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20 minutes ago, AliceAbernathy said:

Likely self-loathing.

Not in the least.  

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On 8/17/2018 at 1:12 PM, AliceAbernathy said:

No. People don't inherit the sins of our fathers. This is one reason why I am so vitriolic toward liberals because they hate me and people of my skin color. Why? Because we committed the unpardonable sin of being born white. Yes, who is guilty does matter.

Lol, you're so funny, you think people like me, the "liberals" hate you because of your skin color? Please. Then I'd be hating around half of my blood. We hate ignorance and arrogance. And if you're so adamant about guilt, then fine. The Africans who sold pan-africans are guilty, as well as Arabs, and *gasp, so are white people! Wow.

 

And you may say that no one alive is guilty of slavery, and slavery doesn't exist anymore...but you'll fine evidence than there are more Black people imprisoned harshly than any other race, a policy started right after slavery for the benefit of free and menial labor, perhaps look up how much stuff is made by prisoners?

(Reference: 13th, Ava DuVernay)

 

If people don't inherit the sins of their fathers, then why is evil a tangible measureable aspect that can be traced from father to son, even from the amount of family members in prison?

 

It's not a sin to be born white, but it is a sin to know that your ancestors crippled many races of people, and continue to benefit from the after effects of imperalism, knowing that others who are different to you are suffering, but knowing that to fix a broken system to work for everyone, will to just that. Work for everyone, which means your race won't be in power anymore.

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On 8/17/2018 at 6:45 PM, E said:

 

I can't and certainly won't contest that governments of the past have done shitty things and not lived up to their word. But if we're going to talk about the subject, then let's break it down. How would something like this be done? Where's the money coming from to do it? Where's the land coming from to do it?

 

Forgive my haziness. But at some point 40 acres and a mule where mentioned. Let's just cut the mule out for a moment and do some math on 40 acres. Is that 40 acres per person? Or is it a group deal like a native reserve?

 

Because if we're saying 40 acres per person, a quick look at 2015 survey on a wikipedia page puts black population in the states at just under thirty nine million. With some rough math assuming every person got forty acres that translates to 1,551,429,040. For a really rough reference, a couple years ago the top northern half of my province, Saskatchewan, had 500,000 acres burned to ash from wildfires. The size of my province alone outclasses a fair portion of States down in the US save for Texas or Alaska. And I guess obviously we can't cram thirty nine million people into 40 acres so the old timey government was either completely mentally deficient(granted there weren't thirty nine million black folk back then in the states) or they never had the intention of living up to the promise to begin with(you don't have to look very far to know that governments bluff all the time). As a feasible reality in today's world, that promise isn't possible. And it probably wasn't back then either. In fact it's more likely the governing body at the time never intended to deliver to begin with.

 

That's certainly no justification, but with math like that, it should be a reality check. The promises made then can't be done today. But maybe something else can be worked out. (My inner cycnic finds that pie in the sky.)

Um no. Every formerly enslaved "family unit" or singular persons, were supposed to receive the ever mystical and ellusive 40 acres and a mule, but there's not much land yo go around these days, so the it would be monetary payment, which would be equivalent to the amount of money that is worth today, which, like I said, is very similar to the benefits Native Americans already receive, around a lump sum of $50,000-$60,000 U.S. dollars for 40 acres? Plus yearly installments of "land tax exemptions", I'm not smart enough to calculate that though XD.

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14 minutes ago, The Dryad said:

Lol, you're so funny, you think people like me, the "liberals" hate you because of your skin color? Please. Then I'd be hating around half of my blood. We hate ignorance and arrogance. And if you're so adamant about guilt, then fine. The Africans who sold pan-africans are guilty, as well as Arabs, and *gasp, so are white people! Wow.

 

And you may say that no one alive is guilty of slavery, and slavery doesn't exist anymore...but you'll fine evidence than there are more Black people imprisoned harshly than any other race, a policy started right after slavery for the benefit of free and menial labor, perhaps look up how much stuff is made by prisoners?

(Reference: 13th, Ava DuVernay)

 

If people don't inherit the sins of their fathers, then why is evil a tangible measureable aspect that can be traced from father to son, even from the amount of family members in prison?

 

It's not a sin to be born white, but it is a sin to know that your ancestors crippled many races of people, and continue to benefit from the after effects of imperalism, knowing that others who are different to you are suffering, but knowing that to fix a broken system to work for everyone, will to just that. Work for everyone, which means your race won't be in power anymore.

Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks.

 

You will also find that blacks commit crime at a higher rate than other races. (Source F.B.I. Crime Statistics)

 

Whatever you do is on you not on your father. The idea of original sin is one of the most ridiculous in religon even.

 

All races benefit from that. Whites have worked to fix a "broken system". Whites started the NAACP, passed the 13th amendment, passed affirmative action legislation, dying in the civil war, being mutilated in the civil war. People of all races in the U.S. reach positions of power and success.

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On ‎8‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 4:39 PM, The Dryad said:

I think you have to understand the environment that the original Black Panther Party came from, and just how truly educated they were, today it's crazy to think that another race would would a sovereign state in the U.S.....or wait...Native Americans already have that. And it just might be crazy for Black people to actually to reimbursed for the slavery by monetary gains, after all Native Americans have been. And yes Native Americans were here first, the Trail of Tears, and whatnot. I can argue that both Blacks and Native Americans have been through similarly disasterius experiences that resulted in maiming, raping, disease, death, and loss of culture and identity.

 

A lot of white people don't like it mentioned but, Black people have pretty much been here the same amount of time as you, which makes you just as American, as white America and Native Nations. The difference between Natives and Blacks versus whites is the ancestral wealth and the systematic gains your forefathers placed in the grain of this country, and in other countries through imperalism to make sure that their descendents continued on the same path as them. After the Trail of Tears, it was agreed that Natives were to be reimbursed for the loss of their Native homelands, but Blacks aren't worthy of that same sentiment? You can preach all you want about the couple of years of true affirmative action, whereas it truly stopped due to whites complaining. Who cares about intergration in society when a whole population of people struggle within a system built to work against them in every turn? The only true equality is wealth, and more than that is generational wealth, which white people have a long history of, and which Natives have been allowed to gather(through personal government funds and building of casinos and the like)

 

There has been a long history of whites destroying Black wealth from the few successful from Antebellum times, to the destruction of Black Wall Street, to the burning of prosperous black cities and towns, don't be so naive. Why do you think the media protrays black people so horribly to a degree it destroys our reputation in foreign countries before we even get there? Why do you think there isn't much focus on the few successful and generational Black families that are not in the entertainment industry? It's a coincidence Blacks haven't received our "40 acres and a mule".

Not sure if anyone told you haven't read the whole thread yet, but Native Americans aren't a sovereign state. Native Americans do have our own constitutions and laws and such but we are still subject to Federal laws such as with the state of legality with peyote.

 

Peyote being a illegal narcotic has been banned in the USA and in the reservations despite the religious rites that use peyote. 

 

Also some if not a lot of land is held in trust by the USA government and many previous treaties have been ignored by the Federal government because they are inconvenient, with agencies like the Bureau of Indian Affairs not being well liked by most of the Tribes (to the best of my knowledge).

 

So in the end Native American Reservations are prisons to keep Natives (which they were) today the reservations seem to be more like territories or tributary states.

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4 hours ago, The Dryad said:

Um no. Every formerly enslaved "family unit" or singular persons, were supposed to receive the ever mystical and ellusive 40 acres and a mule, but there's not much land yo go around these days, so the it would be monetary payment, which would be equivalent to the amount of money that is worth today, which, like I said, is very similar to the benefits Native Americans already receive, around a lump sum of $50,000-$60,000 U.S. dollars for 40 acres? Plus yearly installments of "land tax exemptions", I'm not smart enough to calculate that though XD.

 

I ball parked the math at fifty thousand multiplied by thirty nine million because I'm a cheap scrooge. We come to 195 000 000 000 000(if my math is correct which it probably isn't) That's 195 trillion dollars. To put things in perspective, the current national debt for the whole of the United States as of 2018 is a paltry 21 trillion dollars. Neither you nor I need to know much in the way of math to know that 195 trillion dollars is just not even feasibly possible.

 

And even if the US government did have that much money to spend on a good day, you can bet you'd have to fight until scorched earth to get them to hand over that amount of money. If you wanted to destroy what's left of the US in gridlock and divide the country into a chasm so deep it makes dante's inferno look like a kiddie swing, this is how you'd do it right there. Even land tax exemptions would be an uphill battle at this point considering the atrocious real estate market down there.

 

I don't generally like to rain on a parade, but if my anecdotal thoughts on human psychology don't fit the bill, then perhaps my hobo math skills can lend some gravity to the impossibility of the US government ever living up to that promise in the near future.

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8 hours ago, E said:

 

I ball parked the math at fifty thousand multiplied by thirty nine million because I'm a cheap scrooge. We come to 195 000 000 000 000(if my math is correct which it probably isn't) That's 195 trillion dollars. To put things in perspective, the current national debt for the whole of the United States as of 2018 is a paltry 21 trillion dollars. Neither you nor I need to know much in the way of math to know that 195 trillion dollars is just not even feasibly possible.

 

And even if the US government did have that much money to spend on a good day, you can bet you'd have to fight until scorched earth to get them to hand over that amount of money. If you wanted to destroy what's left of the US in gridlock and divide the country into a chasm so deep it makes dante's inferno look like a kiddie swing, this is how you'd do it right there. Even land tax exemptions would be an uphill battle at this point considering the atrocious real estate market down there.

 

I don't generally like to rain on a parade, but if my anecdotal thoughts on human psychology don't fit the bill, then perhaps my hobo math skills can lend some gravity to the impossibility of the US government ever living up to that promise in the near future.

You're absolutely right, and that's sad, it's a dasturdly situation. 

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14 minutes ago, The Dryad said:

You're absolutely right, and that's sad, it's a dasturdly situation. 

Sucks doc. Like most things government related.

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22 hours ago, AliceAbernathy said:

Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks.

 

You will also find that blacks commit crime at a higher rate than other races. (Source F.B.I. Crime Statistics)

 

Whatever you do is on you not on your father. The idea of original sin is one of the most ridiculous in religon even.

 

All races benefit from that. Whites have worked to fix a "broken system". Whites started the NAACP, passed the 13th amendment, passed affirmative action legislation, dying in the civil war, being mutilated in the civil war. People of all races in the U.S. reach positions of power and success.

I'll find that I don't hate myself, I love being muliracial. My family has rarity to it- my Irish great great grandmother was married to a black man, ableit a mixed race man, rare in 1860, and they owned over 1000 acres in inheritance (which part of was lost due to the very same grandmother moonshining, but I digress). And one of my grandmothers come from Cherokee Freedmen and tribal members, and on the other side of my family, my grandpa is white, I'm literally the "melting pot" America always talks about. My family is conservative, and I'm fairly moderate, I'm not the most liberal person out there, but I can see through conservative bs when I see it.

 

There's no true unbiased statistic out there that shows disparity, so to say "you'll find that blacks commit more crimes than any other race" is making light of history, racism, and the affects of poverty.

 

You are not your ancestors, but just like you inherit your eye color, you can inherit the same hatred and potential to kill, which is why evil can be traced from father to son, hence if you are a murdering psychopath, your children have a great chance of growing to be a murdering psychopath.

 

........ NAACP was a bi-racial creation, it wasn't founded by just white people. To say that people to all races reach success is taking "success" lightly, why do I not see a reflection of that in legislative positions, and in CEO positions?

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2017/02/05/successful-black-family-everything-america-said-struggles-racism

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/economy/2017/02/08/whites-richer-blacks-america-though-spend-work-save

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Dryad said:

 

 

You are not your ancestors, but just like you inherit your eye color, you can inherit the same hatred and potential to kill, which is why evil can be traced from father to son, hence if you are a murdering psychopath, your children have a great chance of growing to be a murdering psychopath.

 

 

 

No. See that's just repackaged original sin bullshit. Children are not necessarily a reflection of their parents. I am an atheist and my parents are not. And no, absolutely fucking not! I do not hate people for the color of their skin.

 

No. Blacks cannot be successful like being in the oval office. Actually, hang on. Seriously, I am sick and fucking tired of people of my complexion being considered as some sort of oppressor class.

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4 hours ago, AliceAbernathy said:

 I do not hate people for the color of their skin.

 

 

And yet you say "Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks."

 

So We're supposed to believe what you say about yourself (whom we don't know), and ALSO what you say about us (whom you don't know).   You're the authority on yourself AND us.  :lol:

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4 hours ago, Sally said:

 

And yet you say "Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks."

 

So We're supposed to believe what you say about yourself (whom we don't know), and ALSO what you say about us (whom you don't know).   You're the authority on yourself AND us.  :lol:

When liberals call conservative (or even moderate) blacks house n*ggers, Uncle Toms, and coons, what else am I to think? As it is, the left does everything it can to stir up hate and discontent between the races and it sickens me.

 

And yes, I am the authority on myself. How can I not be?

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12 hours ago, AliceAbernathy said:

No. See that's just repackaged original sin bullshit. Children are not necessarily a reflection of their parents. I am an atheist and my parents are not. And no, absolutely fucking not! I do not hate people for the color of their skin.

 

No. Blacks cannot be successful like being in the oval office. Actually, hang on. Seriously, I am sick and fucking tired of people of my complexion being considered as some sort of oppressor class.

Genetics has nothing to do with religion, or original sin, and neither do evil believe it or not, humans inherently know the difference between good and evil. And scientifically 'evil' can be traced genetically, so...

 

 

This is about a select few who can make it in the oval office, and it's not about Black people, but equality. If you look at the general population of the U.S. and compare it to the ruling legislative body, then you'll see that there are many under represented minorities. If you don't know want to be seen as an oppressor, then maybe you should stop spouting the same rhetoric as oppressors do.

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8 hours ago, Sally said:

 

And yet you say "Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks."

 

So We're supposed to believe what you say about yourself (whom we don't know), and ALSO what you say about us (whom you don't know).   You're the authority on yourself AND us.  :lol:

Lol exactly, and so patronizingly as well.

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3 hours ago, AliceAbernathy said:

When liberals call conservative (or even moderate) blacks house n*ggers, Uncle Toms, and coons, what else am I to think? As it is, the left does everything it can to stir up hate and discontent between the races and it sickens me.

 

And yes, I am the authority on myself. How can I not be?

Liberals aren't the only ones that call Black people that- in fact I would say that history would suggest white Dixies, aka modern day conservatives and the Alt-right call Black people those names much more than liberals.

 

Yes, you are an authority on yourself, but you presume to be an authority over @Sally and me, because you're suggesting that because we have liberal ideals, and believe that people should be equal, that we're full of self-hatred and making generalizations based on race and what you perceive to be correct.

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2 hours ago, The Dryad said:

Liberals aren't the only ones that call Black people that- in fact I would say that history would suggest white Dixies, aka modern day conservatives and the Alt-right call Black people those names much more than liberals.

 

 

Actually, they weren't conservatives. They were members of the democratic party.

 

And as far as I can tell, the left wants certain people to be the "victim" class and other people to be the "oppressor" class and for some people to pay and feel sorry for things which they did not do.

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On 8/20/2018 at 11:05 AM, AliceAbernathy said:

Actually, they weren't conservatives. They were members of the democratic party.

 

And as far as I can tell, the left wants certain people to be the "victim" class and other people to be the "oppressor" class and for some people to pay and feel sorry for things which they did not do.

If you know history, then you know that after Reformation, the Northern Republicans and Southern Dixie Democrats, switched names, but not ideals, which is why modern day conservatives aka Republicans resemble Dixies and sing Dixie and why modern day Democrats resemble to policies placed by Jefferson and Lincoln more than policies by Nixon.

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On 8/20/2018 at 3:15 AM, AliceAbernathy said:

When liberals call conservative (or even moderate) blacks house n*ggers, Uncle Toms, and coons, what else am I to think? As it is, the left does everything it can to stir up hate and discontent between the races and it sickens me.

 

I've been a liberal, and around liberals, all my life, which extends back into the era when those terms weren't considered as horrible  as they are today, and I've never heard liberals use them about blacks.  Never.  And as an inveterate observer, I keep my ears and eyes open.   I don't know what world you're seeing, but it isn't the real world.  

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Why did you guys change colors to rainbow and then back to normal??

 

Also, Alice, what world do you live in that you need to be so defensive about being white?

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13 minutes ago, SuperAceLogician said:

Why did you guys change colors to rainbow and then back to normal??

 

Uuuuummm I don't know what you're talking about, sorry.

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1 hour ago, The Dryad said:

If you know history, then you know that after Reformation, the Northern Republicans and Southern Dixie Democrats, switched names, but not ideals, which is why modern day conservatives aka Republicans resemble Dixies and sing Dixie and why modern day Democrats resemble to policies placed by Jefferson and Lincoln more than policies by Nixon.

No they didn't. 

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31 minutes ago, SuperAceLogician said:

Also, Alice, what world do you live in that you need to be so defensive about being white?

Maybe because my race is seen as the root of the problem for other races and because my race is goaded into feeling sorry for shit we didn't do.

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5 minutes ago, AliceAbernathy said:

Maybe because my race is seen as the root of the problem for other races and because my race is goaded into feeling sorry for shit we didn't do.

That's because white people did and still do oppress other races, you personally may not have done it, but it doesn't mean that you don't benefit from it, again, if you benefit from inequality and don't work to fix it, it does make you as bad as the people who made the system of oppression in the first place.

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12 minutes ago, The Dryad said:

That's because white people did and still do oppress other races.

Uh, no, we don't. 

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56 minutes ago, The Dryad said:

 It does make you as bad as the people who made the system of oppression in the first place.

What? You're calling me racist? That's really stupid.

 

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On 8/18/2018 at 8:46 PM, AliceAbernathy said:

Or, more likely you even hate yourself as so many white liberals do. Oh, and white liberals are hateful to conservative blacks.

 

You will also find that blacks commit crime at a higher rate than other races. (Source F.B.I. Crime Statistics)

 

Whatever you do is on you not on your father. The idea of original sin is one of the most ridiculous in religon even.

 

All races benefit from that. Whites have worked to fix a "broken system". Whites started the NAACP, passed the 13th amendment, passed affirmative action legislation, dying in the civil war, being mutilated in the civil war. People of all races in the U.S. reach positions of power and success.

This is colorful on my screen. 

 

11 minutes ago, AliceAbernathy said:

Uh, no, we don't. 

Perhaps not as oppressive as slavery. There are still little racist pieces that reside in all of us though. It’s almost a fact. Humans like to generalize things 

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7 minutes ago, SuperAceLogician said:

This is colorful on my screen. 

 

Perhaps not as oppressive as slavery. There are still little racist pieces that reside in all of us though. It’s almost a fact. Humans like to generalize things 

It's meant to be colorful.

Speak for yourself. I don't hate people for the color of their skin. Seriously, I have much more respect for people like Derrick Blackman (Yeah, that's his name.) and Candace Owens than degenerate liberals.

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Perhaps not hate either. Just the little things that are hurtful.

 

I’m sure you are a decent person but are you trying to defend yourself or the general population?

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