Is "Autochorissexual" ...Problematic?

[Rynn]

@Star Lion Right, so what if a gay girl had autochorissexual thoughts about two men getting it on? There's no desire for her to get involved in any way, yet she's having these fantasies. Would that not also come under autochorissexuality?

 

Does the non-existing desire need to be universal, or can it be situational? As in, would it only count if the person had absolute no sexual desires at all, or would it also count if the person had no sexual desires in relation to that specific fantasy?

 

It's still a paraphilia, not an orientation, so if we wanted to exclude people from certain orientations from being able to experience it, we would need some really good proof that it absolutely wasn't possible for them to experience it, and I honestly don't see why (allo)sexuals couldn't have fantasies that are totally disconnected from their sexual desires.

 

[letusdeleteouraccounts]

2 minutes ago, Laurann said:

@Star Lion Right, so what if a gay girl had autochorissexual thoughts about two men getting it on? There's no desire for her to get involved in any way, yet she's having these fantasies. Would that not also come under autochorissexuality?

 

Does the non-existing desire need to be universal, or can it be situational? As in, would it only count if the person had absolute no sexual desires at all, or would it also count if the person had no sexual desires in relation to that specific fantasy?

 

It's still a paraphilia, not an orientation, so if we wanted to exclude people from certain orientations from being able to experience it, we would need some really good proof that it absolutely wasn't possible for them to experience it, and I honestly don't see why (allo)sexuals couldn't have fantasies that are totally disconnected from their sexual desires.

 

I see what you’re saying but I meant it as a universal thing. Whenever my arousal is directed towards somebody, there’s that disconnect. That’s the experience of autochorissexuality. Speaking on the roots of the word based on its traditional definition, it was made as a sub-label to asexuality and not a situational occurrence. If non-asexuals want a word to describe their situational disconnects, they can create one just like how autochorissexual was created to fit our specific experiences

[Rynn]

@Star Lion Hmm yeah okay, that's fair.

I don't feel super protective over the label autochorissexuality so I don't really have a problem with it if people who only experience it situationally rather than universally use it to describe their experiences, but if that's different for you, then alright, I see why we disagree  

Glad we figured that out. 

[HikaruBG]

On 2/5/2020 at 12:49 AM, SithEmpress said:

I object strongly to the term "obsessed". Not all people who are fans of something are obsessed. It's a term often used for those of us who fall into geek culture just because we enjoy material that is considered socially unacceptable. Very rarely is it used for those who are into sports or music (unless it's kpop or teenage girls anyway, and screw that as well) or things that are more respected.

I think you are misunderstanding what the word "obsessed" is supposed to convey here.

In this sense of the word, it's supposed to convey the same message/meaning that, say, "stan" has.

 

Fujoshi as well are known for being very troublesome. Getting irrationally angry at the authors whenever their ships don't become canon (with the Tokyo Ghoul, they literally burned their own copy of the manga and sent the pictures to the author to express how mad they were... which is extremely disrespectful mind you), sending death threats to one another and the author and last but not least, will legit harass real people.

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The last one ("harrasing real people"), it really depends on the context here.

This could be a result of ship wars, fanartists, or the real people they personally ship.

 

Cyber bullying, sexual harrasment, sending death threats, ect. All around fun stuff. /s

And I disagree with the statement for sports fans. This can be used against even fans of sports and music... but that probably depends on the country.

 

For example, football fans (soccer, for the american natives here) in my country are highly disliked my country because they are known for causing a lot of ruckus whenever their favourite football team looses a match, which happens pretty often as well. A lot of people (fans, civilians and the police) end up getting hurt or arrested after big derby matches every year.

 

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Last year, there was one event in which a police woman almost ended up blinded during of it because shattered piece of glass, from a glass door, ended up getting in her eyes. Of course, the doctors managed to save her eyes via surgery but that's irreverent to the topic.

There were even couple of scandals because of these, not to mention that the teams end up getting fined because of their immature fans.

 

This is probably one given reason as to why would people dislike sports fans.

[SithLord]

4 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

I think you are misunderstanding what the word "obsessed" is supposed to convey here.

In this sense of the word, it's supposed to convey the same message/meaning that, say, "stan" has.

 

Fujoshi as well are known for being very troublesome. Getting irrationally angry at the authors whenever their ships don't become canon (with the Tokyo Ghoul, they literally burned their own copy of the manga and sent the pictures to the author to express how mad they were... which is extremely disrespectful mind you), sending death threats to one another and the author and last but not least, will legit harass real people.

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The last one ("harrasing real people"), it really depends on the context here.

This could be a result of ship wars, fanartists, or the real people they personally ship.

 

Cyber bullying, sexual harrasment, sending death threats, ect. All around fun stuff. /s

And I disagree with the statement for sports fans. This can be used against even fans of sports and music... but that probably depends on the country.

 

For example, football fans (soccer, for the american natives here) in my country are highly disliked my country because they are known for causing a lot of ruckus whenever their favourite football team looses a match, which happens pretty often as well. A lot of people (fans, civilians anf the polices) end up getting hurt or arrested after big derby matches every year.

 

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Last year, there was one event in which a police woman almost ended up blinded during of these event because shattered piece of glass, from a glass door, ended up getting in her eyes. Of course, the doctors managed to dave her eyes via surgery but that's irreverent to the topic.

There were even couple of scandals because of these, not to mention that the teams end up getting fined because of their immature fans.

 

This is probably one given reason as to why would people dislike sports fans.

Was the "Stan" thing a typo? I don't understand.

 

And you literally talk down to all fujoshi, something which I would be considered, as if we're all obsessed fans who sends death threats to people we don't like. That's the same logic that has people hating fans in general. And even if you're willing to spread it out to all people, you're being overly general. Needlessly insulting people who simply enjoy a medium. 

 

I'm a fujoshi. Have I burned manga because of a shipping war? No. I'm a SW fan. Have I sent death threats to the actors of characters I don't like? No. Have I stalked actors I'm find of? No. Am I obsessed? No. Should that term be flippantly applied to all fans? No! 

[HikaruBG]

1 hour ago, SithEmpress said:

Was the "Stan" thing a typo? I don't understand.

 

And you literally talk down to all fujoshi, something which I would be considered, as if we're all obsessed fans who sends death threats to people we don't like. That's the same logic that has people hating fans in general. And even if you're willing to spread it out to all people, you're being overly general. Needlessly insulting people who simply enjoy a medium. 

 

I'm a fujoshi. Have I burned manga because of a shipping war? No. I'm a SW fan. Have I sent death threats to the actors of characters I don't like? No. Have I stalked actors I'm find of? No. Am I obsessed? No. Should that term be flippantly applied to all fans? No! 

"Stan" is a term that describes people who are obsessed with a celebrity, a.k.a. "the hardcore fans". Originally derived from the song "Stan" by Eminem.

I already mentioned what stans do in my previous comment.

 

The term "Fujoshi" was supposed to be used in a similar manner - obsessed with gay porn and M/M relationships to a dangerous degree.

 

No, you misunderstood my comment again. The point of my comment was that if you are not obsessing over the whole Yaoi stuff and don't bother anyone when you are doing your shipping, then you are a normal fan.

Same goes for the K-pop fans - if you simply enjoy listening to the music and don't go on to stalk the K-pop idols, sending them questionable gifts, sexualize them, ect., then you are just a fan of the music genre.

This can be said for literally any kind of hobby or whatever.

And that's the thing - there is a difference between an unhealthy obssesion and a normal kind of interest.

 

[Salmiakki]

On 2/4/2020 at 3:28 PM, HikaruBG said:

The issue with kpop stans is that it isn't just young girls that are obsessed with kpop idols but also adult women and men (which kind of disturbing implications considering how young kpop idols tend look like).

Why does it matter what they look like? If the idols are over 18 I don't see anything wrong with an adult person liking them. And many of them are over 18.

 

Also, not every fan is obsessed. There are a lot of fans who aren't. And yes I'm very aware of the awful things that some "fans" do. But there are also plenty of kpop fans who are strongly against that kind of behavior. Kpop fans do care. There are a lot of reasonable fans out there, and most of us know about the bad things that happen, we aren't blind to it. We really just want to support our idols and their dreams. Usually the "normal" fans don't even consider the "crazy" fans to be fans. They're called sasaengs. Also people who hate on idols and say mean and insulting things to them and harass them to the verge of killing themselves are just haters.

[Salmiakki]

7 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

Same goes for the K-pop fans - if you simply enjoy listening to the music and don't go on to stalk the K-pop idols, sending them questionable gifts, sexualize them, ect., then you are just a fan of the music genre.

I'm just curious. How do you define sexualization? What do you think sexualization of idols entails?

[SithLord]

6 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

"Stan" is a term that describes people who are obsessed with a celebrity, a.k.a. "the hardcore fans". Originally derived from the song "Stan" by Eminem.

I already mentioned what stans do in my previous comment.

 

The term "Fujoshi" was supposed to be used in a similar manner - obsessed with gay porn and M/M relationships to a dangerous degree.

 

No, you misunderstood my comment again. The point of my comment was that if you are not obsessing over the whole Yaoi stuff and don't bother anyone when you are doing your shipping, then you are a normal fan.

Same goes for the K-pop fans - if you simply enjoy listening to the music and don't go on to stalk the K-pop idols, sending them questionable gifts, sexualize them, ect., then you are just a fan of the music genre.

This can be said for literally any kind of hobby or whatever.

And that's the thing - there is a difference between an unhealthy obssesion and a normal kind of interest.

Okay, I think I can understand you now. I assumed you were painting with a wide brush but I can see that you were isolating it more to hardcore obsessed fans and I was going for the more general fans.

 

In which case, I used fujoshi to just talk about normal fans, not the obsessed kind. Similar to the way American anime fans have claimed the term "otaku" as their title despite it being a negative term in Japan to refer to those who are obsessed. 

[SithLord]

18 minutes ago, Salmiakki said:

Usually the "normal" fans don't even consider the "crazy" fans to be fans. They're called sasaengs.

Gonna agree with this but in other fandoms. Normally, really, in every group where one subset takes it a bit too far, the rest of us try and distance ourselves from them.

[Salmiakki]

On 2/5/2020 at 7:51 AM, Mizulyn said:

As for the portion of the meme addressing poor hygiene, I feel like that's an otaku stereotype in general. I also feel like it comes from an ableist place. People with depression, executive dysfunction, chronic illnesses, and even autistic people can struggle to be "hygienic" for all kinds of reasons. That isn't to say I automatically think it's ableist to remind people to bathe or wear deoderant, but the whole "haha this person has bad hygiene let's make fun of them" is kind of ableist.

Thank you so much for saying this. I have clinical depression and because of it my hygiene is pretty terrible. It really doesn't feel nice when people make fun of people having bad hygiene when I'm just too exhausted to take care of my hygiene due to my mental illness.

[Salmiakki]

Oh and also also...

 

On 2/4/2020 at 3:28 PM, HikaruBG said:

 

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About the crazy kpop haters and fans.

Apparently, there has been cases of kpop idols receiving disgusting and outright dangerous gifts.

One kpop idol has received the PMS blood of a fangirl as a gift (ewww) and another kpop idol was poisoned by a hater.

 

And for the sex exploitation, it is said that companies force them into prostitution as well.

 

 

I'm pretty sure sex exploitation/prostitution in kpop is not common or normal. Personally I haven't heard much news about it and I'm a kpop fan of seven years. Not saying it doesn't happen at all though.

Also, there's no such thing as PMS blood. I assume you mean period blood.

 

Also sorry for bothering you by quoting you three times 🙈

[HikaruBG]

11 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

I'm just curious. How do you define sexualization? What do you think sexualization of idols entails?

Writing/drawing inappropriate pieces (fanfics and/or fanarts... Again, I'm going to use Jacksepticeye and Markiplier as an example here) even after knowing that the celebrities in question has said that they feel uncomfortable about it, speaking in an inappropriate way about the celebrities in question on social medias and lastly but not least,talking about them as if they are your bf/gf. I'm not talking about you specifically.... It's just that I have seen that there are people like that.

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Apparently, companies prohibit K-pop idols from dating (in their contracts, there is a cause like that and if the idols start dating with someone wothout the knowledge of the companies, their contracts with them will be terminated immediately). This is done on purpose so that the more extreme fans can essentially imagine themselves being in a relationship of sorts or something. I honestly don't know how to word it properly.

 

YouTube celebrities, unlike K-Pop, are not bound with contract (to YouTube itself) so they are free to date whoever they want... however, more often than not, they will be harassed by fans for it because "how dare you have a bf/gf".

 

The companies behind the K-Pop brands are merely using this mentality (?) to their advantage.

 

 

8 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

Oh and also also...

 

I'm pretty sure sex exploitation/prostitution in kpop is not common or normal. Personally I haven't heard much news about it and I'm a kpop fan of seven years. Not saying it doesn't happen at all though.

Also, there's no such thing as PMS blood. I assume you mean period blood.

 

Also sorry for bothering you by quoting you three times 🙈

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Yeah, I meant period blood. I honestly don't know why I wrote PMS blood.

 

11 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

Why does it matter what they look like? If the idols are over 18 I don't see anything wrong with an adult person liking them. And many of them are over 18.

 

Also, not every fan is obsessed. There are a lot of fans who aren't. And yes I'm very aware of the awful things that some "fans" do. But there are also plenty of kpop fans who are strongly against that kind of behavior. Kpop fans do care. There are a lot of reasonable fans out there, and most of us know about the bad things that happen, we aren't blind to it. We really just want to support our idols and their dreams. Usually the "normal" fans don't even consider the "crazy" fans to be fans. They're called sasaengs. Also people who hate on idols and say mean and insulting things to them and harass them to the verge of killing themselves are just haters.

I said that they look young. I didn't say anything about their actual age.... and you are missing the point here.

 

So...? You do know how fanbases work, right? Even if you guys try to distance yourselves from them, this doesn't mean that they aren't part of the fanbase... especially if they are a very vocal and a significant part of the fanbase, mind you.

 

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It's kind of similar to how I feel about weebs/weeaboos and the people who use the terms (a.i. we are being obsessed with Japanese culture without being a Japanese native) to essentially insult anyone who has some interest in these Japanese entertainment media (and more often than not, there seems to be a double standard of sorts here).

 

I am a manga reader and love to play JRPGs (hell, my pfp as of now is from a JRPG). And more often than not, I've been called a weeb bunch of times for merely enjoying those things (even when I don't want to learn Japanese through anime and pretend to be a Japanese person; don't want to travel to Japan and don't want to be disrespectful to their culture in general, ect.).

 

And needless to say, I can't blame them for it because I have seen how some of these weebs are behaving and well... I fucking hate it as well. For the last few years, I have come around to despise the anime community and the gaming community (that is built around the Japanese games) and associate them with negative feelings because of a few events (the most recent one being the Interspecies Reviewers drama with Funimation), I opted out to not interact with these communities at all.

 

 

[Salmiakki]

3 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

Writing/drawing inappropriate pieces (fanfics and/or fanarts... Again, I'm going to use Jacksepticeye and Markiplier as an example) even after knowing that the celebrities in question has said that they feel uncomfortable about it, speaking in an inappropriate way about the celebrities in question on social medias and lastly but not least,talking about them as if they are your bf/gf. I'm not talking about you specifically.... It's just that I have seen that there are people like that.

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Apparently, companies prohibit K-pop idols from dating (in their contracts, there is a cause like that and if the idols start dating with someone wothout the knowledge of the companies, their contracts with be terminated immediately). This is done on purpose that that the more extreme fans can essentially imagine themselves being in a relationship of sorts or something. I honestly don't know how to word it properly.

 

YouTube celebrities, unlike K-Pop, are not bound with contract (to YouTube itself) so they are free to date whoever they want... however, more often than not, they will be harassed by fans for it because "how dare you have a bf/gf".

 

The companies behind the K-Pop brands are merely using this mentality (?) to their advantage.

 

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I know about the dating ban. It exists because some people don’t react well to hearing that an idol they’re in love with is dating someone… some fans do extreme things that they shouldn't do. (The dating ban doesn't last forever though, by the way. It ends at some point. The dating ban lasts for a few years (starting from their debut), and after it's over then they're allowed to date.)

 

However, I don’t think it’s extreme to imagine being in a relationship with an idol. It's not bad or wrong. As long as you’re not hurting anyone, I don’t see anything wrong with it. I also don’t see anything wrong with having fantasies or writing fanfics as long as you’re not hurting the idol or sharing those things in places where they can find them. Talking about them as if they're your bf/gf, I don't see a problem with it if you're not bothering the idol. Sometimes people develop feelings on people who they can't be with and it's not their fault. Harassing idols and doing things that make them uncomfortable is not okay, but there's nothing wrong with having feelings and fantasies. People are allowed to be attracted to whoever they are attracted to. People can't control who they have feelings for.

 

 

3 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

I said that they look young. I didn't say anything about their actual age.... and you are missing the point here.

Your post made it sound like you think there’s something wrong with the fact that the idols look young or that there's something wrong with adults liking young-looking idols. I'm saying there isn't anything wrong with those things.

 

3 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

So...? You do know how fanbases work, right? Even if you guys try to distance yourselves from them, this doesn't mean that they aren't part of the fanbase... especially a very vocal and a significant part of the fanbase, mind you.

 

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It's kind of similar to how I feel about weebs/weeaboos and the people who use the terms (a.i. we are being obsessed with Japanese culture without being a Japanese native) to essentially insult anyone who has some interest in these Japanese entertainment media (and more often than not, there seems to be a double standard of sorts here).

 

I am a manga reader and love to play JRPGs (hell, my pfp as of now is from a JRPG). And more often than not, I've been called a weeb bunch of times for merely enjoying those things (even when I don't want to learn Japanese through anime and pretend to be a Japanese person; don't want to travel to Japan and don't want to be disrespectful to their culture in general, ect.).

 

And needless to say, I can't blame them for it because I have seen how some of these weebs are behaving and well... I fucking hate it as well. For the last few years, I have come around to despise the anime community and the gaming community (that is built around the Japanese games) and associate them with negative feelings because of a few events (the most recent one being the Interspecies Reviewers drama with Funimation), I opted out to not interact with these communities at all.

 

 

I'm just saying that it's not fair that a whole fanbase is being judged because of sasaengs. The majority of the fans are not like that. And you said that kpop fans don't care, as if no one in the kpop fandom cared. Most of us care. I just hate the fact that everyone in the fandom is getting judged and hated on when the majority of us are respectful. We can't control the crazy fans. It's not our fault that there are fans like that.

 

Also, do you think there's something wrong with wanting to learn a new language or to travel to a country because you're interested in something about the country? Or am I misunderstanding something?

[HikaruBG]

3 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

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I know about the dating ban. It exists because some people don’t react well to hearing that an idol they’re in love with is dating someone… some fans do extreme things that they shouldn't do. (The dating ban doesn't last forever though, by the way. It ends at some point. The dating ban lasts for a few years (starting from their debut), and after it's over then they're allowed to date.)

 

However, I don’t think it’s extreme to imagine being in a relationship with an idol. It's not bad or wrong. As long as you’re not hurting anyone, I don’t see anything wrong with it. I also don’t see anything wrong with having fantasies or writing fanfics as long as you’re not hurting the idol or sharing those things in places where they can find them. Talking about them as if they're your bf/gf, I don't see a problem with it if you're not bothering the idol. Sometimes people develop feelings on people who they can't be with and it's not their fault. Harassing idols and doing things that make them uncomfortable is not okay, but there's nothing wrong with having feelings and fantasies. People are allowed to be attracted to whoever they are attracted to. People can't control who they have feelings for.

 

 

Again, you are missing the point here. We are talking about a real human being with feeling here as well.
My first comment had a link to FPS Diesel's where he talks on this exact issue - his own experiences as a Youtuber, with fans who thinks that it's okay for them to overstep their boundaries, fanfiction and fanart, interviews with other Youtubers and such.
And with the whole shtick with Jacksepticeye and Markiplier? These guys specifically told these artists and writers to stop doing the NSFW stuff and yet, they (the artists and writers in question) didn't listen to them and went with it anyway.

Look, if the discussion was about shipping yourself with a fictional character (or shipping fictional characters), then yeah, I agree. You are free to do that all you want. But real people?? I'm sorry but that's where I'm drawing the line because, again, we are talking about real people with feelings here. And it doesn't matter if they are celebrities or idols because they are still people. And no, just because there is date ban imposed on some of them, that still doesn't excuse doing this.

 

I don't get it. Do you think that it's bad to respect celebrities' wishes when they say they don't want to have inappropriate art or fanfic of them?

 

3 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

Your post made it sound like you think there’s something wrong with the fact that the idols look young or that there's something wrong with adults liking young-looking idols. I'm saying there isn't anything wrong with those things.

The issue here isn't that these idols looks young. The issue here is that a much older people who think that there is nothing wrong with them being obsessive with these idols. And again, I'm not talking about their actual age.
 

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This argument really reminds me of when people try to defend lolis with "Well, you see, while it is true that she looks like are child, she is actually a +300 yos woman who looks like a child, so that's okay"... but at least, they can use the excuse that those characters are not real...

But the whole deal with the K-Pop idols?? Not so much. While it is true that the K-Pop idols doesn't look like children, at worst, they look like they are still teens....

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Salmiakki said:

It's just not fair that a whole fanbase is being judged because of sasaengs. The majority of the fans are not like that. And you said that kpop fans don't care, as if no one in the kpop fandom cared. Most of us care. I just hate the fact that everyone in the fandom is getting judged and hated on when the majority of us are respectful. We can't control the crazy fans. It's not our fault that there are fans like that.

 

Also, do you think there's something wrong with wanting to learn a new language or to travel to a country because you're interested in something about the country? Or am I misunderstanding something?

 

Yes, I completely agree. I don't like it when I'm being lumped with other degenerates and whiny people from the anime community or the gaming community either but there is nothing I can do about it. I'm just one person...

 

No, there is nothing wrong with doing that if you are being respectful towards both your language, national identity, culture, country, ect. and the other language, national identity, culture, country, ect. The key word here is "being respectful".
However weeaboos, and the people like that (keep in mind that weeaboos is referring to people that are obsessed with Japan only.... people can be obsessed with any country, really), are not like that.

 

[Salmiakki]

5 hours ago, HikaruBG said:

Again, you are missing the point here. We are talking about a real human being with feeling here as well.
My first comment had a link to FPS Diesel's where he talks on this exact issue - his own experiences as a Youtuber, with fans who thinks that it's okay for them to overstep their boundaries, fanfiction and fanart, interviews with other Youtubers and such.
And with the whole shtick with Jacksepticeye and Markiplier? These guys specifically told these artists and writers to stop doing the NSFW stuff and yet, they (the artists and writers in question) didn't listen to them and went with it anyway.

Look, if the discussion was about shipping yourself with a fictional character (or shipping fiction characters), then yeah, I agree. You are free to do that all you want. But real people?? I'm sorry but that's where I'm drawing the line because, again, we are talking about real people with feelings here. And it doesn't matter if they are celebrities or idols because they are still people. And no, just because there is date ban imposed on them, that still doesn't excuse doing this.

 

I don't get it. DO you think that it's bad to respect celebrities' wishes when they say they don't want to have inappropriate art or fanfic of them?

I’m not missing your point. Maybe you just don’t understand what I’m saying. I literally said that fantasies, fanfics, whatever, are okay IF you're not bothering the people. Meaning, you're not telling them about the thoughts you have. I know very well that celebrities are real people. I've had plenty of crushes on celebrities and I prefer to have crushes on celebrities over fictional characters because they're real people. I know they have real feelings and they get hurt too. I like that, it makes them more humane. (And no I'm not saying that I like it when people get hurt.) I like that they're real human beings.

 

I know some people publish their fanfics, fanart, etc. and I understand very well why that would make them uncomfortable. I don't support the kind of things that people do with Jacksepticeye and Markiplier. I know that they're uncomfortable with it. I don't think it's okay to ship people publicly online. To be completely honest, I don't even like gay shipping at all. I find it repulsive.

 

But I think that it's okay to fantasize by yourself, without letting the people you're fantasizing about know about it. What they don't know about, can't hurt them. Also I didn't say that a dating ban was excusing anything, I just said that it exists. I didn't say that the dating ban was a good thing and I also didn't say it was a bad thing. I said that some fans do things that they shouldn't. I don't think that harassing people is okay.

 

I don't think it's bad to respect celebrities wishes. I never said that it's okay to publicly share your fanfiction and fanart. What I don't understand is why it's such a big deal to fantasize about real people if those people don't know that you fantasize about them. It doesn't hurt them. I think that people should be allowed to think and feel whatever they want to. If they keep those things to themselves, I don't see a problem. If you disagree, I don't think that I can make you change your mind. But just know that you can't make me change my mind either. So I guess we just have to settle for the fact that we have different opinions.

[Rynn]

@Star Lion Sorry for pinging you again, but I was thinking about autochorissexuality and whether it has to be universal or can also be situational, and I wanted to know what you think of this scenario.

 

Let's say we have an ace who is autochorissexual. She experiences autochorissexuality in a typical way, she can't fantasise in first person (cuz ew) and she has no sexual attraction/desire towards anyone.

Then one day, she figures out she's actually demi. She still experiences her autochorissexuality the same way, as in, no fantasising in first person, no attraction to the people present in the fantasy, no desire to 'join in' in any way, but now she is able to experience attraction to her partner. Let's say she's even still repulsed (because yeah sexuals can be sex-repulsed too, surprisingly enough).

Can she no longer identify as autochorissexual? Her paraphilia hasn't changed, but does it now need a different name because her label has changed? If so, why? It's the same thing still, isn't it?