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1 hour ago, Ortac said:

the people at large should not be expected or trusted to make such fundamentally important decisions because they are, for want of a more polite term, too stupid.

 

The main problem with democracy.  

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4 hours ago, daveb said:

John Oliver has a recent show about Brexit on his show, Last Week Tonight (I don't know if this can be played outside the US)

 

Besides all of the stuff about Brexit one thing that surprised me was when he said the segment showing Parliament couldn't be shown in comedy shows in the UK so for the UK airing of his show they have to put in different video. 

It is available here but that might he a time lock after it aired on sky Atlantic.

 

At least if sky Atlantic block brexit section now I'll refer back to this video :d

3 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-satire-ban-house-of-commons-charlie-brooker-tories-a6909391.html

 

And it turns out the last person to clarify that position was one Chris Grayling, more recently known as the man who gave a massive government shipping contract to a company with no ships. 

And a myriad of a lot of other mess ups, if the last leg list is right.

11 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

Resigned from the Labour Party and will sit as a group of independents, according to the Guardian. 

 

Bit odd that. There's a lot of talk of some non Corbynites forming a breakaway party though, so maybe they're expecting the situation to change imminently. 

I find the resignation of seats to stand in bye elections for the same seat again to be a bit gimmicky. 

 

What would be the cost of these bye elections?

 

 

If they were elected under a list system, then I would see the point of  resigning the seat but they are elected as individuals (albeit as part of the party)

 

Maybe should adopt aven rules where when a moderator resigns, they can't run in the next election for their former position. ;)

 

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Guest Jetsun Milarepa

Shame not to be able to see the show @daveb, it's probably just what's needed here. You know what they say, a fresh eye and all that!

I don't know the show or presenter and would love to! Seems there's censorship at play here.

Our comedy isn't in depth, usually more satirical. That says a lot!

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12 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

And it turns out the last person to clarify that position was one Chris Grayling, more recently known as the man who gave a massive government shipping contract to a company with no ships. 

I think it was a simple misunderstanding. Chris Grayling said he wanted ships and they heard "chips", so they developed an entire business concept for a new take-away. Apparently they were also planning to sell pizza.

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Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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9 hours ago, chandrakirti said:

Shame not to be able to see the show @daveb, it's probably just what's needed here. You know what they say, a fresh eye and all that!

I don't know the show or presenter and would love to! Seems there's censorship at play here.

Our comedy isn't in depth, usually more satirical. That says a lot!

I didn't want to assume that since John Oliver is British that all Brits would know of him. Could've been he was not popular over there (and maybe that's why he came here). Here, comedians and comedy shows can show clips of Congress all they want, and I think it's a good thing that they can do that and make fun of them. I agree with your Burns' quote, too. :) 

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13 minutes ago, Telecaster68 said:

I am your king and I order you to be quiet! 

Come on, seriously? What kind of King plays a Tele? All three of them played Gibson and there must be a reason for it.

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7 minutes ago, timewarp said:

Come on, seriously? What kind of King plays a Tele? All three of them played Gibson and there must be a reason for it.

Because they were wise?

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1 hour ago, Telecaster68 said:

I am your king and I order you to be quiet! 

Oh, now we see the violence inherent to the system. COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT TO THE SYSTEM! Help! HELP! I'm being repressed!!

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For those who don't know, I have been informed by a fellow admod that the post by nolanv is just a quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail " rather than being snarky against women 

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In fairness, even if it wasn't a quote, it is true that women throwing swords at people isn't a basis for a system of government. Otherwise you can bet I'd be grabbing as many swords as I could to chuck at people, just to see chaos ensue.

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3 hours ago, Blaiddmelyn said:

In fairness, even if it wasn't a quote, it is true that women throwing swords at people isn't a basis for a system of government. Otherwise you can bet I'd be grabbing as many swords as I could to chuck at people, just to see chaos ensue.

Hell yes.  

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So I have an idea thats so crazy it might work-we just ask for more and more time to sort out Brexit. Give it say 20 years and eventually the government of the day might just say "screw it, shall we just stay?" And the whole thing gets dropped. This might be our best option. 

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4 hours ago, ben8884 said:

So I have an idea thats so crazy it might work-we just ask for more and more time to sort out Brexit. Give it say 20 years and eventually the government of the day might just say "screw it, shall we just stay?" And the whole thing gets dropped. This might be our best option. 

20 years doesn't seem like an awful lot of time given that the debate was already going on in the 70s. Let's face it - Brexit is the British Schrödinger's cat.

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But will the box ever be opened to collapse the quantum state?

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The way things are going, the "Independent Group" will have a parliamentary majority in a couple of weeks 

 

*wishful thinking*

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It's certainly interesting to see how many more might join them. With this completely messed up situation in British politics, who would be able to predict if they have a chance or not? Right now everything seems possible.

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Guest Jetsun Milarepa

Well it's a bit late to form a new political party in the scheme of Brexit.

I can't see how they can Make a difference before 29th.

Anna Soubry's constituency are probably goibg to have a by election now and if others do likewise it seems a waste of energy when we're so close to the wire.

Nice to be able to sit on the sidelines neutrally for this.

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First of all, by-elections do not happen if these MPs don't step down. And they shouldn't, because they are constituency MPs, not party MPs. The big parties are talking bs and what's more they are being worryingly anti-democratic. New parties should be part of a healthy democracy. But not enough that the British system is wildly against them as it is, the existing parties are trying to make it even more impossible. The only difference to socialist countries being that there are a handful of established parties, not just one.

 

The second aspect is that in either case (deal or no deal) the majority of legislation still needs to get through parliament. What has happened so far was just a warm-up exercise. Yes, the task of leaving the European Union after all those years is that overwhelmingly huge. It's like Skycaptain ditching the Mercedes and deciding to custom-build a taxi.

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Just now, Telecaster68 said:

Or in a more geek friendly analogy, ditching OS X and deciding to create your own flavour of Linux. 

Got that wrong. What actually happened was ditching Linux and creating your ("you" being Apple) own flavour of BSD (aka Mac OS). It's still crap.

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8 hours ago, timewarp said:

It's like Skycaptain ditching the Mercedes and deciding to custom-build a taxi.

 

8 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

Or in a more geek friendly analogy, ditching OS X and deciding to create your own flavour of Linux. 

Or another analogy, the one that I have had in my head for ages, is that it is like ditching your employer's pension scheme or some other multi member pension scheme in favour of setting up your own pension fund.

 

I have actually looked into this, and concluded that it is just not worth doing it. In a multi member pension scheme, you have a set list of funds from which to select where you want your money invested, and the scheme charges an annual fee. Might seem like a raw deal when you first look at it, but it turns out that to set up a personal pension scheme where you have no limitation on where you can invest and don't pay any fees to someone else to operate the scheme is so extremely complicated, and the other costs incurred will overall be far more than any fees charged by a multi member scheme.

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4 minutes ago, Telecaster68 said:

But what if your group pension benefits some (whisper it) French people too? 

:huh: bah... Je ne comprends pas ce-que tu veux dire???

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2 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

Good Lord. Blighter speaks foreign! 

Hey, it was a real question! I really genuinely didn't understand the point you were making!

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... and besides, it's only French! You Brits all learn it in school so it's not going to be too alien to you. I mean, you could have someone doing something really, really outrageous here, something ten times worse... like speaking Welsh! :P

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1 hour ago, Ortac said:

... and besides, it's only French! You Brits all learn it in school so it's not going to be too alien to you. I mean, you could have someone doing something really, really outrageous here, something ten times worse... like speaking Welsh! :P

Cymru am byth!

 

Rydw i'n hoffi coffi.

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