Is your asexuality flag the gynephilia flag?

[NickyTannock]

I'm not sure why it is, but a lot of places have confused the gynephilia flag with the asexuality flag, so when you order an ace flag, that's what you could get instead.

 

The difference between the two is that whereas an asexuality pride flag uses the colours black, grey, white and purple, the gynephilia pride flag uses black, grey, white and hot pink.

 

https://lgbt.wikia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia

[everywhere and nowhere]

I'm both asexual and gynephilic (at least on the affectional, not sexual, level), so I wouldn't mind it.

[Skycaptain]

Ace flag 

[Philip027]

A "gynephilia" flag rubs me about the same way as a "straight/heterosexual" flag would, incidentally.

 

Oh wow, you like chicks?  There's only, like, probably over half of humanity in that particular club.

 

Of course it uses pink too.  How else are people gonna know it's girly?

[Janus the Fox]

There might be a number of flags that use the black white grey and a colour, common combination in textile design for decades.  The Ace flag may not necessarily be the first to have these 4 colours.  While the Ace flag is likely the first to use it as a flag, it is perhaps popular enough to see derivatives.

[everywhere and nowhere]

48 minutes ago, Philip027 said:

A "gynephilia" flag rubs me about the same way as a "straight/heterosexual" flag would, incidentally.

 

Oh wow, you like chicks?  There's only, like, probably over half of humanity in that particular club.

 

Of course it uses pink too.  How else are people gonna know it's girly?

Not all gynephilic people are men.

Actually, I find the perspective of "gynephilia / androphilia" valid for several reasons. The dominant perspective - "heterosexual / homosexual" scale - is dependent on the gender binary. If someone doesn't identify as "100% male" or "100% female", which gender is "same" and which is "opposite" (I, anyway, prefer the term "different gender") in relation to them? Therefore, it seems, for non-binary people it might be very helpful to identiy as, for example, "gynephilic" rather than "homosexual".

[Philip027]

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Not all gynephilic people are men.

I never said they were?

 

Also, I'm not saying the gyne- label is pointless.  I'm just saying it seems silly and even a little pretentious to make a "pride flag" over it when it's something over half the populace can resonate with.  You are literally not even a minority at that point, which is why I say it rubs me in a similar way like a "hetero" flag or people calling for "straight pride" would.

[witchboi]

1 hour ago, Philip027 said:

Oh wow, you like chicks?  There's only, like, probably over half of humanity in that particular club.

gynephilia is not about liking women but about liking traditionally feminine people which includes feminine men, feminine genderqueers, and feminine women

it's sort of like a "variant" of bisexuality making it a minority (like omnisexuals, pansexuals, etc...)

 

I do find it weird that the flag looks so much like the asexual flag

[Janus the Fox]

1 hour ago, Nowhere Girl said:

Not all gynephilic people are men.

Actually, I find the perspective of "gynephilia / androphilia" valid for several reasons. The dominant perspective - "heterosexual / homosexual" scale - is dependent on the gender binary. If someone doesn't identify as "100% male" or "100% female", which gender is "same" and which is "opposite" (I, anyway, prefer the term "different gender") in relation to them? Therefore, it seems, for non-binary people it might be very helpful to identiy as, for example, "gynephilic" rather than "homosexual".

Particularly true this, myself having a non-binary gender, being Agender and Intersex.  The ‘same sex’ and ‘opposite sex’ attraction models don’t work all that well other than the same sex attractions are for another Agender intersex (without it with genitals) individual and opposite is like a Pangender Androgyne intersex (with both it mixed set of genitals).

 

Its possible one is asexual as there’s no one else that has the same or opposite sex or gender for an individual like myself.  There’s a large grey area for those anywhere identifying not completely non gendered.

[NickyTannock]

59 minutes ago, witchboi said:

I do find it weird that the flag looks so much like the asexual flag

 

Welcome to AVEN!

 

I've seen a few asexuals proudly displaying their gynephilia flags thinking they're asexual flags, so I thought it would be a good idea to make this thread.

The two do look very similar.

 

Incidentally, it is a tradition here to welcome new members by offering cake, and here's a "Dragon" cake,

Spoiler

 

https://cakesdecor.com/cakes/215752-dragon

 

 

[witchboi]

28 minutes ago, MichaelTannock said:

Welcome to AVEN!

thank you ! this made my day lol

[NickyTannock]

1 minute ago, witchboi said:

thank you ! this made my day lol

You're welcome! I'm glad it did!

[LeChat]

That's surprising. I didn't know that the flags looked similar.

 

I don't think I've seen anyone use the gynephilia flag; I've just seen slight variations of the purple stripe on asexual flags, some a dark purple or a lighter shade of purple.

[NickyTannock]

@LeChat This is what a gynephilia flag looks like under real world lighting;

 

https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/gynephilia-flag-5ft-x-3ft.html

[FaerySilverwings]

I am really grateful you posted this. I was just about to order my first flag and now I need to go check before I pay for it that it's the right one.

[LeChat]

54 minutes ago, MichaelTannock said:

...This is what a gynephilia flag looks like under real world lighting;

 

https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/gynephilia-flag-5ft-x-3ft.html

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Oh! I see; yeah, that color does look like a purple color of the ace flag. Their ace flag looks darker. https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/asexual-flag-5ft-x-3ft-6008.html

 

It looks like a case of bad CGI/photoshopping, to me, perhaps, with whomever made the graphics using the wrong color due to different computers having different color settings; all the flags in that exact position have the same "white" shaded creases in the exact same places (compared to this one, which looks a bit more realistic https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/ireland-tri-colour-hand-waving-flag.html).

 

It'd hope that the actual product sent has the correct colors, that, hopefully, it's just a case of bad/incorrect CGI graphics.

 

Now that I think about it, I've come across a few shoppers giving reviews about a clothing product (i.e. shirt, shoes, etc.) and writing that they were disappointed and surprised that the product they'd received was a different color from the picture shown, online (e.g. pink instead of purple).

[Snao Cone]

Sigh...

 

There is, in practical terms, a finite number of colours that are discernible enough to be used in flags without confusion (especially given variation that can come from printing flags, whether due to the material or the dye or whatever). Do we need to start limiting to a finite number of identities to make symbols practical anymore?

 

This is mild colour blindness aside, of course. One could even say that the gynophilia flag is ableist (or at least if enforcing the difference between purple and pink became a big deal). 

[NickyTannock]

50 minutes ago, FaerySilverwings said:

I am really grateful you posted this. I was just about to order my first flag and now I need to go check before I pay for it that it's the right one.

You're welcome! And good luck with ordering your asexuality pride flag!

 

13 minutes ago, LeChat said:

Now that I think about it, I've come across a few shoppers giving reviews about a clothing product (i.e. shirt, shoes, etc.) and writing that they were disappointed and surprised that the product they'd received was a different color from the picture shown, online (e.g. pink instead of purple).

As I say, I've seen a few asexuals proudly displaying their gynephilia flags thinking they're asexuality flags.

 

2 minutes ago, Snao Cone (me) said:

There is, in practical terms, a finite number of colours that are discernible enough to be used in flags without confusion (especially given variation that can come from printing flags, whether due to the material or the dye or whatever). Do we need to start limiting to a finite number of identities to make symbols practical anymore?

My goal by making this thread is not to criticise the gynephilia flag or limit people's options, only inform people about the difference due to a recurring mistake on the part of sellers.

[Janus the Fox]

I can see the differences in the colour and I can certantly see there's that grey area between the purple and the pink, advertising communication between the two looks muddled here

This pic in particular, it isn't bright enough to be the gyne flag colour, the lighting and camera composition and for any web picture compression or applied High Dynamic Range editing don't do this justice to me.  I'm sure I've see this picture before, for Asexuality.  Again, advertising here is mixed or misleading, comparing the two, I'm not convinced it's a photo at all to me.

[Snao Cone]

The next hot debate in the asexual community will be "Is magenta purple or pink?" Saying it's purple will lead to accusations of gynephiliaphobia and most people will say "magenta is a spectrum" despite how useless of a statement that is. And of course that will be countered with the argument of "No. All visible light is a spectrum. Magenta is a very specific wavelength." Then people will argue against that by saying "Well actually, while pure magenta is in an RGB sense (255,0,255), there is a range of hues that are effectively perceived as magenta to the human eye."

[NickyTannock]

17 minutes ago, Janus DarkFox said:

This pic in particular, it isn't bright enough to be the gyne flag colour, the lighting and camera composition and for any web picture compression or applied High Dynamic Range editing don't do this justice to me.  I'm sure I've see this picture before, for Asexuality.  Again, advertising here is mixed or misleading, comparing the two, I'm not convinced it's a photo at all to me.

They digitally applied their colours to a photo of what was most likely a black flag.

 

But I think we're getting sidetracked, since if you want a better example of the two flags to compare, here's a photo that has both of them.

The asexuality flag is flying on the left, with someone wearing it as a cape behind the sign, and the gynephilia flag is flying on the right, with several wearing it as a cape.

https://www.facebook.com/AVENOfficial/posts/many-thanks-to-everyone-that-marched-with-us-today-at-london-pride-it-was-an-awe/10156387744287584/

[Snao Cone]

1 minute ago, CBC said:

But is this an asexual colour scheme or a gynephilic one? (I know, the answer is both, as the two are not mutually exclusive.) 

[Snao Cone]

Anyway, to be less shitpost-y, I think we can forgive the error in judgment for people who have magenta on their asexual flag. It shouldn't be that big of a deal. 

[NickyTannock]

@Snao Cone (me) @CBC

 

That's just the way the two flags are, and they certainly don't represent the same thing.

 

Do you have any solutions?

[NickyTannock]

I did not appreciate the derailment.

[Snao Cone]

7 minutes ago, MichaelTannock said:

@Snao Cone (me) @CBC

 

That's just the way the two flags are, and they certainly don't represent the same thing.

 

Do you have any solutions?

Without formal regulation, what can we do? I don't think the gynephilic flag is as common as the ace one, given how many of us didn't know about it until you brought it up. There are also other flags that include gynephilia, like the lesbian flag, or the bi/pan flags if those apply. We can do our best to personally choose shades of purple that are less ambiguous, but aside from that I don't think anyone is able to decidedly resolve this. People will always interpret ambiguous shades subjectively. I wouldn't be surprised if wars were started over this. Think of the red/orange confusion over things like the Italian and Irish flags, and how mixups continue to offend people. 

[Philip027]

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I'm also of the mind that not everything needs a flag

Yeah...

 

I personally think it's just weird to have flags representing personality traits, to be honest.  To me, flags are something that are supposed to represent countries.
 

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gynephilia is not about liking women but about liking traditionally feminine people which includes feminine men, feminine genderqueers, and feminine women

it's sort of like a "variant" of bisexuality making it a minority (like omnisexuals, pansexuals, etc...)

That's absolutely not my understanding of the term.  Gyne- traditionally refers specifically to women and the female body (not just "feminine" traits, whatever THAT's supposed to mean, because that's going to mean different things to different people), and this along with andro- is a prefix used by some trans people to more clearly indicate their relationship preference without specifically bringing up their sex/gender (because hetero/homo indicate relationship preferences in relation to one's own sex/gender)

 

If that's really what it's supposed to mean, I feel like a more distinctive term could have been chosen here.

[Janus the Fox]

2 hours ago, MichaelTannock said:

They digitally applied their colours to a photo of what was most likely a black flag.

 

But I think we're getting sidetracked, since if you want a better example of the two flags to compare, here's a photo that has both of them.

The asexuality flag is flying on the left, with someone wearing it as a cape behind the sign, and the gynephilia flag is flying on the right, with several wearing it as a cape.

https://www.facebook.com/AVENOfficial/posts/many-thanks-to-everyone-that-marched-with-us-today-at-london-pride-it-was-an-awe/10156387744287584/

True, though it can be possible an ace can identify gynephile asexual, also this pic is a few years old now the gynephile flag never formally existed until much more recently.

[Janus the Fox]

As requested the Thread needs to get back on topic and on track, possibly for the best to keep to serious answers for the moment until this is question is answered.

 

Janus DarkFox

Questions about Asexuality, Asexual Musings and Rantings & Open Mic Moderator

[NickyTannock]

11 minutes ago, Janus DarkFox said:

True, though it can be possible an ace can identify gynephile asexual, also this pic is a few years old now the gynephile flag never formally existed until much more recently.

How long ago is it that the flags started formally representing different things? I'm wondering if out of date records are the reason for the mixup that's been happening, where asexuals receive the wrong flag.