Tyke Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Blaiddmelyn said: Cymru am byth! Are you feeling confident about the Rugby on Saturday? Should be a thriller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blaiddmelyn Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Midland Tyke said: Are you feeling confident about the Rugby on Saturday? Should be a thriller I'm a terrible Welsh person and rarely watch rugby ... but i have faith in our boys. They're pretty good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Rygbi y'wr gorau Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iff Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 hours ago, timewarp said: First of all, by-elections do not happen if these MPs don't step down. And they shouldn't, because they are constituency MPs, not party MPs. The big parties are talking bs and what's more they are being worryingly anti-democratic. New parties should be part of a healthy democracy. But not enough that the British system is wildly against them as it is, the existing parties are trying to make it even more impossible. The only difference to socialist countries being that there are a handful of established parties, not just one. The second aspect is that in either case (deal or no deal) the majority of legislation still needs to get through parliament. What has happened so far was just a warm-up exercise. Yes, the task of leaving the European Union after all those years is that overwhelmingly huge. It's like Skycaptain ditching the Mercedes and deciding to custom-build a taxi. The Tories never had any objection about ukip meps resigning from ukip and joining them remaining as meps and the UK still vote for meps as a list system What about when a councillor resigns from their party and join either of the two big parties. Do the two big parties object that they should resign the seat too. No. What would be the cost of running 11 bye elections? £240,000 each https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29540785 So £2.7 million altogether 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 http://news.sky.com/story/labour-defectors-must-stand-for-re-election-says-jeremy-corbyn-11643512 Seems like we are in for a flurry of by elections before we get to the photo finish... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, chandrakirti said: http://news.sky.com/story/labour-defectors-must-stand-for-re-election-says-jeremy-corbyn-11643512 Seems like we are in for a flurry of by elections before we get to the photo finish... Why does Corbyn have the authority to tell them that? They have resigned from Labour. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Exactly what I was thinking! Another insight into his style. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I suppose he has to put his pennyworth in to appear like he's in control of the situation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Corbout can't even control his own tongue, never mind anything else. What we need is a few more Tories to act as they talk, and become independent. Labour MP's resigning doesn't affect the Conservative -DUP Alliance majority in the Commons. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timewarp Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 8 hours ago, iff said: The Tories never had any objection about ukip meps resigning from ukip and joining them remaining as meps and the UK still vote for meps as a list system What about when a councillor resigns from their party and join either of the two big parties. Do the two big parties object that they should resign the seat too. No. What would be the cost of running 11 bye elections? £240,000 each https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29540785 So £2.7 million altogether We spend 350 millions per week on the EU. Let's have 130 by-elections instead. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Homer Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, timewarp said: We spend 350 millions per week on the EU. Let's have 130 by-elections instead. You should paint that on a bus. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 That's roughly the quantity of nursing and medical staff who have left since that bus! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ortac Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I think that next time the UK has a general election, every constituency should shun all representatives of political parties and elect an independent MP. That would make things REALLY interesting. (Yes I know that would never actually happen, I am just musing) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Telecaster68 said: it'd just be a bunch of people espousing mutually contradictory ideas. That's the Cabinet 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Telecaster68 said: There's a lot to provoke cynicism about the party system, especially at the moment, but what they're meant to do, and mostly have done, is give a coherence to the political programme, otherwise it'd just be a bunch of people espousing mutually contradictory ideas. Yes -- that's the state of politics in Israel right now. It's even more incoherent than the UK. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'm with Anna Soubry, Michael Sheen and the last leg team.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Trouble is that no politician is prepared to say Brexit is wrong, no matter that it is the unequivocal truth 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Skycaptain said: Trouble is that no politician is prepared to say Brexit is wrong, no matter that it is the unequivocal truth 8 minutes ago, Telecaster68 said: A few have but not enough to come close to making it a politically acceptable stance. It's politically very difficult to say 'the voters are idiots'. Sky seems comfortable saying it, though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Telecaster68 said: They're journalists. Haha - I meant @Skycaptain 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 @Midland Tyke, I'm not a politician However I'm quite happy to turn Britain into a Skyocracy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tyke Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skycaptain said: @Midland Tyke, I'm not a politician However I'm quite happy to turn Britain into a Skyocracy I suspect the Scots would want to leave 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daveb Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Midland Tyke said: I suspect the Scots would want to leave Except for the Isle of Skye faction... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeChat Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Midland Tyke said: Haha - I meant @Skycaptain Now, we know where Sky really works. Skycaptain= "Head Manager of Sky News." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timewarp Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Skycaptain said: Trouble is that no politician is prepared to say Brexit is wrong, no matter that it is the unequivocal truth 8 hours ago, Telecaster68 said: A few have but not enough to come close to making it a politically acceptable stance. It's politically very difficult to say 'the voters are idiots'. This is one of the many ugly consequences of first past the post. Politicians are desperately trying to appeal to everybody and in a polarised and heated up situation like now that's impossible. What they achieve is to be equally unappealing to everybody. Not that proportional representation is perfect, but it's easier to reach out to a minority and still get elected. Just look at the success of the Greens in Germany and compare that to the Caroline Lucas show we have here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Midland Tyke said: I suspect the Scots would want to leave 8 hours ago, daveb said: Except for the Isle of Skye faction... They don't even follow Scots law there never mind UK law! That's why I love it! (Honestly! Can't turn my back without being teased in my absence!😆) There are murmurings of extending the time/maybe backtracking on it around the news sites today though...and also of ditching May for the next phase of Brexit. Seems a shame. The real culprit was Cameron and now he's sunning himself 'scot free' and with no regrets... I feel a bit sorry for May, she inherited a poison chalice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
timewarp Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, chandrakirti said: I feel a bit sorry for May, she inherited a poison chalice! I refuse to feel sorry for the author of the Hostile Environment which has caused thousands of British people with a migration background, the Windrush generation and others, distress. It's a big disgrace and it's a shame that it's still not got rid of, together with the person who is responsible for it, Theresa May. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Also she nominated herself for the position. It wasn't forced upon her. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Yes, on those accounts I wholeheartedly agree! But on the Brexit front... I don't envy her position. So how come Cameron isn't being held to account for opening this can of worms in the first place. UK has always been divided down the middle and sleeping dogs should have been left to lie. I can't help thinking he's just getting on with his life after messing up the whole UK ...a bit like Philip Green with BHS... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iff Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I agree with @chandrakirti on this. A tweet I saw summed it up very well "The problem with brexit is not Theresa may. The problem with brexit is brexit itself" This was an internal policy difference between Tories that cameron put in to the manifesto to appease eurosceptic backbenchers and it has turned into a national crisis for the UK. Cameron 2015 - I put this promise for a referendum in our manifesto but I didn't expect to win a majority and to be held to account on it Brexiteers 2016 - we made these promises (immigration, £350m for the NHS, taking back control) in the referendum but we didn't expect to win the referendum and be held to account on it. If you don't expect to win, you can promise the voters the world and never be held to account. This is standard political practice. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jetsun Milarepa Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Yes @iffIt's a classic example of going to the polls on something that divides your own party in the faint hope it'll cure your own ills...then everything just got sick..😆 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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