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capitalism, communism or socialism


Which do you support   

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  1. 1. Which do you support in theory

    • Capitalism
      11
    • Communism
      4
    • Socialism
      24
  2. 2. Which do you support in practice

    • Capitalism
      16
    • Communism
      0
    • Socialism
      23
  3. 3. Which would be in your ideal world

    • Capitalism
      8
    • Communism
      5
    • Socialism
      26


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simpleminded90

Nice questions - thankyou. Whether we like it or not , I guess we all support Capitalism in practise even without knowing that we are. 

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@Eden1313 I assumed completing this survey that you were referring to “communism” (universal democratic ownership of the means of production/land/etc.) as opposed to “Communism” (the often horrendous dictatorships of the 20th century, which had little to no relation to “communism”).

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Hey, the people in Scandinavia seem happy and well off, and they have a socialist kind of system, so...  we in the U.S. have capitalism and we have social and economic problems (poverty, homelessness, hunger, people can't afford medical care sometimes)... there has to be a better way.  Also I think a lot of people in the U.S. think that socialism and communism are the same thing and they're not.  Communism is like you don't own anything and if you don't agree with stuff you end up in Siberia.  Socialism is like school & healthcare are free, but you pay a lot in taxes and probably pay more for consumer goods.

 

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There's a likely chance that I support a skewed barely even capable of being called kind of socialism/communism hybrid. But I think that's a stretch. Technically, I support none of these ideologies.

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11 hours ago, Iam9man said:

@Eden1313 I assumed completing this survey that you were referring to “communism” (universal democratic ownership of the means of production/land/etc.) as opposed to “Communism” (the often horrendous dictatorships of the 20th century, which had little to no relation to “communism”).

 Yes I am referring to the ideology not the dictatorships that called themselves communism when they actually weren’t. 

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1 hour ago, E said:

There's a likely chance that I support a skewed barely even capable of being called kind of socialism/communism hybrid. But I think that's a stretch. Technically, I support none of these ideologies.

What ideology do you support if you don’t mind answering? 

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38 minutes ago, Eden1313 said:

 Yes I am referring to the ideology not the dictatorships that called themselves communism when they actually weren’t. 

I thought as much 😊 Unfortunately people often conflate the two, which may skew responses.

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1 hour ago, Iam9man said:

I thought as much 😊 Unfortunately people often conflate the two, which may skew responses.

Yes I was a little worried about that but I am hoping those into politics will know the difference. 

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4 minutes ago, Eden1313 said:

Personally I don’t think a sociocracy would work on a large scale it seems more suited to small groups than to something as large as a nation. 

Yeah, unless, someday because of climate change, there is no more government anywhere because an apocalypse happened and the humans are disappearing like in movies 

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8 minutes ago, somebody00 said:

Yeah, unless, someday because of climate change, there is no more government anywhere because an apocalypse happened and the humans are disappearing like in movies 

Well when that day comes we can add it to the poll. But I think if we got rid of capitalism we could avoid such a fate. 

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None of these systems would work unless the hardwired human psyche could rid itself of defects such as greed, power hunger etc. They all fail in the end because individuals with selfish agendas wreck them. Yes, I know, simplistic, but then again, so is e=mc2

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4 hours ago, Eden1313 said:

i think some systems can work i dont think humans are doomed to fail simply because some of us are greedy there are ways around that but not with capitalism 

Yeah, socialism would probably be the best if I had to choose since there is no more liberalism and it works for the common good, so probably a great reduction if not a goal to the end of the use of fossil fuels, what about you @Eden1313? I would like to know your preferred choice :)

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16 minutes ago, somebody00 said:

Yeah, socialism would probably be the best if I had to choose since there is no more liberalism and it works for the common good, so probably a great reduction if not a goal to the end of the use of fossil fuels, what about you @Eden1313? I would like to know your preferred choice :)

I am definitely on the socialism train I think it is a good balance and would have a better outcome for the environment and the people of course there are different types of socialism but I think as a general ideology I support socialism the most. 

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2 hours ago, somebody00 said:

Yeah, socialism would probably be the best if I had to choose

In UK we have an ex - prime minister Tony Blair, who called himself a socialist. He's now a multi millionaire property developer. You can't escape the self interest. I won't even mention the wars he sanctioned.

OK, you could say he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, but aren't they all?

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Just now, Lilibulero said:

OK, you could say he was a wolf in sheep's clothing, but aren't they all?

Yeah, that’s why as an 18 year old, In my first vote, I will vote for nobody, just gonna check all the names to cancel my vote and to not get my vote stolen by any   of those puppets working for the greedy vilains.

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1 hour ago, Lilibulero said:

In UK we have an ex - prime minister Tony Blair, who called himself a socialist.

Anyone can call themselves anything, doesn't make it true. Blair was never anything other than a neoliberal piece of trash and not even remotely anything resembling a socialist.

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Capitalism that isn't crony and controlled by exploitative corporations and their executives would be nice. If there was a handful of socialist policies to help those who have absolutely nothing that would be good as well. Communism might work in small groups (i.e. communes) of 50-100 people who all know and trust each other very well

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Blue eyes white dragon

Blended I think is a good way

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Just now, Eden1313 said:

Self governance is an interesting principle but I don’t think it works very well in a system with a lot of people if anything I think it leads to further hostility towards those perceived as outsiders. 

Yeah, forget that link,Socialism is the best way

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10 hours ago, TormentDubz said:

Capitalism that isn't crony and controlled by exploitative corporations and their executives would be nice. If there was a handful of socialist policies to help those who have absolutely nothing that would be good as well. Communism might work in small groups (i.e. communes) of 50-100 people who all know and trust each other very well

I don’t think we can have a good version of capitalism because the essence of capitalism is encouraging people to value their individual needs above that of the collective. It encourages exploitation and corruption. 

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On 9/4/2022 at 12:06 AM, Eden1313 said:

What ideology do you support if you don’t mind answering? 

 

I can't particularily give a good answer to that. I don't support any ideology as a whole as I believe there are dangers to ascribing to any ideology due to the flawed nature of human thinking when we apply bias, the passage of time, entropy, and groupthink.

 

Entropy can be expressed as a degradation of a system, whether it be from corruption within a system, or a subtle change in values over time. Time is the ultimate arbiter of all systems, which means that no system humans engineer can or will last forever. Ultimately, it will change until it no longer resembles its origins.

 

Bias and groupthink arise because we try to combat entropy, time, and other ideologies. Let's keep it simple as an example. Let us say that we live in a society that punishes all crime with death. At the beginning of our founding, we decided to address the issue of entropy by making another law. That the death penalty law cannot be changed or overruled under any circumstances.

 

Enforcing this law over time creates a society that thinks only in terms of self preservation. It will do everything it can to preserve and protect what it wants to from the ravages of time and decay, which in terms of mentality, creates a society of rigid minds that are not acceptable or adaptable to changing circumstances.

 

They then either wage war against groups with other ideologies, or they fizzle and die out as other groups evolve faster than they do. If they try to combat other groups by evolving and changing rules and laws to keep up with them, we arrive back at point one. Entropy and time win.

 

So to sum this up for you? In my eyes, any society wide ideology is doomed to corruption since corruption is an expression of entropy. And the more a society tries to enforce its rules to preserve them, the more rigid and inflexible they become in mental ability to adapt to new concepts, while also amounting a growing number of harm done to individuals by enforcing norms.

 

In a way this can be summed up into a mathematical equation, but there is one paradoxical fact. Our systems are all doomed to fail, but we are all doomed to create systems because it is what we do naturally.

 

Rather than adopt any ideology or system of government, in my mind I ask myself what is most important in life? In my life, it is survival, and level of happiness. If I apply this basic principle to every human being, it amounts to this.

 

Every human being has the right to be happy and live in safety, the right to do what they want so long as nobody else is hurt, and the right to defend themselves if their physical or mental survival is threatened. Ideally, society can and should only be built upon these foundations because these foundations cannot be corrupted.

 

A human being ten thousand years from now will still want to do what they want to do and be happy, without being hurt by other people/things. So to me, this is the only base we have to work with, but it cannot be expanded upon further because we quickly delve into point number 2, rigid thinking and stagnation.

 

 

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