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A place to discuss British politics. Everything from May to Brexit to Corbyn to Politics at large. 

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Yangster

brexit bad, corbyn good

 

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Lichley

 They really should’ve come up with a better deal by now. If they were fully supporting leave as a party then they should have made plans for better negotiations to leave. 

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OptimisticPessimist

I still don't understand Brexit. 

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29 minutes ago, Lichley said:

 They really should’ve come up with a better deal by now. If they were fully supporting leave as a party then they should have made plans for better negotiations to leave. 

but a more acceptable deal to uk parliament still have to pass through each of the other 27 parliaments in the EU (as well as autonomous regions like wallonie, flanders etc)  so it might pass the uk parliament but then Poland or Sweden or Ireland (considering the make up of the irish parliament, a deal with a hard border between ireland and northern ireland would be difficult to get through as government has only 56 seats and needs 79 seats to pass it so are reliant either on support from the nationalist fianna fail or 23 of the independent/smaller parties) or any of the other 24 parliaments may vote against ratifying it

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Yangster
41 minutes ago, OptimisticPessimist said:

I still don't understand Brexit. 

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Sally

Brexit bad; Corbyn bad; May bad.  

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Skycaptain

Corbout very bad - even Trotsky, Marx and Castro would have regarded him as too left wing to actually run a sustainable country. He'd invite Putin to annexe Britain without a shout being fired. 

 

Brexit - ruination for the country 

 

May - stubborn, but cannot govern 300ish Tory MP's, never mind a country, and is being ruled by 10 DUP members 

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iff

I find corbyn is a very bad labour leader.

 

With may's brexit debacle, if labour had a barely competent leader properly able to challenge may, they would have a good lead in support. The best thing for may is the very weak leadership of labour from corbyn.

 

He is an inept and ineffectual leader and has damaged labour through it in a time, they could be really taking advantage of the chaoticnessat number 10. 

 

Labour policy under corbyn on brexit is neither cogent nor coherent, though not surprising considering this from 2015

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-politics-labour-corbyn-idUKKCN0RB1IK20150911

 

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14 hours ago, OptimisticPessimist said:

I still don't understand Brexit. 

And neither do many of the people who voted for it, which makes it all the more appalling that it is happening.

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Moonman

At this point I'm wondering if the options are simply this deal or a slightly amended one being passed by Parliment or us leaving the EU with no deal.

 

Support for a second referendum seems pretty light with Vince Cable being the only significant figure in British politics to be publicly backing that . Extending Article 50 is an option but not one being considered by this government. I heard on Sky News that they have legislation for a Brexit with a deal and a Brexit without a deal and they are sticking to the 29th March as the date that legislation is put into effect.

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timewarp

I must say I find it absolutely incredible that the arch Brexiter James Dyson has decided to move his company headquarters to Singapore. As if it was not enough already to manufacture in Malaysia. If Brexit is as good for British businesses as he claims, why doesn't he set an example?

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Dreamsexual

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Skycaptain

Problem with Brexit is that it is not a clear decision. The margin was less than 52-48, so it is not a clear will of the people. If the margin had been say 60-40 in either direction there would have been a clear mandate. 

 

I think Dyson has moved because since the Brexit vote all those willing to do manual work, namely our migrant workforce, have left, plus taxes etc are less over there. 

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On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 9:39 AM, Skycaptain said:

Problem with Brexit is that it is not a clear decision. The margin was less than 52-48, so it is not a clear will of the people

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timewarp
1 hour ago, Skycaptain said:

I think Dyson has moved because since the Brexit vote all those willing to do manual work, namely our migrant workforce, have left, plus taxes etc are less over there. 

Thing is all the manual work has been done in Malaysia for many years already. The people employed in Britain are mostly highly qualified engineers.

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ben8884

So the People's Vote Campaign has decided to withdraw their bill for a third referendum because Corbyn will back one after an election. Basically, Corbyn reckons he can be PM and cares more about that than doing whats best to end the gridlock. 

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Sally
On 1/19/2019 at 12:03 PM, Moonman said:

At this point I'm wondering if the options are simply this deal or a slightly amended one being passed by Parliment or us leaving the EU with no deal.

 

Certainly sounds like it.

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Guest Jetsun Milarepa

The Queen has waded in tentatively with some scarcely veiled comments about pulling together...

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Sally
31 minutes ago, chandrakirti said:

The Queen has waded in tentatively with some scarcely veiled comments about pulling together...

Wow.  She doesn't do that, does she?

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Skycaptain

@Sally, as a general rule she doesn't make public statements about political matters. However the prime minister and the Queen have regular meetings, so the government will know exactly what her viewpoint is 

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daveb

Just curious, no judgement intended, but pulling together how?

 

Just relating it to the US currently, I'm not sure what "pulling together" here would entail. With the UK and Brexit and all I am even more clueless. :) 

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timewarp
2 hours ago, daveb said:

Just curious, no judgement intended, but pulling together how?

You will certainly not get any detailed suggestions from the Queen about that. Giving a few hints in very broad and general terms is about as far as she ever goes. In this recent intervention she hasn't said much more than how nice it would be if people showed a bit of respect for each other and for each other's opinions.

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Skycaptain

A divided government has split the country in two, and I doubt much short of civil war will sort this clusterfuck out :mad:

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On 1/23/2019 at 11:34 AM, timewarp said:

Thing is all the manual work has been done in Malaysia for many years already. The people employed in Britain are mostly highly qualified engineers.

Coincidentally Singapore and Eu signed a free trade agreement only 3 months ago

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1926

 

My understanding is a big part in moving the corporate headquarters is to do with intellectual property of the company.

 

With the common market, it meant dyson patents would go from Ireland to Estonia, Sweden to Italy etc etc etc but by leaving the eea, a loss in the protection of the patents could occur.

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Guest Jetsun Milarepa

..looks like they're playing at brinkmanship now. Rumours seem to abound in the press that some concessions are about to be made (we'll see that when it happens!).

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Cheshire-Cat

I do wonder what the original referendum result would have had the public been given a realistic idea about what the end result of Brexit might be. I mean lets be honest, a hard border was NEVER going to be a possibility because of Ireland and the only real way to solve that would be to give Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. The EU were never going to give in to every demand make by the UK because then other countries where there's political unrest may look to follow suit. There's been other countries mention the possibility but I think seeing what a cluster Brexit has been may well put them off! For me there should be a second referendum. Accept May's deal, leave with no deal, or remain. And give people the knowledge they need to make an INFORMED decision, because let's be honest, the first referendum didn't allow that.

 

I wonder why May is so scared of holding a second referendum. Maybe because she'd see that the last 2 years of her life have been a complete waste of time and money?

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Sally
9 hours ago, chandrakirti said:

..looks like they're playing at brinkmanship now. Rumours seem to abound in the press that some concessions are about to be made (we'll see that when it happens!).

That could be correctly said about the US right now.

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timewarp
1 hour ago, Cheshire-Cat said:

And give people the knowledge they need to make an INFORMED decision

That's not possible. The only way to find out is to try out what happens.

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Cheshire-Cat
4 minutes ago, timewarp said:

That's not possible. The only way to find out is to try out what happens.

But it would be significantly more informed than the previous referendum. We would actually know what's on offer for one.

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