Eva Blue Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 What's the plan then? I see confessions and complaints all over my feeds saying things like "men cannot show their emotions bc we live in a society" or "women are not respected bc we live in a society" or "(insert xyz person) is more prone to suicidal tendencies bc we live in a society" and I think...so what? What the plan? The usual response is to just throw up your hands and act helpless and go back to watching kitten compilations or 360 no scope 420 memes. But I genuinely want to know why ARE we acting so helpless? Shouting our anger over Twitter (or I guess over AVEN if I'm being self aware lol) while planting our butts down to watch? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, Eva Blue said: why ARE we acting so helpless? Because most humans would rather be told what to think and how to act. Like seriously, 99% of the population has no interest in thinking for themselves. 23 minutes ago, Eva Blue said: What the plan? beer. Link to post Share on other sites
Balance Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Oh, I thought "we live in a society" meant you should treat each other decently. Or a seinfeld reference, but kind of the same concept. I'd expect most full grown adults have been taught how to behave/think, and after a certain point it's just spinning wheels imo. but I agree, beer. and naps. Link to post Share on other sites
frostboot Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I agree. People always say that this is the way the world works or that this is how our political system works, as if it's not us who built the system in the first place. Most of humanity's problems are made by humans and they can be changed. That being said, I think the reason people feel so helpless is because we often are. Because many ideas are so ingrained in society, because we are ruled by capitalism and because a handful of people hold most of the power, making a change can be difficult. We need a whole movement and so much time and money in order to be able to make a dent in for example the suicide rate of trans people. Since our society also strongly values full-time work and starting a family, not much time or energy for activism is left at the end of the day. I'd also say that complaints on social media is doing something. It can spread awareness, motivate people to speak up and provide a space where marginalized groups feel safe and respected. It can help us process our frustration to make real life easier to deal with and help the ones unknowingly maintaining the status quo to start working against it instead. Link to post Share on other sites
Epitaph Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I've had a habit lately of stating "Do what the farmers do, complain." Complaining comes naturally to people. It's far easier to complain than to do anything about the problem. You can call it armchair activism if you want. Link to post Share on other sites
LeChat Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, frostboot said: ...I'd also say that complaints on social media is doing something. It can spread awareness, motivate people to speak up and provide a space where marginalized groups feel safe and respected... Yes. Also, because others complained about something on social media, after trying to do something about it, offline (and not having any results from a company), the publicity helped them finally get results (where, say, for example, companies/employers would finally do something/respond about the incident). That's one reason why the internet is helpful. Just because someone's complaining about something online doesn't mean that they didn't already try to change/improve the situation, offline. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Like i always say to myself, i don’t care about the society, what people say about me and if they complain about things i like or like to do. But i am personally sick of those who let out their frustrations on the internet. I think that’s the reason why i’m a very private person who doesn’t share everything on the internet. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I feel like these 'in a society' things are cut off half way. We are helpless, thats never going to change. Link to post Share on other sites
gisiebob Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I mean, I live in a box. say there were some 500 other boxes that will be touching the edge of my box in a day and I can pound out morse code and maybe communicate with. and I ca drage my box around and maybe find a whole new set of 500 boxes the next day, but that means I lost contact with that previous 500. and, well, I'm still in this box. and if you think about it, 500 ain't a lot. there's 500 sets of 500 people in the county I live. I could spend a year just shaking hands and saying hi and having nothing of substance to communicate with all these people around me. so that's the little box I live in, but then there is the bigger box. this society thing. consider the problem: we are increasing usage while depleting supply. say in the postal system. the amount of packages being shipped is going up (thanks, amazon), the amount we are able to ship is going down. it used to be that there was no scarcity in getting things mailed, you pressed a button and you're order is on its way, but with this nice little double curve suddenly those cool new socks you liked on the internet are on a 'shipping que'. who gets to fix that? if I could fix it would I be able to? how much sugar should be in your cereal? what is a crime? what should be done about the baby crying on this very, very long train ride? who decides that we should draw straws if one of us has to die? sometimes I like to shove my little box up against the walls of that bigger box and sit and listen, cause maybe there's someone tapping out there in the void someone who wants to be heard, someone who knows a way out, someone who could use my help but I can't for long, I've got a lot of hands to shake. Link to post Share on other sites
what the face Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Eva Blue said: we live in a society" and I think...so what? What the plan? Within society we are expected to be social and get along for the most part. Think victims and conformists. Without society and we're in survival lands with the outlaws, the outcasts and the outlandish. I believe it's at the edge of human social order and the wilderness where one can see and make change and progress. The edge requires balance: one foot/eye within the current human society, the other foot/eye viewing out toward the undiscovered and the frontier of human and other experience. Lost balance, like lost footing or vision happens for us all. It takes some effort and determination both to first find your edge and to get it back when it/society seems hopeless. The change-makers/risk-takers, the pioneers and the creatives have always thrived there, working the edge. Courage and self-reliance is needed, Rewards of hope and freedom are welcome. Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Eva Blue said: (or I guess over AVEN if I'm being self aware lol) You've literally just answered your own question - the same reasons you do. What exactly are you doing about it? What exactly can you do about it? What can any of us do in the face of a hostile system that 99% of us have no meaningful power over? Link to post Share on other sites
Eva Blue Posted January 12, 2020 Author Share Posted January 12, 2020 @Anthracite_Impreza that's a good point. I can only do so much, but I am trying my best. Rn I'm in the middle of getting my arts administration diploma so that artists in my indigenous community aren't exploited as they are now. I've seen a one legged man selling a carving to a tourist for 75$ (which she haggled down) and then seeing this same peice for sale in an "authentic native arts" shop for 5x that price. I never wanted to see that again. 28 minutes ago, Anthracite_Impreza said: What can any of us do in the face of a hostile system that 99% of us have no meaningful power over? It's a small thing I know, but that's what I wanna do with my 0.00001% of power. Link to post Share on other sites
Howard Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Despite the shortcoming of our societies, we remain, with very few exceptions, inside one simply because the advantages outweight the disadvantes. I think the plan originaly was much like other social animals : protect each other and/or hunt larger animals than themselves. Then tools, farming and husbandry were discovered and we started to specialise. The sum of all outputs of our society would be greater than the sum of all the individual outputs because of it. In order to keep society from chaotic, hiearchy and roles are important. I tend to think thought that most problems that lead to complains are more about a hiearchy and the roles it imposes. Born in 1975 and brought up by a single mother, a product of recent times, I don't really define such roles as women vs men as the original poster but yes, hiearchy does bring several disadvantages. At one point, such as discovered by the European in some Pacific islands, we had a matriarchal society. Women who tended land were the landowners and produced most of the needed goods through agriculture and men were mostly hunters, at rare times warrior. On the African continent, particularly in Egypt, patriarchy rose when the warrior class started conquering and bringing home much luxuries. I hope to see a 'golden mean' hiearchy were the hiearchy is there to maximise both essential and luxurious goods. Sadly, when looking at Egyptian history, the shift happens through in slow phases, for example having dynasties ruled mostly by men but with some strong women before being conquered by the greeks who were patriarchal, so I tend to think that such a society will occur after my death. Link to post Share on other sites
Jusey1 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 2:24 AM, Eva Blue said: "men cannot show their emotions bc we live in a society" or "women are not respected bc we live in a society" or "(insert xyz person) is more prone to suicidal tendencies bc we live in a society" Any recent proof? This sounds like a lot of bs that most people (if not all) will never say because these statements are hugely stupid. The "we live in a society" argument is a decent argument when we are talking about showing basic manners and respect to everybody, and keeping certain things to yourself at home or in a community for it (such as your hobbies, religion, etc). Current society will never be like this. We've moved on from this bs stuff. Women are highly respected in today's society, and hell... Women tend to get benefits over men in certain situations. Men are expected to show emotions in society, and yes. Certain groups of prone to suicidal tendencies but not because of the society. Men are 4 times likely to commit suicide than women for example but that's due to the stress of overworking themselves (men are more likely to push limits and overwork). Nothing to do with the society itself. Link to post Share on other sites
Eva Blue Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 @Jusey1 easy there friend, It's just random examples I saw on Instagram lol. That's a nice rant, but you aren't really awnsering my question, I myself never even made these statements so I'm just gunna say it's kind of a waste of time to say that here. I'd say all this on appropriate threads that deal with those subjects. Sorry. My question was about what the point of saying "we live in a society" is. Does it do anything? Does it change anything? Link to post Share on other sites
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