent. One either supports non canon ships that don't align with canon sexualities or one does not. Stop the cherry picking to justify NSFW or romance fantasy content when that stuff never needed to align with the canon material. Or, better yet, come up with your own character and ship them any way you want. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mult Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 minutes ago, fuzzipueo said: Or, better yet, come up with your own character and ship them any way you want. Also true, but people who complain about ace or aro characters either aren't creative enough to make their own and would rather demand a character match their personal fantasies exactly or they are creative enough to create their own character, they're shipping that character with the ace/aro character and they're trying to declare why the ship aligns with the canon character for X, Y, Z even though the ship will never be canon regardless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mult Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Shipping discourse in general is insane Gay ship with straight characters: it's fine because there aren't a lot of gay characters in the first place and straight people get all the representation they want. Straight ship with gay characters: there aren't enough gay characters in the first place, so shipping them straight is erasure even though they are still canonically gay. Any ship with an ace character: it's okay because asexual doesn't mean aromantic which means that any ship is fine, plus asexuals can still have sex, okay! Even if they are aromantic, that doesn't mean they don't want to date completely, they're not a robot! Shipping gays straight somehow erases their canon homosexuality but shipping straights gay does not erase anything while ace characters are the "get out of jail free card" which means any ship of any orientation can be "canon". If people just said "I acknowledge that this character is different in the canon material but I'm just borrowing their image for my personal enjoyment. There is nothing wrong with the character's canon orientation and there is no need for them to match my personal non-canon ship/fan content." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalena Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 hours ago, fuzzipueo said: Or, better yet, come up with your own character and ship them any way you want. While I do agree with this, the reactions would probably consist of being ridiculed and accused of having created a 'self-insert' regardless of whether that character fits the definition. As far as I understand, that is generally frowned upon and regarded as bad writing. How it is apparently worse than distorting someone else's characters to ship them in canon-defying ways is beyond me though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzipueo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 hours ago, Phalena said: While I do agree with this, the reactions would probably consist of being ridiculed and accused of having created a 'self-insert' regardless of whether that character fits the definition. As far as I understand, that is generally frowned upon and regarded as bad writing. How it is apparently worse than distorting someone else's characters to ship them in canon-defying ways is beyond me though. I've encountered this attitude too and I find it baffling. The "we deserve this" crowd are aggravating at the best of times, though, more often than not, they come across, to me, as self-centered and entitled. *** Warning, personal opinion incoming. This is in no way meant to discourage people who want to write fanfic! By all means write it (even the authors who don't want you writing it in their playgrounds want you to write!). Some of my favorite stories over the years are fanfic (Merlin-Arthurian stuff, Robin Hood, all the new fiction based on the old myths and legends.) I just have words to say. *** OK, this is from someone who's been around a while and has conversations with a friend who does write fanfic and remembers the early days of the internet: There used be a bit of decorum about how fan writers approached canon material, a respect for the author and their work, as well as an acknowledgement that what they're doing is, technically, illegal - breaking copyright isn't funny or cute. However, there now seems to be a lack of respect among fanfic writers toward the authors whose work fanfic writers take to rewrite these days. I get a sense of entitlement when I talk to fanfic writers about what they're writing and they get really upset about the whole copyright issue. This is why I say create your own worlds and characters, take inspiration from your favorite authors, by all means, but don't steal their ideas. I do understand the value of writing fanfic, but, ultimately, as a reader? I'd rather read your take on an old idea than the fanfic you write. But that's just me. *** Thank you for your patience *** 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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