Virgin pregnancy? Share your stories or theories.

[thylacine]

Hi CA. I don't have time to read this whole thing, so I don't know if it was mentioned above... BUT!!! Now hear this. A virgin Komodo dragon had a bunch of little dragons recently. She lives in a zoo, and they know for sure that she is a single mother! Cool, huh? Go ahead. Look it up. Check that out.

Also, in many world religions, the Mother of God is a virgin. For example, the Blessed Virgin Mary. Buddha's mother is also rumored to be a virgin (his father is Ganesha the elephant god).

Anakin Skywalker's mother Shmi was a virgin (although she got married later in life).

The world is full of famous virgins!

[Parth]

You know what this thread reminds me of?

One time in high school, my friend was really scared that she might be pregnant.

I asked her how far she'd gone, and she said... she'd made out.

She honestly thought she could get pregnant through kissing. :lol:

[thylacine]

A girl thought she could get pregnant from kissing???

[Zane]

My mom told me once that she thought when she was 8 that she was pregnant because she thought girls got pregnant from thinking about wanting babies.

[cijay]

Well, there's artificial insemination and there are also test tube babies.

I don't know how much those methods cost. People resort to them for different reasons.

My friend paid $20,000 per cycle - luckily she conceived on the second round.

[Spoofmaster]

I am well and truly baffled as to why we have these topics.

1. C_A claims to have no interest in having a child himself, so these ideas do not apply to him.

2. C_A's own website (which, by the way, is terrifying and which I can't talk about without going into what would be called "flaming") says that it's okay to have sex for the purpose of procreation, which is what it was "meant for." Personally, I think God gave mankind recreational sex as a gift, and just because He gifted me with asexuality (and I do view it as a gift) doesn't mean that sexuality isn't just as good or better of a gift for the "normal" people out there. Anyway, C_A himself says that "mating" (which is an almost cruel way to refer to it) is permissable for the purpose of makin' babays, so this advice does not apply to sexuals who desire children.

3. Last but not least, just about every member of this board has gone ahead and said "if I was going to have a kid, I'd either put up with the sex or adopt." Granted, this is not information that was necesarily known to C_A before this non-sex babay business started, but it's been abundantly clear since. So, this advice does not apply to the asexuals of this board.

*edited to sound like less of a jerk myself*

[asexual1976]

1. My wife and I made a baby in a jacuzzi. Yes, it can happen!

2. Yes, you can, sperm can live in a hot tub for up to 24 hours

I guess IF the man ejaculated into the pool, and IF the sperm survived, and IF the sperm found its way into the vagina of the woman, and IF it made it's way to a fertile egg,the the woman could get pregnant.

Also, women beware : If you go into the sea on a beach in Florida you could be inseminated by a sperm of some French guy, that got washed off his underpants, travelled down the drain of the washing machine, into the sewer, into the river, into the sea, hiding in a crack in a plank, then got taken over the ocean by a current, then left the crack again in Florida to finally fertilize that woman. Hey - in theory anything is possible !

5. It is possible to become pregnant without penetration, however, sperm has to get into the vagina. It could be transferred from hands, clothes or bedclothes etc. So be very careful!!

I can show you a hundred more stories if you'd like. Men must be extremely careful not to accidentally get her pregnant. Both can be virgins. It only takes ONE sperm! You both don't even have to be nude!

Question:

Id imagine STDs could be spread that way, if sperm can get thru, so can diseases!

That's exactly the point. In theory you could get AIDS or any other STD this way. In very theoretical theory. Ever since the advent of AIDS there hasn't bee a single case of transmission this way ! There were many people would were extremely afraid and claimed that it could happen at first, but it was quickly shown to be untrue. The same goes for sperms.

[ChildOfTheLight]

I'm going with the Dr. House theory on those stories of people getting pregnant in the hot tub or whatever.

People lie. People especially lie about having sex.

That's all that's going on, most likely.

[Shooting Star]

These claims seem to have been ripped out of a pre-Kinsey handbook about "ideal marraige" and are a thinly veiled attempt to return our understanding of sexuality to the Dark Ages. If these ideas catch on, old superstitions will creep back in and before you know it, people will revert to thinking that the intersexed are evil (think the Pardoner in "Canterbury Tales") and that girls who get pregnant out of wedlock should be looked down upon as dirty little sluts who just couldn't keep their legs together, not to mention people beating their kids for being gay. :roll:

This has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with enforcing impossibly strict religious morality on others through intimidation and fear.

[Spoofmaster]

But supposedly it's not about religion, which is why it's weird that C_A describes sex as a "sin." A sin is a crime against God, so if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in the possibility of sin. :?

[Hallucigenia]

But supposedly it's not about religion, which is why it's weird that C_A describes sex as a "sin." A sin is a crime against God, so if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in the possibility of sin. :?

Actually, that turns out not to be the case.

"Sin" in the Random House Unabridged Dictionary:

1. transgression of divine law: the sin of Adam.

2. any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.

3. any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; great fault or offense: It's a sin to waste time.

"Sin" in the American Heritage Dictionary:

1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate.

2. Theology

1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God.

2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience.

3. Something regarded as being shameful, deplorable, or utterly wrong.

"Sin" on WordNet:

1. commit a sin; violate a law of God or a moral law

2. commit a faux pas or a fault or make a serious mistake; "I blundered during the job interview"

"Sin" is usually used in the religious sense, but as these dictionaries show, it can also be used to describe anything that a secular speaker finds morally unacceptable. C_a is using "sin" in this secular sense rather than the religious one.

You can argue that this usage is confusing, and it probably is, but that doesn't mean it's logically invalid. Words just have more than one definition sometimes. It's kinda like when people say "You can't be asexual! You don't reproduce by budding!"

[Spoofmaster]

Okay, but then I'm going to go ahead and cite the fact that C_A's website has an entire article on the supposed religious consequences of having sex (not premarital sex, or gay sex--sex period). Still disturbed by the claims of secular reasoning when he's yanking in religious concerns.

[Hallucigenia]

Oh, point. I didn't read his whole website.

[cijay]

1. My wife and I made a baby in a jacuzzi. Yes, it can happen!

2. Yes, you can, sperm can live in a hot tub for up to 24 hours

I guess IF the man ejaculated into the pool, and IF the sperm survived, and IF the sperm found its way into the vagina of the woman, and IF it made it's way to a fertile egg,the the woman could get pregnant.

Also, women beware : If you go into the sea on a beach in Florida you could be inseminated by a sperm of some French guy, that got washed off his underpants, travelled down the drain of the washing machine, into the sewer, into the river, into the sea, hiding in a crack in a plank, then got taken over the ocean by a current, then left the crack again in Florida to finally fertilize that woman. Hey - in theory anything is possible !

Yeah, and tune in tomorrow's show when our guest is someone who got pregnant by masturbating to a porn movie.

[KAGU143]

My thought is that any pregnancy which originates from a sperm cell fertilizing an egg is not technically a virgin pregnancy.

I don't care how that little critter managed to get access. The fact that it came from a male instead of from the mother is sufficient.

The very fact that gametes from two different parents are combining means that it is SEXUAL reproduction. Male + female reproductive cells combining = sexual reproduction.

The only other kind is asexual reproduction. I would include parthenogenesis in this category as well.

-GB

[Spoofmaster]

I suppose that depends on the definition of virginity--whether it means not participating in any sort of sexual reproduction at all, or if it just means not being involved on either side of an act of penetration. I would agree, though, that you're correct in saying any time a sperm and egg cell get together it is sexual reproduction.

[Nico-Nico Friendo]

I'm going with the Dr. House theory on those stories of people getting pregnant in the hot tub or whatever.

People lie. People especially lie about having sex.

That's all that's going on, most likely.

Yes, that is most likely. People make up crazy stories all the time.

(BTW . . . Dr. House is awesome! 8) )

[AntiBubble]

Oh, point. I didn't read his whole website.

I got as far as finding an ad for "Norton Antivirus" on the FAQ page and cracked up :lol:

[Tikva]

Hmmmm. Back in the 70's I had a different sort of dilemma. Asexuality and "test tube babies" were unheard of at the time. But at the age of 20 I knew that I REALLY wanted a baby but I REALLY didn't want to do the whole marriage-constant-sex-thing. So I asked a male friend if he would agree to getting me pregnant, without a relationship, but be willing to acknowledge the baby as his so that the future baby would know his/her father. He agreed. I was a virgin at the time but we had sex. You know, the-whole-intercourse-penatration-while-butt-nekked kind. After a month of that I went to the doctor and was informed that I would NEVER be able to get pregnant because my uterus was tipped way backwards. (Yes I know I should have gone to the doctor BEFORE the whole-intercourse-penatration-while-butt-naked-thing, but, hindsight....). I stopped having sex. Immediately. Since I hated it.

Anyway. I was stunned at the news. And devasted.

About a month after that, right after breakfast, I suddenly hurled. Big time! Since I had also missed a period I went back to the doctor...

To make a long story short, my 31-year-old son got married last year after living with his girlfriend for 4 years, and a few days ago I got an email from my daughter-in-law that I may be a grandmother in a couple of years. They're at the discussion point. (He wants kids like NOW but she wants to enjoy their freedom awhile longer. She's only 30, so plenty of time.....but I have a sneaking suspicion that neither one of them are virgins.....)

[vits3k]

I like that story. It sounds from here like you're happy with the results. Yay :)

[funaladanaly]

Please see all the sources I have provided in the above post.

Your sources aren't credible. Nothing that says Wiki in it is credible as anyone can post on it. If you scroll down further on that Wiki site, you'll see where people posted the answer in the negative rather than positive.

Here however is a credible site. You can tell a site is credible by seeing who runs the site (a doctor, lawyer, phd, etc) or its domain (edu, gov).

According to Oregon State University, you can only get pregnant in a hot tub if the sperm is ejaculated into the woman's vaginal canal - aka they have sex.

http://studenthealth.oregonstate.edu/answe...hp?message=6899

[cijay]

Hmmmm. Back in the 70's I had a different sort of dilemma. Asexuality and "test tube babies" were unheard of at the time. But at the age of 20 I knew that I REALLY wanted a baby but I REALLY didn't want to do the whole marriage-constant-sex-thing. So I asked a male friend if he would agree to getting me pregnant, without a relationship, but be willing to acknowledge the baby as his so that the future baby would know his/her father. He agreed. I was a virgin at the time but we had sex. You know, the-whole-intercourse-penatration-while-butt-nekked kind. After a month of that I went to the doctor and was informed that I would NEVER be able to get pregnant because my uterus was tipped way backwards. (Yes I know I should have gone to the doctor BEFORE the whole-intercourse-penatration-while-butt-naked-thing, but, hindsight....). I stopped having sex. Immediately. Since I hated it.

Anyway. I was stunned at the news. And devasted.

About a month after that, right after breakfast, I suddenly hurled. Big time! Since I had also missed a period I went back to the doctor...

To make a long story short, my 31-year-old son got married last year after living with his girlfriend for 4 years, and a few days ago I got an email from my daughter-in-law that I may be a grandmother in a couple of years. They're at the discussion point. (He wants kids like NOW but she wants to enjoy their freedom awhile longer. She's only 30, so plenty of time.....but I have a sneaking suspicion that neither one of them are virgins.....)

That's a great story! Yay! There are so many people running around because one of their parents were told that they would never BE a parent. It's just, most of the time, it ends in the negative and the person ends up with a baby s/he doesn't want so it's always lovely when it ends up being a blessing.

[Tikva]

Thanks vits3k! Yes, I had fun raising him. We travelled alot and all of his "firsts" (word, tooth, steps, etc.) took place in various countries. I worked to earn the money as we went, and told him he was a child of the universe. I wanted him to know that people are the same no matter what country they're from. I did decide to drop out of college until he was old enough to start school (which was in Scotland when he was 4). We returned to the States when he was 6 and I finished college here.

Since I didn't indulge in any further biological arts & crafts, he was an only child and a bit spoiled. Okay, alot spoiled. (When I told him he was a "child of the universe", he apparently took that to mean he was the "CENTER" of the universe, which is not exactly what I intended....)

Nevertheless, he is now successful in the career of his choice and happily married to a great person and they're madly in love. (But live 2,000 miles away :( )

(And he still thinks his "hippie" mom is a lunatic for living poor for ideological reasons).

Can't wait to meet the future grandchild---- :D

[Tikva]

Thanks cijay! Yes, he was a very much wanted and loved child. It was the best time of my life and I'd do it all over again if I could.

I know what you mean about the unwanted "surprise" babies. Hopefully medical science will advance enough to avoid that sort of misdiagnosis and resulting tragedy for all involved!

[newgirl]

I was thinking about having a virgin pregnancy (Artificial insemination ).

virgin woman can get prengnant

1. a virgin woman who has never had intercourse, can get pregnant via artificial insemination.

2. a man's sperm get anywhere near her vaginal entrance without penetration.

[ThePieMaker]

2. Yes, you can, sperm can live in a hot tub for up to 24 hours

So, where did you get this one? It sounds like an urban legend to me.

Yeah, it totally is. There is a reason the testicles hang down from the body and that is because body temperature is too hot for sperm to survive in. So I'm fairly sure if they can't survive normal body temperature very well, then they'll have some difficulty surviving 24 hours in a hot tub.

[SlightlyMetaphysical]

The OP seems to have an odd idea of asexuals. Some may prefer not to have sex to make a child, but I think it's more celibacy to prefer not to loose your virginity to have a child.

I have read somewhere that virgin pregnancy, however unlikely is often used as an excuse by the victims of rape* or other premarital intercourse in countries with Sharia law. Not sure how true it is.

*I really didn't like writing those last six words

[oneofthesun]

As for how easy it is to get pregnant, I just gone done reading the sponge method. The male ejaculates onto the sponge which soaks the sperm then the female uses the same sponge immediately and rubs her privates with it. Probably a half million sperm will get in. Whoa! One lady thinks you can get pregnant from toilet(seats) if he masturbates into that toilet and you immediately use it! Several women have reported pregnancy from dry humping if the male ejaculates. Sperm can soak thru cloth. Not a good idea to "hump" women, period. If sperm gets near a female's privates, pregnancy becomes a theoratical possibility, period. It only takes ONE sperm.

This is true and so is the bathtub one. Back when she was young my mom's doctor told her those things could happen.

I remember once on a web site someone asked if she could get pregnant from anal sex. People responded calling her stupid, but in fact if some semen drips into the vaginal area it CAN happen.

[Sally]

Sperm can swim but they can't walk. I don't think the bathtub/toilet thing is a danger to anyone.

[LonePiper]

Yeah, a lot of these theories sound pretty far fetched to me - think a live trout falling off the back of a truck in front of your house, flopping in the front door, up the stairs and into your bed. Apart from the enormously low probability of the trout's random floppings getting it there, it would be very unlikely to live that long (and sperm are way more fragile and likely to die than a trout on dry land).