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InquisitivePhilosopher
1 hour ago, James121 said:

...If you edit for reasons such as you missed something or notice grammatical errors, why on earth would you have an issue with it showing that you have edited it? There’s no logical reason to be concerned by it. 

 

See....I’ve edited and I’m not concerned!

Perhaps because others might be concerned that others might be judgemental and--due to seeing "edited by...." underneath all or most of their posts--might start thinking negatively about them or what they have to say, like, "Wow. That person edits their posts a lot; maybe they don't know what they're talking about because they make mistakes or edit their posts to add more thoughts."

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
47 minutes ago, James121 said:

like it particularly on PM because you can’t use language or say something that elicits a certain response and then alter what you originally said.

You mean like a comment someone said a year ago which was an open and honest answer to a question, the inappropriate response to which was then ignored? I was open about the edit in my report from what I remember, and also mentioned the edit to the Homer when I messaged him about the situation. 

 

There is *no excuse* for making the kinds of remarks you are referring to (edit: the ones made two-ish weeks ago are what was reported), to someone who a year ago made comments in a casual way that was not in any way intended to illicit a sexual response. You asked me a question and I responded openly because that's what I do, as anyone on AVEN who knows me can attest to: I'm an open book. I made it clear repeatedly that I was not  flirting, and when you responded inappropriately at that point (a year ago), I ignored you and didn't message you again beyond that point.

 

But again, I was very open about my edit to the mod I PMd originally (Homer) and the original content changes nothing, I just removed part of what was said because it had become apparent it was 'distracting' for you even though it was not meant that way at all.  I was under the assumption admods can see all edits made and can also see what was said originally, so it didn't make a difference to me one way or another. I figured they'd still be able to see it but it would be hidden from you so you could get your mind out of the gutter.

 

My comment from a year ago in no way gives you any right to make the kinds of remarks you did within the past few weeks. That's like saying a woman deserves to be catcalled if she's wearing tight clothes, (EDIT or if she wore tight clothes a year ago more accurately). And yes, I have the whole convo screencapped so no editing on your part can erase what was said and the order of events if I ever need it for 'evidence'.

 

 

43 minutes ago, James121 said:

I’m sorry I just think this is not a credible reason not to have it.

You know what is a credible reason not to have it? The fact that I could point to your last edited comment and claim you were making sexist remarks against women, or that you were revealing private information about another member, or that you were making transphobic remarks, or that you posted pornography. There is proof because it will show you edited your comment, and it's your word against mine that those things were said. Even other members can't attest as to whether or not the things I'm accusing you of were said, because maybe you edited before they saw. That's the main reason why this is an issue, because it'll make the mods job more complicated. 

 

Again though, it's just bizarre that they can't already see all edits made and what the original content actually said. Showing edits certainly won't help them at all if they can't see what was originally said.

 

36 minutes ago, James121 said:

The opposite of your argument is that you could write something really racist and without the edit showing, you could remove it and deny you ever wrote it and the post wouldn’t even display that you did edit it.

But again there should automatically be an option that the admods can see all that at their end anyway. And myself and many others edit almost every comment we make, so how is a mod meant to know it was edited for racism or because I spelled 'because' incorrectly? There's no way for the mod to know (if the software really is as crappy as they're making out) and there is ample opportunity for the system then to be abused by someone claiming any edit was made for a ToS breach when actually it was just a spelling mistake.

 

 

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Chimeric

@James121, I hate to break it to ya big guy, but opinions don't need to be "credible" and they certainly don't need to be justified to you. =]

 

I don't like it either. I type on mobile a lot and consequently make a lot of mistakes that I go back and clean up. I feel like people will be less suspicious about my potentially nefarious activity if they don't see it's been edited at all, instead of seeing it's been edited but with no reason given.

 

@SallyAbrings up a good point about the timing of reports, too.

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XYZ96

I don't like that an edited tag gets added to a post, even if you don't want it, I liked the old system with you can decide to say it was edited or not. I edit many of my posts, and I don't like that it says they're edited, because the vast majority of my edits are because of spelling, grammar mistakes or I left out a word, having an "edited" put on the end, just because you wrote "your" instead of "you're" and didn't notice it before you posted it, seems pointless, and makes the post look less clean in my opinion, I personally just don't want "edited" on most of my posts, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.

 

Having it be optional to put an "edited" on the post makes sense though because some edits are to add a bit of information, but for spelling and grammar mistakes I think having it say "edited" is pointless.

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
2 minutes ago, Chimeric said:

@SallyAbrings up a good point about the timing of reports, too

 

Yep. Someone won't know they've been reported until after they've been reported and had disciplinary action taken against them (been given a nudge or whatever). At that point, editing the post won't change anything.

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Scott1989
2 hours ago, James121 said:

I’m really pleased that this change has been made!

 

If you edit for reasons such as you missed something or notice grammatical errors, why on earth would you have an issue with it showing that you have edited it? There’s no logical reason to be concerned by it. 

 

See....I’ve edited and I’m not concerned!

I kniw what you mean but I do fall under this category.

 

I'm dyslexic and although very open about it, if I spot a mistake, I'd rather discretly correct it, without too much notice. The edit tag removes that discretion (I tend to type and submit without much thought of spelling or review)

 

Now is this an AVEN deal breaker for me? No as I was under the impression that admods could view edit history regardless but wouldn't bother without cause, so was ok then, and I'm not going to kick up a fuss about this.

 

Count me as in the anti edit tag group but I'm not going to fall out over it.

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The irony of needing this to fix a mistake at the end in this post of all places :(
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Traveler40

I vote to go back to how it was and agree with those against for the reasons already stated.

 

Based on how edits were approached previously and the warnings proffered in the text surrounding the posting of the edited remarks, I’d always assumed Admods could see any/all edits which is clearly how it should have been all along.  

 

Frankly, this announcement is slightly disturbing to know the actual limits of the team....

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iam135

I'm pretty indifferent about the matter, but y'all better be ready to see an edit watermark on virtually every one of my posts because I always manage to mess up something grammatically 😆.

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
26 minutes ago, Scott1989 said:

No as I was under the impression that admods could view edit history regardless but wouldn't bother without cause, so was ok then

Exactly!! The issue is that they apparently can't actually see edit history at all :o All they can see (apparently) is that a post was edited at some point, but not what the actual edits were. This baffles me because without them being able to see edits, how do they protect against people who will say ToS-breaking stuff to upset people, then change the comments before mods see?

 

And also, if someone edits their comment for a typo, someone else could claim they'd just said something that breaks ToS and the person has literally no defense because 1) the edit is there and 2) the mods apparently can't actually even read through the edits :o How the heck are they not able to view edit history and which edits were made?? I am astonished at this and think it's an incredibly unsafe way to conduct forum. Because for example,member 1 could send member 2 sexually harassing PMs. Member 2 might give member 1 the cold shoulder and make it very clear to member 2 they're not interested. member 2 might make typos (as everyone does) meaning she needs to edit her comments, but then might report member 1 for harassment. Member 1 can just say: 'oh no, she wanted it!! she's edited her comments so it makes it looks like she wasn't flirting with me but she was!!' and her edits will prove she edited her comments, but not why. So what?? Does the harasser get believed in this situation due to the edits or what???

 

 

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1 hour ago, InquisitivePhilosopher said:

Perhaps because others might be concerned that others might be judgemental and--due to seeing "edited by...." underneath all or most of their posts--might start thinking negatively about them or what they have to say, like, "Wow. That person edits their posts a lot; maybe they don't know what they're talking about because they make mistakes or edit their posts to add more thoughts."

Are there people out there judging others because they edit their posts?  Not being snarky, this is just something that would never cross my mind. I would be close to telling such people to get a life. 

 

As for me, I don't care. I liked the old system and don't see the need for the change, but if it stays, all I can say to those of you who look for subtext in my editing habits, it ain't there.  More than likely, I'm just correcting a typo.  

 

 

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James121
1 hour ago, Chimeric said:

@James121, I hate to break it to ya big guy, but opinions don't need to be "credible" and they certainly don't need to be justified to you. =]

 

I don't like it either. I type on mobile a lot and consequently make a lot of mistakes that I go back and clean up. I feel like people will be less suspicious about my potentially nefarious activity if they don't see it's been edited at all, instead of seeing it's been edited but with no reason given.

 

@SallyAbrings up a good point about the timing of reports, too.

No they don’t need to be justified to me but I have the right to call a load bs a load of bs. 

Funnily enough I have no issue with this and couldn’t care less if people are suspicious of an edit. If they are and they want to ask me why I edited something I will tell them.

What was sally’s So called good point as I haven’t seen it. I’ve seen one decent reservation thus far from someone who has dyslexia and the rest have been really silly concerns with no substance.

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James121
4 minutes ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

Exactly!! The issue is that they apparently can't actually see edit history at all :o All they can see (apparently) is that a post was edited at some point, but not what the actual edits were. This baffles me because without them being able to see edits, how do they protect against people who will say ToS-breaking stuff to upset people, then change the comments before mods see?

 

And also, if someone edits their comment for a typo, someone else could claim they'd just said something that breaks ToS and the person has literally no defense because 1) the edit is there and 2) the mods apparently can't actually even read through the edits :o How the heck are they not able to view edit history and which edits were made?? I am astonished at this and think it's an incredibly unsafe way to conduct forum. Because for example,member 1 could send member 2 sexually harassing PMs. Member 2 might give member 1 the cold shoulder and make it very clear to member 2 they're not interested. member 2 might make typos (as everyone does) meaning she needs to edit her comments, but then might report member 1 for harassment. Member 1 can just say: 'oh no, she wanted it!! she's edited her comments so it makes it looks like she wasn't flirting with me but she was!!' and her edits will prove she edited her comments, but not why. So what?? Does the harasser get believed in this situation due to the edits or what???

 

 

You’ve changed the size of your text. It’s distracting me.

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
4 minutes ago, iam135 said:

but y'all better be ready to see an edit watermark on virtually every one of my posts because I always manage to mess up something grammatically 😆.

And if someone gets a vendetta against you (which happens all the time on AVEN for some reason) they could say you were saying ToS breaking stuff and had to edit all your comments to hide it. Your only defense will be 'I didn't say those things' but you edited your comments.. soooo... who is to be believed? No one can come to your defense because maybe you edited the comments before anyone else other than the member who reported you saw the comments. That's why it's an issue. The more edits you have to make the easier target you'll be (I also make constant edits, by the way). 

 

1 minute ago, James121 said:

I’ve seen one decent reservation thus far from someone who has dyslexia and the rest have been really silly concerns with no substance.

Most of the people who have commented have expressed concerns over the amount of mistakes they make and not wanting people to see that. Does it only count if someone has dyslexia? Because a LOT of people have trouble with keyboards and I personally have an eye condition that makes the black on white almost impossible for me to see, hence why I write in colour whenever I get the chance. On mobile I am stuck with black text, but on PC I write in colour because it's much easier for me to see what I'm doing. That's why I have to make so many edits on mobile though. A lot of people have this same concern to some degree or another. They don't like that people can see how bad their typing is and want to be able to correct it without the whole world knowing. 

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Philip027

Every other forum I've been a part of where editing posts is possible, the watermark was compulsory.

 

Don't really care, so long as you can (optionally) still put a reason for editing to make it clear you only fixed a typo or something if you want.

 

I do have to say that an issue that is far more concerning to me is if (as seemingly indicated) edit logs are not kept for mods to see.  Other forums I'm on usually make it explicitly clear in their rules that editing posts will not allow you to get around a TOS breaking post that mods were already made aware of due to being previously reported.

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James121
1 hour ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

I was open about the edit in my report from what I remember, and also mentioned the edit to the Homer when I messaged him about the situation. 

Coincidentally the edit was made the same the day before the report was made. Pull the other one.

 

1 hour ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

My comment from a year ago in no way gives you any right to make the kinds of remarks you did within the past few weeks. 

No one will ever know what was sent from your end though.....

 

Because coincidentally you edited it all out. 

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ryn2
3 minutes ago, Philip027 said:

Every other forum I've been a part of where editing posts is possible, the watermark was compulsory.

I’m only regularly active on one other forum and it works more like this used to - you can choose whether or not to have it show that you’ve edited your posts - but behind the scenes the admods can see everything.

 

The convention people follow there is to not mark edits for typos, just for substantive changes that warrant people rereading what you’ve posted as it’s no longer the same content/opinion-wise as it was when they originally posted it.

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ryn2
16 minutes ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

The issue is that they apparently can't actually see edit history at all :o All they can see (apparently) is that a post was edited at some point, but not what the actual edits were.

Is this correct, admods?  Seems like that should be correctable via a (series of) setting change(s).

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
2 minutes ago, James121 said:

You’ve changed the size of your text. It’s distracting me.

Again, the black text. I cannot SEE it, hence why my typing is usually large and coloured. I shouldn't have had to explain that but I have talked about it here before when people have bitched about my writing.

 

https://dm-ed.com/info/contrast-sensitivity/

 

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How contrast sensitivity/Irlen Syndrome causes reading difficulties

For me that is very hard to read. Some people find the same effect with black text on a white background.

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For me that is very hard to read. Some people find the same effect with black text on a white background.

If your child complains of “the text moving around” on the page, or that the white on the page hurts the eyes, that will be the reason.

 

 

Well I have actual screencaps of the messages I sent where I explained that I'd edited that one comment. I edited because when you made the comment you did recently, I realized you'd read more in to my response from a YEAR before than what was there, hence why I deleted it. And that's after I'd ignored you for literally a whole year. The comment I reported wasn't even anything to do with what was said last year, it was what you said THIS year that I reported. After asking if we could 'kiss and make up' on cam. Yuck. Seriously, you can try to talk your way out of it all you want but it doesn't change what you did and what you said. Again, I have all the screencaps from both the convo itself and the messages I sent to mods (I screencap everything because sometimes mods remove stuff). So yeah, you should drop it because you're only making yourself look worse. Your behavior is literally disgusting James and I can't believe you'd bring it up in the forums here, and even suggest I tried to illicit it when I very clearly gave you the cold shoulder other than honestly answering your question when you asked 'why don't you enjoy sex?'. I guess you're just upset because you got turned down but really, you should be disgusted and ashamed at your own actions. 

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
Just now, ryn2 said:

Is this correct, admods?  Seems like that should be correctable via a (series of) setting change(s).

It's what I gathered from Heart's OP, she seems to be saying that the mods can't see edits AT ALL, hence why they wanted to make this change so they could at least see if an edit has been made (which again, is just silly. Because how are they meant to know if it was to fix a typo or to erase racist comments?? they can't know if they can't read what was said!). I agree, there MUST be a setting at their end where they can see all the edits that were made and what was said originally at their end. 

 

4 minutes ago, ryn2 said:

I’m only regularly active on one other forum and it works more like this used to - you can choose whether or not to have it show that you’ve edited your posts - but behind the scenes the admods can see everything.

Yep, it's same for me with the other forums I've been on. And one I modded for a time. Behind the scenes you can see all the edits people made, and what was said at each edit. 

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5 minutes ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

Again, the black text. I cannot SEE it, hence why my typing is usually large and coloured. I shouldn't have had to explain that but I have talked about it here before when people have bitched about my writing.

 

https://dm-ed.com/info/contrast-sensitivity/

 

 

Well I have actual screencaps of the messages I sent where I explained that I'd edited that one comment. I edited because when you made the comment you did recently, I realized you'd read more in to my response from a YEAR before than what was there, hence why I deleted it. And that's after I'd ignored you for literally a whole year. The comment I reported wasn't even anything to do with what was said last year, it was what you said THIS year that I reported. After asking if we could 'kiss and make up' on cam. Yuck. Seriously, you can try to talk your way out of it all you want but it doesn't change what you did and what you said. Again, I have all the screencaps from both the convo itself and the messages I sent to mods (I screencap everything because sometimes mods remove stuff). So yeah, you should drop it because you're only making yourself look worse. Your behavior is literally disgusting James and I can't believe you'd bring it up in the forums here, and even suggest I tried to illicit it when I very clearly gave you the cold shoulder other than honestly answering your question when you asked 'why don't you enjoy sex?'. I guess you're just upset because you got turned down but really, you should be disgusted and ashamed at your own actions. 

I just figured it was you shouting. The text always gets bigger when you’re angry.

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Tanwen
3 hours ago, James121 said:

But you have the opportunity to write why you have edited the post. I don’t see why people are making such a big deal of it. What is there to hide about the edit?

Because sometimes people write things in haste, then they may regret what they said and change/delete it. It's happened to me, and I'm not alone. And I think it's a general rule that the best editing is down after you hit the 'Send' button :lol:  . Nothing wrong, nothing sinister, no hidden agenda 

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
15 minutes ago, Philip027 said:

I do have to say that an issue that is far more concerning to me is if (as seemingly indicated) edit logs are not kept for mods to see.  Other forums I'm on usually make it explicitly clear in their rules that editing posts will not allow you to get around a TOS breaking post that mods were already made aware of due to being previously reported.

Yes that's the issue I have with all this, mostly. I honestly just always assumed they could see all the edits you made here so there was no way to get around breaking ToS by editing stuff out.

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
1 minute ago, James121 said:

I just figured it was you shouting. The text always gets bigger when you’re angry.

Nope, it's always size 16 and a bright purple, orange, blue, or green when I am able to use those options. ie on comp. On phone, I can usually get the text bigger but it won't let me change the colour. So now you have your answer.

 

Sometimes I am in too much of a hurry to edit the formatting on mobile so just type as-is and post. Then I see all the horrendous typos and have to rush to fix them before people see. You can assume it only happens when I'm angry but I'm actually more likely to be typing in a hurry if I'm pissed off  so there's more chance I won't have time to format properly on mobile. 

 

 

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InquisitivePhilosopher
3 hours ago, James121 said:

But you have the opportunity to write why you have edited the post. I don’t see why people are making such a big deal of it. What is there to hide about the edit?

That would now an extra-added hassle for members, having to waste time explaining why they edited their posts. Sometimes, members have chosen to delete their posts later on, due to feeling uncomfortable later on about the personal content they'd written (about their personal lives); so, now, they'd have to reveal their personal reason, in front of everyone.

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Tanwen
7 minutes ago, Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?) said:

Yes that's the issue I have with all this, mostly. I honestly just always assumed they could see all the edits you made here so there was no way to get around breaking ToS by editing stuff out.

Think we're all guilty of posting in haste. I don't see anything wrong with someone having a change of heart and correcting it. As has been said, we don't KNOW we've been reported, so can't edit to get ourselves out of trouble

 

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3 hours ago, James121 said:

But you have the opportunity to write why you have edited the post. I don’t see why people are making such a big deal of it. What is there to hide about the edit?

I find it unlikely that someone who assumes an edit was malicious/made to hide something would then turn around and believe “I did this to fix a typo” in the edit reason box.

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Kimmie.

Yeah the fact that mods can´t see edits in post is a bit disturbing.

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)
Just now, Frankentan said:

Think we're all guilty of posting in haste. I don't see anything wrong with someone having a change of heart and correcting it. As has been said, we don't KNOW we've been reported, so can't edit to get ourselves out of trouble

 

Well as I've said myself, I usually have to edit every post I make multiple times just because my typing is so bad that sometimes whole sentences make very little sense initially, or even worse autocorrect gets me (sometimes even very offensive stuff, like it turned someone's name here into 'sweetie cock' one time Y_Y they saw before I even had a chance to edit but at least I was able to edit after so no one else saw. I apologized to them profusely but I still feel awful) 😕 I feel we should be allowed to edit these embarrassing things without everyone having to know we made an edit!!

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Tanwen

auto-correct 🤬 - sorry, but I did have to laugh at what it turned the name into :lol: 

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James121
6 minutes ago, ryn2 said:

I find it unlikely that someone who assumes an edit was malicious/made to hide something would then turn around and believe “I did this to fix a typo” in the edit reason box.

So what’s your solution then? Have it so that no one can see they edited at all?

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