Difference between aegosexuality and autochorissexuality?

[QuirkyAsexual]

I'm genuinely curious of the difference or if there even is one. Could someone clear it up?

[Dreamsexual]

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[QuirkyAsexual]

Just now, Dreamsexual said:

I thought they were basically the same ... but I'm no expert on this.  Curious to find out too.

I don't remember what post, but one person was stating something about the original creator of the term 'autochorissexual' used it as a sort of kink before someone else found the term and liked the definition but didn't like that it was being used as a kink instead of a sexuality. This person then created the word 'aegosexual' to mean the same thing, minus the whole 'kink and not a sexuality' part. I haven't found anything to confirm it though so I was hoping to find something before long.

[QuirkyAsexual]

Ok so according to the sexualities wiki, "Aegosexuality used to be called Autochorissexuality, however the name changed due to the fact that the doctor (Anthony Bogaert) who coined the term first called it a "paraphilia", which it is not." I had to look up paraphilia just to be sure and this is the definition: "a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities"

Sooo...essentially a kink/mental problem

[Dreamsexual]

On ‎6‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 11:31 AM, QuirkyAsexual said:

Ok so according to the sexualities wiki, "Aegosexuality used to be called Autochorissexuality, however the name changed due to the fact that the doctor (Anthony Bogaert) who coined the term first called it a "paraphilia", which it is not." I had to look up paraphilia just to be sure and this is the definition: "a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities"

Sooo...essentially a kink/mental problem

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[starweb]

A disconnection between oneself and a sexual target/object of arousal; may involve sexual fantasies, or arousal in response to erotica or pornography, but lacking any desire to be a participant in the sexual activities therein.

 

In other words, you fantasize about someone else's situation during sex, like watching a movie or reading smutty fan fiction.  The person does not insert themselves in the fantasy.

 

I don't know if its an orientation or a practice, weird to think of it as a kink as I've never been a particularly 'kinky' person, but its the only way some of us get through sex.

[Anthracite_Impreza]

They're the same, but for the love of the goddess, it's anego-. It's basic Latin 😭

[everywhere and nowhere]

14 minutes ago, Anthracite_Impreza said:

They're the same, but for the love of the goddess, it's anego-. It's basic Latin 😭

The same what I wanted to write. And it's really simple, even simpler for the English-speaking. It works exactly the same as English articles: if the following word begins with a vowel, "-n" is added to the article. Exactly the same rule for "a-" as a Latin prefix.

[Confused.co.uk]

On 6/6/2019 at 11:41 AM, starweb said:

A disconnection between oneself and a sexual target/object of arousal; may involve sexual fantasies, or arousal in response to erotica or pornography, but lacking any desire to be a participant in the sexual activities therein.

 

In other words, you fantasize about someone else's situation during sex, like watching a movie or reading smutty fan fiction.  The person does not insert themselves in the fantasy.

 

I don't know if its an orientation or a practice, weird to think of it as a kink as I've never been a particularly 'kinky' person, but its the only way some of us get through sex.

Hi I'm curious about your response, do you mean it's the only way it gets some people through sex as they imagine they're someone else performing those activities? How do you experience sex if your anegosexual? 

[RedGloves]

18 hours ago, Confused.co.uk said:

Hi I'm curious about your response, do you mean it's the only way it gets some people through sex as they imagine they're someone else performing those activities? How do you experience sex if your anegosexual? 

Hey, I'm not who you replied to but  "anegosexuality or autochorisexuality" is a form of asexuality. A subset of asexual people consider themselves as anegosexual/autochorisexual.    

 

There's a few people who didn't understand and went against this definition (some still do) arguing that anyone, even people who are straight/gay/bi etc, can be aroused when watching porn or when imagining someone else having sex. And the word was coined by Anthony Bogaert, a psychologist that as his paper about it referred it as a paraphilia. After some people decided to changed the name to anegosexuality since it's easier to say and realized that grouping it as a "paraphilia" wasn't correct.  

 

Here's the abstract from his paper: 

 

"I present evidence that target-oriented paraphilias may occur in some who report no sexual attraction for others or those who identify as asexual. One target-oriented paraphilia in some asexual people is a disconnection between their identity and a sexual target/object. I name this phenomenon autochorissexualism or ‘‘identity-less’’ sexuality."

 

Some parts of it: 

 

"In a series of papers on asexuality (Bogaert, 2004, 2006, 2008), I questioned whether some individuals who report no subjective sexual attraction for others, a common definition of asexuality, have unusual sexual interests (i.e., paraphilias). Here (cf., Bogaert, in press-b), I describe a paraphilia that is consistent with a lack of subjective sexual attraction for others and involves a ‘‘disconnect’’between an individual’s sense of self and a sexual object/ target. I also present evidence that this type of paraphilia may characterize some individuals who evince no subjective attraction for others. Using Greek nomenclature—typical in the naming of sexual and other phenomena—I have called this paraphilia autochorissexualism. Thus, autochorissexualism is sex without (choris) one’s self/identity (auto) or‘‘identity-less’ sexuality’

 

 

"Given that some masturbating asexuals seek out stimulation through fantasy or pornography, arousal/pleasure mechanisms of their nervous system are engaged by this sexual stimulation. Yet, this stimulation is disconnected from their identities: It is, at least in part, an identity-less sexual arousal. Thus, these individuals still seem to retain a lack of subjective sexual attraction to others (or anything), despite physical arousal and seeking out persistent themes in fantasy and pornography

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22576251

 

 

 But the point is that with anegosexual people it isn't just one of their "forms" of getting sexual arousal, it's the only way they can experience sexual arousal. While a straight person for example could be aroused when imagining someone else having sex but they can also be aroused imagining themselves being an active participant in it.   With anegosexual people any time they imagine themselves being a part of it it doesn't compute and it's a turn off.   

 

   Ever since my teenage years I've always had the habit of making made up characters in mind. They aren't elaborate stories or anything, they don't even have names, it's just sexual scenarios and I just enjoy the rush it gives me and basically never masturbate while doing it. It almost felt like a hobby but I couldn't understand why it happened and why I had a vivid sexual mind but no interest in sex in real life or sexual attraction to real life people. I thought it was just because I'm too picky to be interested in any real life people and that relationships just aren't for me but the feeling that something was broken with me always lingered. I just masturbate one a month or less and usually need to watch porn first for it but it just takes a minute or so, I've tried to include myself in my head while doing it and it didn't work at all.   It's like "me" really doesn't exist in my "virtual sex life" and this "sex life" exists solely in mind and there's no interest from me to ever transform this into my real life. It's not voyeurism, I have no interest in watching other people having sex next to me in my real life. It works as if I'm the director or a TV show with made up characters.  

 

Some people also just think that having too many difficult words for everything is unecessary so they don't take seriously this definition,  but at least when it comes to my personal experience when I found the word "asexuality" existed most of what I've always felt made sense. I finally had word to describe it. But something was still missing because I felt no sexual atraction but I do have sexual fantasies in my mind, just never involving myself, and I couldn't explain why.  It was only when I found out the word "autochorisexuality" that finally everything about my sexuality clicked so for me it was a very important turning point. I think going against these words end up withholding this realization for other people.  I don't say to anyone that I'm asexual and autochorisexual since it's mostly unknown in my country and I'm not comfortable in saying it yet, but I know what I am and that's enough for me until now. 

 

 

"Do you mean it's the only way it gets some people through sex as they imagine they're someone else performing those activities?"

 

I've never had sex so I can't answer this but as I've explained "anegosexuality" isn't just something that people do while having sex, it's a word that explains the way they experience their sexuality as whole, hence why it's a subset of asexuality. I'm not sex repulsed per se (some anegosexual people are)  but I do wonder sometimes if I could have sex with someone, but I would have to tune out the other person completely and to get aroused I would have to imagine another scenario without myself in my mind, So I guess it maybe could work during real life sex. But me trying it would be solely out of curiosity to see if it's physically pleasurable. But all of this seems unecessary to me since I can be satisfied with my mind alone so why put myself through this situation? 

Edited February 24, 2020 by RedGloves

[ryn2]

Since we’re correcting, paraphilias are fetishes (most accurately, in the case of paraphiliac disorder, fetishes interfering with normal life enjoyment) rather than kinks.