Sarah-Sylvia Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 How much would be good to see in media? Mainly in terms of people, but could be more queerness and representation in general ;D. Should it be based on the amount of lgbtqia people in the population? I've seen it be numbers between 3% up to 10% +, of the population. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snao Cone Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Everything should be gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reindeer Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Well it seems to be everywhere right now. BTW if ya all want some good shows a ton are out on streaming sites I would personally, recommend #Shera #QForce #Owlhouse The Community is popping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morays Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I don't want to see representation distilled down to a number. I want to see rich, complex stories about vastly different kinds of experiences without their makers having to navigate barriers to creation that don't exist for people of less marginalized identities. I'm not going to assign a percentage value to that goal, because the idea that there's some magical "right amount" of queer content seems to me ignorant of the fact that the content and depth and emotional honesty of the stories is so many times more important than just whether or not a character is stated to be queer. Representation isn't a numbers game, and when we talk about it like it is, I think we're profoundly missing the point of what people are asking for when they're seeking inclusion, and instead letting the language of consumer culture and business overtake a much more meaningful dialogue about what stories we're telling ourselves and where they're coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah-Sylvia Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Morays said: I don't want to see representation distilled down to a number. I want to see rich, complex stories about vastly different kinds of experiences without their makers having to navigate barriers to creation that don't exist for people of less marginalized identities. I'm not going to assign a percentage value to that goal, because the idea that there's some magical "right amount" of queer content seems to me ignorant of the fact that the content and depth and emotional honesty of the stories is so many times more important than just whether or not a character is stated to be queer. Representation isn't a numbers game, and when we talk about it like it is, I think we're profoundly missing the point of what people are asking for when they're seeking inclusion, and instead letting the language of consumer culture and business overtake a much more meaningful dialogue about what stories we're telling ourselves and where they're coming from. The way I see it, and I do agree having rich stories is great, it's not trying to get a certain amount for each show 'necessarily', but averaging media in general. So there could be some (incoming) shows that don't have much or isn't important to their story, but then others who do have a lot of focus on it. (and could be quite complex) It's kinda hard to put a number then too :P, but it's just to get an idea, I guess I'm just curious for in general, how much of media content would be good to have lgbtq+ representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBassFox Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Snao Cone said: Everything should be gay. I mean being straight is kinda gay. I mean you're attracted to someone who's attracted to your own gender, kinda gay am I right? /joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah-Sylvia Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, BigBassFox said: I mean being straight is kinda gay. I mean you're attracted to someone who's attracted to your own gender, kinda gay am I right? /joking Well not just that, but like say in the case of a straight man, he likes something very feminine, a gal. Quite gay if I say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceebs Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sarah-Sylvia said: Well not just that, but like say in the case of a straight man, he likes something very feminine, a gal. Quite gay if I say so. My straight male partner likes me, a bisexual woman, so he's basically just gay... somehow... right? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah-Sylvia Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lady Telecaster said: My straight male partner likes me, a bisexual woman, so he's basically just gay... somehow... right? 😂 yes basically. Since someone could say It's pretty gay for a man to like womanly things, and you're a woman .. not thing but person, which is like a bunch of things too. And you can even like women yourself, so probably extra. So, fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysandre, the Star-Crossed Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 This isn't unique to LGBT+ or GRSM issues... I think a "good amount" of representation is important, but that it is of lesser importance than the quality of the representation. My personal push is more for ethical non-monogamy, non-binary, and genderqueer representation because my identity is more closely aligned to those causes. Almost all representation I find in the mainstream is confusing, limited to one subset, or at times even blatantly problematic. The same occurs for LGBT+ and GRSM folks of other flavors as well. I don't want to see people like myself in media if we're being misrepresented as something we're not or made into offensive stereotypes. You wouldn't believe how many times my being out as my various identities (bonus points if anyone can reply and guess what each one is) has been met with "So you want to be a h***a*****ite?" or "I know all about that from Sister Wives." or "People like you are just communists who don't like that word." or "Don't your kind eat babies, sacrifice virgins, and fuck goats?" or "You're just an anti-war Republican who likes drugs and hates taxes." No representation>bad representation, because it's easier to start from scratch than to undo the damage of bad portrayals. If I had to pick a percentage though...12.5% give or take. I think about 1/8th of the population is LGBT+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, BigBassFox said: I mean being straight is kinda gay. I mean you're attracted to someone who's attracted to your own gender, kinda gay am I right? /joking "Everyone is gay." -Kurt Cobain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, RoseGoesToYale said: "Everyone is gay." -Kurt Cobain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 To un-derail this thread, I think a good amount of representation is as much as can be quality representation. A bunch pf screenwriters and producers sitting there throwing minority characters at a script at random and saying "See, we've reached the quota!" helps no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, RoseGoesToYale said: To un-derail this thread, I think a good amount of representation is as much as can be quality representation. A bunch pf screenwriters and producers sitting there throwing minority characters at a script at random and saying "See, we've reached the quota!" helps no one. I agree with you and @Morays, quality over quantity, for example the way it was done in Sex Education on Netflix was a great example of how to do it. Although I always think it a breath of fresh air whenever I see they included something from the spectrum in a show or movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah-Sylvia Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 Why not quality And quantity? ;D But very fair that quality is important. There's definitely been bad representations in the past and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Oh, and btw, I voted for 50%+. One can hope, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRose Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I want frequent closet advertisements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Just now, GingerRose said: I want frequent closet advertisements. Now there's an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmeraldIce Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Sarah-Sylvia said: Well not just that, but like say in the case of a straight man, he likes something very feminine, a gal. Quite gay if I say so. That's actually a great point! My husband hates men's scents and enjoys flowery and fruity scents. The thing is, flowery and fruity scents are seen as gay or girly, whereas musky scents are seen as manly. However, musky scents were originally marketed to men to attract women, and flowery fruity scents are originally marketed to women to attract men. I know many people do genuinely like the scent that they're "supposed to" wear, but it just strikes me as odd that it's apparently inappropriate to enjoy and wear a scent that was initially marketed as attractive to your gender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 53 minutes ago, GingerRose said: I want frequent closet advertisements. I wish my closets were that organized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, daveb said: I wish my closets were that organized! Mine sort of are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The French Unicorn Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I don't think we can quantify it. The more the better, sure, but as people say it is nothing without quality. Also what would happen when we reach the number? We stop there because it is "enough"? I don't think it is a good idea to think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceebs Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 If it has to be quantified, I'd say about 8-10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AavaMeri Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Hard to say any percentage, but what I'd rather look forward is to present the fictional worlds generally pro-LGBTQ+ - unless not being that is a plot point. Also general acceptance and letting go of the idea "boy meets girl romance must ensue". These kinds of small things: Love means much more than romantic love towards "opposite" sex. "You got a partner? Girlfriend? Boyfriend?" Characters finding happiness outside romantic partnerships while not dissing existence of people being happy in romantic partnerships. These characters may not necessarily be aros, but they just illustrate that happiness can be achieved without romantic relationships. A kid wandering a toy store, browsing all kinds of toys, picking up a toy they want (no matter if it conforms with the gender expectations or not). May also have kid-like reasons for why they want a toy, like "I wanted He-Man's Battle Tiger because he's a green kitty". I think those kind of things would be healthy to non-LGBTQ+ people too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerRose Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 19 hours ago, daveb said: I wish my closets were that organized! Right? Then no one would even want to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, GingerRose said: Right? Then no one would even want to come out. I come out of mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gndrqrd Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I was gonna be like "well it should be proportional to the population" and then realized I can be truthful here so honestly? 100% gay everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A User Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Idk if there can be a number, but I think as long as good rep, that isn't filled with stereotypes and isn't negatively portrayed, I think that's good enough for me. Also, if the lgbtq ppl represented are actually important to the plot of the TV show and they have personality outside being lgbtq, that's even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calliers Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Have you guys noticed that there has been a back lash by some allo people who complain that everything in showbiz is turning LGBTQ+ now, they say that it should just be vanilla and for different reasons too. It is sad, it's almost like they want us to just remain side lined completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I think the ideal would be if LGBTG+ representation became normalized and unremarkable (in the sense that people don't talk much about cis-het representation). Same for other sorts of representation, too (gender, ethnicity, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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