texpika96 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I'm just curious. anyone here that identifies as a libertarian either on the left or right libertarian side of things and what are your libertarian views ? As for me i'm a right libertarian, i used to be more authoritarian hence a conservative but life changed some of my views and i opened up my mind more. i believe in free markets ( more details if you want),i of course believe in limited government , letting everyone do what they desire as long it doesn't hurt anyone. live and let live, i support legalization of marijuana and full decrimination and think that police needs to focus on more serious crimes. lets just say yes i support the second amendment and i support LGBT rights , i believe in freedom of speech and how it should be protected and letting people speak their minds, i also support religious freedoms allowing everyone to believe whatever they believe . just full on liberty and freedom really thats a short run down on my behalf. what about y'all ? Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/23/2018 at 2:41 AM, texpika96 said: I'm just curious. anyone here that identifies as a libertarian either on the left or right libertarian side of things and what are your libertarian views ? As for me i'm a right libertarian, i used to be more authoritarian hence a conservative but life changed some of my views and i opened up my mind more. i believe in free markets ( more details if you want),i of course believe in limited government , letting everyone do what they desire as long it doesn't hurt anyone. live and let live, i support legalization of marijuana and full decrimination and think that police needs to focus on more serious crimes. lets just say yes i support the second amendment and i support LGBT rights , i believe in freedom of speech and how it should be protected and letting people speak their minds, i also support religious freedoms allowing everyone to believe whatever they believe . just full on liberty and freedom really thats a short run down on my behalf. what about y'all ? I noticed no one replied to your thread, which is disheartening. I'm a Libertarian in most senses of the word. I believe in small government, and minimal control. If we cannot govern ourselves in our communities. We are simply put... "Royally fucked", and bound to repeat history in a cycle of oppression and communism. Link to post Share on other sites
texpika96 Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Malum said: I noticed no one replied to your thread, which is disheartening. I'm a Libertarian in most senses of the word. I believe in small government, and minimal control. If we cannot govern ourselves in our communities. We are simply put... "Royally fucked", and bound to repeat history in a cycle of oppression and communism. I know right ? 😕 though i'm still gonna keep this up just in case anyone else comes across this and says they're libertarian as we are so i'll keep this up anyway. I'm happy you're a libertarian like i am also and i agree there and i wish people would get that. if we can't govern ourselves and let the government control many aspect of our lives to where its downright threading our freedom and our rights ? yeah "royally fucked" is a good phrase to say it and we as a society will repeat a cycle of oppression and see ideologies such as communism, fascism or a theocracy overruling us and that spells bad for people of all walks of life i always see that America was started as a libertarian country as people felt tired of being taxed to hell on things people use everyday, unfair taxes so the royal family back in Great Britain then would live so well while oppressing colonists that they sent over and those that volunteered to live in what we call the United States today, same with Canada and so on. it goes more than taxation or excessive taxation. the Brits did oppress their own citizens through many ways and tell what they can do and not do. but for today ? our rights, our freedoms are at stake by those that want to hinder it as we see today. if we don't do anything ? we're gonna live in a authoritarian shithole worse than we have it now. i wish the idea of libertarian would just be more well known and popular already.. Link to post Share on other sites
Nanoic Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Authoritarism is the oppression of the weakest in society by the government, libertarianism is the oppression of the weakest number by large businesses, aided by the favourable government policies. Link to post Share on other sites
Lonemathsytoothbrushthief Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/23/2018 at 7:41 AM, texpika96 said: I'm just curious. anyone here that identifies as a libertarian either on the left or right libertarian side of things and what are your libertarian views ? As for me i'm a right libertarian, i used to be more authoritarian hence a conservative but life changed some of my views and i opened up my mind more. i believe in free markets ( more details if you want),i of course believe in limited government , letting everyone do what they desire as long it doesn't hurt anyone. live and let live, i support legalization of marijuana and full decrimination and think that police needs to focus on more serious crimes. lets just say yes i support the second amendment and i support LGBT rights , i believe in freedom of speech and how it should be protected and letting people speak their minds, i also support religious freedoms allowing everyone to believe whatever they believe . just full on liberty and freedom really thats a short run down on my behalf. what about y'all ? If you'll excuse an anarchist's attempt to sway your beliefs, have you ever considered turning to mutualism/anti capitalist market anarchism since you may find more people align with your beliefs than libertarians on the right. I'm an anarchist without adjectives myself, I believe that unjustified hierarchy in the form of things like the state, the prison complex being a part of it as is the criminalisation of immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers, leads to unjust and inefficient distribution of resources and the formation of elitist minority groups, who get all the power. However I don't really identify with right/left quite so much right now. I agree with many communist arguments against private property, but think that since the definition of what is private versus personal property comes down to its use value to the individual(on the basis of, if you're not using it enough then your ability to accumulate that property potentially gives you power over those who don't have it) a grey area between private and personal has to be acknowledged. As a result I would accept individualist types of anarchism and market anarchism, but not full-on capitalist no-government type libertarianism which resulted from Rothbard's move back to the right again. So yeah, my own egoist leanings mean I don't really stay in collectivist anarchist circles as much, just because I prefer to focus on the problems in the world which I can actively do something about. I also want to put my own efforts into more education based things, so am going to try and get some knowledge of electronic engineering which is where my phd is anyway, computer science and so on which an eye to getting into decentralised ground-up movements in STEM industries. I sound snobby as fuck, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
texpika96 Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Lonemathsytoothbrushthief said: If you'll excuse an anarchist's attempt to sway your beliefs, have you ever considered turning to mutualism/anti capitalist market anarchism since you may find more people align with your beliefs than libertarians on the right. I'm an anarchist without adjectives myself, I believe that unjustified hierarchy in the form of things like the state, the prison complex being a part of it as is the criminalisation of immigrants/refugees/asylum seekers, leads to unjust and inefficient distribution of resources and the formation of elitist minority groups, who get all the power. However I don't really identify with right/left quite so much right now. I agree with many communist arguments against private property, but think that since the definition of what is private versus personal property comes down to its use value to the individual(on the basis of, if you're not using it enough then your ability to accumulate that property potentially gives you power over those who don't have it) a grey area between private and personal has to be acknowledged. As a result I would accept individualist types of anarchism and market anarchism, but not full-on capitalist no-government type libertarianism which resulted from Rothbard's move back to the right again. So yeah, my own egoist leanings mean I don't really stay in collectivist anarchist circles as much, just because I prefer to focus on the problems in the world which I can actively do something about. I also want to put my own efforts into more education based things, so am going to try and get some knowledge of electronic engineering which is where my phd is anyway, computer science and so on which an eye to getting into decentralised ground-up movements in STEM industries. I sound snobby as fuck, sorry. No you don't sound snobby at all , you're fine. you're actually quite reasonable and i tend to have mixed views on anarchists but you got my attention so let me answer now! Honestly no since even i may have more social libertarian views but i still believe in a free market, capitalist economy for the world as long its done right ? though i still believe the state should exist but not in a form where its big government, tells us what to do and not do, have stupid laws that don't work and create so much victimless crimes hence that's why the US prison system has a high inmate population due to victimless crimes. so i want do away with victimless laws, make those laws that create these victimless laws go away and have the police go after actual crimes and not because Johnny smoked weed with friends and he and his friends are in trouble over smoking weed while some guy rapes a woman and no one bats an eye. you know i can agree with you on several things. yes i agree that the state is a unjustified hierarchy such as the way they handle the prison system and unjust laws that put people in prison and criminalization of immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers,that's a nono and thats something i'm not liking how the US is handling it right now. i believe it should be strict but let people have a chance to immigrate and live in the country, refugees and asylum seekers need help on their situation , they don't deserve to be further persecuted just because they flee to another country to get away from persecution of their home country hence i agree it does lead to unjust and inefficient distribution of resources but most of all minority elitist groups that could become fringe groups that would be a problem with the nation state they're in so in all i'm with you. immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers should be treated as criminals and be given opportunities to live in say the US and being given that second chance. after all they came from worse conditions so help them out you know ? and on private and personal property, sadly i'll have to disagree with you on that somewhat and how communists see it but on one caveat. i believe people's property is there as long they purchased it or got it from another person. its theirs even if they aren't using it, its there but i do want the people to sell whatever they want and either sell it off or give it away to those that want or need it. like for me if i got stuff i don't want ? i would either sell it off or give it away to others that want or need it and in a serious case where someone lost their stuff say from a fire, being robbed etc ? then i'd give away out of kindness . i also like the whole process of donating things to the less fortunate so im always open to that also. in all i embrace individualism , i want people to embrace who they are and be themselves while i believe in a free, fair capitalist market that benefits everyone so sadly its hard to sway to your beliefs since i'm so pro free markets while i embrace individuality also. but listen i respect the fact you voiced your views trying to make me reconsider my views and make me think, i respect that you challenged me in my views, i haven't had anyone done that in awhile and most of all i respect your views regardless. :). i think your views are rather unique from the usual collectivist and individualist anarchy views. you're in the middle so yeah your views are unique though i disagree on many things but i feel we can agree on some also. but in all it goes down to this i believe in right libertarian capitalist system while i do believe the state should exist but as a night watchman state safeguarding people's fundamental individual rights hence their freedom and their liberty while protect the people from aggression, theft, breach of contract, fraud and enforce property laws. hence minarchism for short. so thats where i stand at the end of the day really. but hey you got good views on things though, you wanna deal with the problems of the world and i do too and thats good that you want to. we may disagree how it should be done but i admire that you wanna change things. do that! and i wish you the best in that ^^ and again you didn't sound snobby at all. you're ok haha. and sorry for the late response, i been out and about and exhausted from lack of sleep these days. 😕 Link to post Share on other sites
Lonemathsytoothbrushthief Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 @texpika96 well it sounds to me like our differences are pretty much academic, we agree on all of the negative symptoms of our current society and the things which need to be changed just not on the label to put on our views(and all of the academic stuff, but I kinda don't care because I don't think the people who are a friend to my beliefs are the ones who spout the same leftist slogans as me). Nice to chat, and I'm sure you'll do good things yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 10:25 AM, Nanoic said: Authoritarism is the oppression of the weakest in society by the government, libertarianism is the oppression of the weakest number by large businesses, aided by the favourable government policies. No, because that violates the NAP. Libertarianism doesn't oppress. But stupid people do suffer. But this social darwinism promotes societal intelligence. You are your own responsibility. Expecting the government to help you every which way, should have never been considered acceptable behavior. Link to post Share on other sites
Gloomy Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 For the most part yes. I support the free market and minimal government spending, and when it comes to social issues I think as long as it doesn’t directly harm anyone else(like murder, rape, robbery, etc. obviously harm people) then there’s no reason for it to be illegal. Link to post Share on other sites
Asterion Orestes Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Yeah, I'll admit to at least some identification with libertarianism. A criticism of libertarians I've seen is that "no one's ever pure enough" for them. Not sure how true this might be, but I can imagine people saying it. On the other hand--what if the LP was able to replace one of the major parties here in the US? Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 On 7/12/2018 at 8:31 PM, Asterion Orestes said: Yeah, I'll admit to at least some identification with libertarianism. A criticism of libertarians I've seen is that "no one's ever pure enough" for them. Not sure how true this might be, but I can imagine people saying it. On the other hand--what if the LP was able to replace one of the major parties here in the US? Id rather them replace Democrats. Libertarians still allow the freedoms Democrats want, but also reduces government size. Libertarians fiscally have a lot in common with Republicans. Libertarians are also more adept at countering anti-constitutional things the Republicans might try to do. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Hewwo owo I'm right wing libertarian. Grew up in a conservative, evangelical/fundamental family. (Fundamental and evangelical aren't the same thing, but to get the idea across what our political beliefs looked like I mention evangelical.) I made a left wing friends online, discussed with them, and my politics changed that way. I basically believe other people's lives aren't my business, nor the government's. Socially I agree with a lot of what the left wing stands for. Not all, especially the last few years. My fiscal beliefs are a bit more up in the air, but lean right. I'm probably not a /great/ right wing libertarian since I believe some government safety nets are a "necessary evil" so to speak. Depends on who you ask, I guess. Ideally, I lean libertarian. Practically, I know the ideal isn't fully attainable. Link to post Share on other sites
AcornCarvings Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 if you take libertarian to mean anarchism and the type of anarchism that is more directly democratic and community based anticap socialism then yeah I think so... Link to post Share on other sites
divided_sky Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It may be that I have interacted with the wrong people, but libertarians have often given me the sense that they have a certain contempt for human life. It is really offputting and cold to me. Am I wrong in feeling that way? Link to post Share on other sites
divided_sky Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Or at least, towards humans who can't fit in or succeed with what they view as the proper way to run a society Link to post Share on other sites
allieace Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Constitutional libertarian here! I'm in favor of government that protects the rights of its citizens without infringing on said rights. I generally lean left on social issues but right on most everything else, although I consider myself a centrist since I'm open to discuss and compromise on most issues. Link to post Share on other sites
(A) & A Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I'm an anarchist, so I suppose you could say I'm a left-wing libertarian. I used to be a more traditional libertarian, until I realized that corporations are just another sort of state with logos instead of flags and the free market is only free on paper... So If I'm going to believe in an unrealistic, unobtainable utopia for humanity I'm going to believe in one where we embrace peace, justice, and humanity. Link to post Share on other sites
SorryNotSorry Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I used to think I was a libertarian, until corporatists and authoritarians hijacked libertarianism and silently attacked it and contaminated it as a threat which must be neutralized at all costs. Now I consider myself something of a radical anti-authoritarian—I'm in favor of a pro-freedom agenda, but one with teeth, one which would maintain a shadow thug force which would be a terrifying (and sometims deadly) fact of life for people who are found to have any control-freak tendencies. Religious nuts would be society's basket cases, boo-hooing incessantly about morality and begging for divine intervention which never comes. The rest of us would be allowed to smoke dope, ignore speed limits, be naked in public, and beat up bossy people in peace. Link to post Share on other sites
here_on_the_morrow Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I consider myself to be mostly libertarian. Although i can't shake the idea that healthcare is a basic human right that should be provided by the state. But other than that i'm libertarian. Link to post Share on other sites
S---y Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 My views certainly can be described as "libertarian." Individuals should own their own lives, and only their own lives. I believe in private property, the ownership of oneself, what one produces, and what one is rightfully given. Negative rights can be demanded, positive rights are better to be acquired only through voluntary action. I would like to see a separation of security and welfare. I like John Locke's "Second Treaties of Government." I believe that government, the market, and the people themselves are all equally capable of tyranny against individual liberty. Link to post Share on other sites
LenaLuthor Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I am socially libertarian. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 6:08 PM, divided_sky said: It may be that I have interacted with the wrong people, but libertarians have often given me the sense that they have a certain contempt for human life. It is really offputting and cold to me. Am I wrong in feeling that way? On 7/21/2018 at 6:13 PM, divided_sky said: Or at least, towards humans who can't fit in or succeed with what they view as the proper way to run a society Well I can at least understand why you feel that way. If I'm understanding right. I'm a barely functioning adult myself and working on improving so that I will be able to take care of myself, so far be it from me to judge too harshly. And my therapy is coming to me on government financial assistance.... Link to post Share on other sites
NotFlamboyant Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 On 6/23/2018 at 2:41 AM, texpika96 said: I'm just curious. anyone here that identifies as a libertarian either on the left or right libertarian side of things and what are your libertarian views ? As for me i'm a right libertarian, i used to be more authoritarian hence a conservative but life changed some of my views and i opened up my mind more. i believe in free markets ( more details if you want),i of course believe in limited government , letting everyone do what they desire as long it doesn't hurt anyone. live and let live, i support legalization of marijuana and full decrimination and think that police needs to focus on more serious crimes. lets just say yes i support the second amendment and i support LGBT rights , i believe in freedom of speech and how it should be protected and letting people speak their minds, i also support religious freedoms allowing everyone to believe whatever they believe . just full on liberty and freedom really thats a short run down on my behalf. what about y'all ? I sympathize with most of the libertarian ideas, but I wouldn't call myself a libertarian until I accumulate more knowledge on the diferent thinkers of Libertarianism. For now I call myself a centrist, I'm in favor of the left on the social things but a strong supporter of capitalism. Link to post Share on other sites
Spotastic Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 11:54 PM, allieace said: Constitutional libertarian here! I'm in favor of government that protects the rights of its citizens without infringing on said rights. I generally lean left on social issues but right on most everything else, although I consider myself a centrist since I'm open to discuss and compromise on most issues. This is pretty much me. Link to post Share on other sites
Rhaenys Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I think I'd be a libertarian. I'm for lgtb rights, planned parenthood and pro choice but I hate pc culture, everything is offensive crap, identity politics, blatant lies spread by liberal media and glossing over real problems with ist and phobic buzzwords among a few things I abhor. I'm migrating and hoping to gain citizenship soon so I'll see if it changes. Link to post Share on other sites
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