Gender neutral bathrooms ?

[Lord Revan]

People of AVEN, what are your opinions on gender neutral bathrooms ?

[Guest]

Always, genderqueer butch, lesbian 

[Lord Revan]

Me too, AroAce demiboy

[Missing]

I’m very pro gender neutral bathrooms! Female panromantic (I put biromantic because it’s close enough for me) and I put other for my sexual orientation because I have no idea.

[Artemis42]

I support them 100%. I’m a female heteroromantic ace.

[Calliers]

I support the motion.

[Lysandre, the Star-Crossed]

I'm pro single-occupancy bathroom, as a polysexual panromantic NB.

[Boondocks Paradox]

It's always a yes for me. I know one establishment here that has a bathroom for four - male, female, persons with disability, and gender neutral.

[vin3g4r]

I'm pro as well. An interesting fact: I read an article some time ago about gender neutral bathrooms reducing the line for the toilet. The article also had layouts and designs for the toilets, which was very cool.

[gndrqrd]

Neutral bathrooms forever and always, cupio gray-gay, bigender transandrogynous FTX

[Gloomy]

Single occupancy bathrooms- Yeah, make those gender neutral.
 

Bathrooms with a bunch of flimsy stalls- I don’t even like sharing those with other women and I wish they would go the way of the horse and buggy.

 

I’m female, bisexual, and biromantic.

[Jelle]

9 hours ago, Gloomy said:

Single occupancy bathrooms- Yeah, make those gender neutral.

Pretty much this, but I'm an asexual grey-homoromantic male.

[Guest]

Asexual nonbinary panromantic (or androromantic, who knows for sure?). I would be in full support of gender neutral single-occupancy toilets. I have to use disabled toilets because I am not comfortable using toilets where other Humans are.

[Virelai]

Single occupancy restrooms should always be gender neutral, and I think they should be required to be in every new building built from now on. However, the shared restrooms I'm a bit less comfortable with the idea of being gender-neutral.

 

With that, I don't really know how to vote on the poll, as it's a "it depends" kind of deal for me, where in the first scenario I am a very strong "always" yes, but the latter I'm...eh.

[SlicedUpSnake]

The general pooping station!!! There were some in my school but I dunno if they are still there. By the way as a agender, I just go with the bathroom with less queue and smell. Tactical thinking...

[Larkaloke]

Gender neutral bathrooms make the most sense to me. I certainly can't see a single argument against in the case of single-occupancy ones, and all of the issues about multi-stall ones are in my eyes already problems (like, if the stalls are so flimsy you can see through them, that's a problem no matter what).

[A User]

Always, unlabeled arospec ace

 

I think gender neutral bathrooms have 100% helped me a lot with gender in general and feeling good

My school has one and tbh idk where I'd be without it (it also serves as a space for me to be alone and a place to switch invisalign in peace) (it's a single stall)

 

It's wayyy more than just a bathroom to me, honestly

[Luftschlosseule]

Aro-ace agender, voted for yay.

The non-gender neutral bathrooms are a thing the victorians invented, I believe, and I also believe that it's time to red rid of some of these nonsense ideas. The only sorting that makes sense to me is able bodied and disabled people. Give me a stall I can close, toilet paper and soap and I am happy. Well, at least as far as that's going.

[TheSmolFoxWeeb]

This gendervoid aroace says YES to gender neutral bathrooms

[Cloaked Dragon]

Where I grew up gender neutral bathrooms where the norm, so I never knew it was such an issue.

The whole debate is a bit strange to me.

[Guest]

depends on what you mean by "gender netural" if its mixed sex then big fat NO, if it is single occupancy then yes, lets face it public restrooms are disgusting and lack privacy (especially mens), sorry it this was a stupid question (I just wanted to make sure on what you meant)

[everywhere and nowhere]

On 6/3/2022 at 1:15 AM, vin3g4r said:

An interesting fact: I read an article some time ago about gender neutral bathrooms reducing the line for the toilet.

I read in a book about gender-neutral bathrooms doing the opposite, so while I support the idea in general, I do think that it has to be done with common sense.

Situation: somewhere in Great Britain some institution went on with the "gender-neutral bathrooms" idea... by just changing "Ladies" and "Gentlemen" to "Gender-neutral with cubicles" and "Gender-neutral with urinals". Result: men didn't now only go to the gentlemen's room, they went to both depending on which physiological need they needed to satisfy, and the result was to only elongate the queue to the bathroom without urinals.

Which should be seen in a broader context. Obviously, in men's toilets there are both cubicles and urinals, since men need to sit down to satisfy the "longer" physiological need. But the presence of urinals means that, actually, more people can simultaneously use a men's bathroom of the same size as a women's bathroom - which also poses the question whether the same amount of space for men's and women's toilets is actually "equal". If a man only needs to urinate, he can do it quicker, so if there are also urinals to use, on average the queue to the ladies' room is usually much longer then to the getlemen's, which can be easily observed in practice during the intermission in any theatre.

On the other hand - I'm not an enthusiast of urinals in the first place because I believe that they train boys and men not to respect their own and other men's intimacy. There is absolutely nothing wrong about not wanting to undress in presence of people of the same gender. So I'm rather in favour of somehow "unteaching" boys and men those disgusting willy comparison rituals and instead teaching them that men who are fine with walking around naked in presence of other guys and men who will never undress unless they carefully lock the door deserve the same amount of respect from their peers.

More urinal rant: urinals, nevertheless, allow quick urination, which is fine, but they should be surrounded by more than just a shoulder-heigth partition. Such mini-cubicles would still take up less place than "full-scale" cubicles with a toilet bowl, but their very appearance could convey the message that "physiological needs are a private matter and it's not OK to examine a stranger's penis". And men should absolutely be taught to wash their hands after urination!!!!! I used to have a friend who, when I criticised him for not washing his hands (I knew it from the sounds coming from the bathroom), would always say that "urine is sterile" and that I'm "shaming him" and "exercising body hatred".

Back to the issue of gender-neutral bathrooms: so if they are to be created, they should require rebuilding, not just renaming the toilets. A gender-neutral toilet should consist of one single large room with cubicles, so that no one has to look at other people doing their business.

[estherann]

I like them. I'm agender but usually go to the women's bathroom as I don't have the equipment to use a urinal. Unless the queue is long, then I use the men's. When I was growing up it was common practice to use whatever bathroom was available if queues were of unequal length or one was out of order and no one made a fuss about it. I don't know why some people have lost that common sense approach. In terms of designing new buildings it's much more sensible to have a single set of toilets for everyone to use. Note I am from the UK where we don't have gaps you can see into in our toilet stalls.

[vin3g4r]

9 hours ago, everywhere and nowhere said:

Back to the issue of gender-neutral bathrooms: so if they are to be created, they should require rebuilding, not just renaming the toilets. A gender-neutral toilet should consist of one single large room with cubicles, so that no one has to look at other people doing their business.

Completely agree, changing the names but leaving the structures as they are doesn't sound useful at all, that's why I found interesting the different bathroom designs that article was showing (unfortunately I can't find it, and it was also in my native language I believe). So rebuilding them would be the right choice I think, even privacy-wise as you said. 
The washing-your-hands-after-using-toilet thing drives me crazy, it should be a basic hygiene rule for everyone.

[steel_quill]

9 hours ago, everywhere and nowhere said:

Situation: somewhere in Great Britain some institution went on with the "gender-neutral bathrooms" idea... by just changing "Ladies" and "Gentlemen" to "Gender-neutral with cubicles" and "Gender-neutral with urinals".

This made me LOL so hard. 🤣🤣🤣 That's not really the point. Though, here in the U.S., the gender-neutral bathrooms I've seen (at least) are basically just the women's rooms renamed to "Gender-neutral". The net result (when I was in college) was that there were fewer "women's" rooms than "men's" because half the women's rooms got "converted" to gender-neutral bathrooms. 

 

9 hours ago, everywhere and nowhere said:

So I'm rather in favour of somehow "unteaching" boys and men those disgusting willy comparison rituals

Spoiler b/c this might be TMI

Spoiler

I've heard before that because there are these "rituals," the men's rooms are really gross because guys try to compete who can spray the farthest. I. Just. Don't. Get. It. And, on a semi-related note, some of the urinal manufacturers found out that if they stuck a "target" or something equivalent in the middle of the urinal, because guys would try to aim at it, that helped to make the rooms slightly less gross. 

 

But anyway, asexual female of questioning romantic orientation says yay to gender-neutral bathrooms. Go in, lock the stall, no one can see anyone else anyway. 

[a little annihilation]

I'm pro, and I'm an enby bambi lesbian.

I was recently at a place where there was a single occupancy bathroom and the sign said "all genders" and that made me happy and I've never seen that before

[Virelai]

On 6/12/2022 at 5:45 PM, steel_quill said:

Go in, lock the stall, no one can see anyone else anyway. 

The stalls in my work restroom have a gap in between the door and the rest of it (sorry, don't know the technical term for that lol) that unnerves me enough among other women.

 

Plus, I have a shy bladder that would get even worse if I had to pee around men. lol.

[steel_quill]

2 hours ago, Virelai said:

The stalls in my work restroom have a gap in between the door and the rest of it (sorry, don't know the technical term for that lol) that unnerves me enough among other women.

True, there's always those annoying gaps around the edges of the doors, and you can also see people's feet underneath. I think if a Peeping Tom were trying to spy on you through the gaps, it'd be pretty obvious, because you'd be seeing this eyeball pressed against the door. Anyone who does that, regardless of their gender, is just PLAIN. CREEPY.

[Virelai]

9 hours ago, steel_quill said:

True, there's always those annoying gaps around the edges of the doors, and you can also see people's feet underneath. I think if a Peeping Tom were trying to spy on you through the gaps, it'd be pretty obvious, because you'd be seeing this eyeball pressed against the door. Anyone who does that, regardless of their gender, is just PLAIN. CREEPY.

Yes, but the problem is that by the time I'd notice, I'd already have been violated.

[Calliers]

On 6/13/2022 at 8:18 PM, steel_quill said:

True, there's always those annoying gaps around the edges of the doors, and you can also see people's feet underneath. I think if a Peeping Tom were trying to spy on you through the gaps, it'd be pretty obvious, because you'd be seeing this eyeball pressed against the door. Anyone who does that, regardless of their gender, is just PLAIN. CREEPY.

Or sticking a camera underneath!