SweetTart Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 As I've looked around on the topic of demisexuality I've come across some posts and information stating Demisexuals don't typically feel aroused or 'turned on' by porn. Is this true? From my own experiences I suspected I may be demi, but now I'm not so sure. I can be aroused by porn at times, though typically I don't prefer it. I enjoy drawn porn and written smut though, the characters and situations all purely being part of a fantasy. I never really imagine myself in the place of the characters, it's more the pleasure of the characters themselves and the situations I find stimulating. I've never actually talked about this before so Idk if that's normal or not? Anyways sorry if that was tmi! Just trying to clarify and figure things out. Link to post Share on other sites
Kitteη χ Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 It's definitely possible to identify as demisexual (or anywhere on the ace spectrum) while being aroused by porn. It's just less common than it is for sexual people. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deus Ex Infinity Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I totally dislike porn. It's disgustIng but I don't think that it's specifically connected to demisexuality etc. It's more like a personal anti-preference so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites
roland.o Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 16 hours ago, SweetTart said: Is this true? Who's to say what's "typical"? I do watch porn. It's not related to my ability to form bonds and enter relationships or experience sexual attraction. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I only experience attraction towards my partner and that is it Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Marlow1 said: No, I don't watch porn and I have no attraction to it. For me it is much the same as seeing any stranger, I don't get attracted. I only experience attraction towards my partner and that is it Same. Its like sex with a stranger.. just blah. No pleasure and I cannot reach orgasm with it. Give me thoughts of my partner any day over that. I dont use labels but demi would fit best if i did. Link to post Share on other sites
kani Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I'm not sure I'm demisexual, but I enjoy movies where there's a good build up until the sex scene and those are way better than any porn I've watched. If they made porn where there's a good build up, the people get to know each other and I'm rooting for their relationship, I'd probably be more into it. I can still enjoy porn but it's mostly pretty boring and it's kinda like I try to imagine they're feeling good rather than being attracted to their bodies or anything. Link to post Share on other sites
bare_trees Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 6:01 PM, SweetTart said: I've never actually talked about this before so Idk if that's normal or not? I think it is, absolutely! I've identified as demisexual for years, and there's some porn that works for me. Probably not as much as for sexual people, but I find that I watch/read it and imagine someone I have feelings for instead of the random people involved in it. I totally understand what you're describing, also. Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I found an interesting article that says: "Demisexuals may have very active sexual fantasy lives—whether enjoying erotic stories, watching porn, or creating their own mental fantasies. The difference is that it’s not just the physical act of sex that turns them on, but the whole context of the person they imagine having sex with—there’s a major emotional component to these fantasies that give them an extra charge for the demixexual person." https://bestlifeonline.com/demisexual/ Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 2:26 PM, arokani said: I'm not sure I'm demisexual Link to post Share on other sites
Celyn: The Lutening Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I find visual porn either unpleasant or boring. Written though, can be lovely if the romance is done right. As @Marlow1 and @Dawning's quote are saying, it's the emotional context, the love between the participants, that makes it nice. The sex itself is "Eh, whatever." Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I am am not great with following any kind of fiction Link to post Share on other sites
Celyn: The Lutening Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 15 hours ago, Marlow1 said: I really don't think the sexual things in the movies add much, except maybe they express some of the intimacy between the characters. I don't think I would miss these scenes much if they were not there. Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. Link to post Share on other sites
GreySquirrel12 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 12:01 AM, SweetTart said: As I've looked around on the topic of demisexuality I've come across some posts and information stating Demisexuals don't typically feel aroused or 'turned on' by porn. Is this true? From my own experiences I suspected I may be demi, but now I'm not so sure. I can be aroused by porn at times, though typically I don't prefer it. I enjoy drawn porn and written smut though, the characters and situations all purely being part of a fantasy. I never really imagine myself in the place of the characters, it's more the pleasure of the characters themselves and the situations I find stimulating. I've never actually talked about this before so Idk if that's normal or not? Anyways sorry if that was tmi! Just trying to clarify and figure things out. I'm exactly the same. I'm much more attracted to the written word e.g., fan fiction, whereas with porn sometimes it can be arousing, and sometimes I could look at the exact same thing and feel absolutely nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
Dia Nicole Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/18/2018 at 7:01 PM, SweetTart said: ...written smut though, the characters and situations all purely being part of a fantasy. I never really imagine myself in the place of the characters, it's more the pleasure of the characters themselves and the situations I find stimulating. I have never really talked about it either but I feel the same way about erotica. I could never picture myself in place of the characters but reading how the characters care for and affect each other affects me. I also am not really affected by visual porn that way. I have never been a very visual person though. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 11:31 AM, Dia Nicole said: I have never really talked about it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8FX6vZz-MM Link to post Share on other sites
Pramana Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I personally find porn disgusting. But arousal can be separated from attraction and research has found that it's actually pretty common for people on the asexual spectrum to watch porn and fantasize. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Pramana said: I personally find porn disgusting. But arousal can be separated from attraction and research has found that it's actually pretty common for people on the asexual spectrum to watch porn and fantasize. Hi Pramana Do you know if there is a word for a asexual/grey asexual person that does not watch porn and does not fantasise. Is this a sub-group? Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Just FYI, alexithymia, from which I suffer although not to the fullest extent, is a common characteristic of autistic people, and often includes a lack of fantasizing: Alexithymia is defined by: 1. difficulty identifying feelings and distinguishing between feelings and the bodily sensations of emotional arousal 2. difficulty describing feelings to other people 3. constricted imaginal processes, as evidenced by a scarcity of fantasies 4. a stimulus-bound, externally oriented cognitive style. (Focus on describing what's happening in environment rather than feelings. Focus on minute details rather than feelings of event.) Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 8:04 AM, Dawning said: Just FYI, alexithymia, Link to post Share on other sites
Celyn: The Lutening Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Hmm I have all the symptoms of alexthymia except 3. I have a vivid, active imagination and basically live in my own head. Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, Celyn said: Hmm I have all the symptoms of alexthymia except 3. I have a vivid, active imagination and basically live in my own head. That's me exactly! The definition describes the standard case, but the only actual requirement is the emotional part. For me, good and bad emotions can feel exactly the same, and I have to determine by analysis what I'm most likely to be feeling. Sort of inconvenient. And possibly contributing to asexuality? Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Marlow1 said: This is very interesting. I have just been researching Alexithymia further. It seems though that generally the Alexithymia is constantly present. My Aphantasia is constantly present and my lack of attraction to porn, strangers and so on is constantly present but regarding my partner much of this changes. I cannot visualise her in my mind nor re-experience her sexually in my mind (my partner tells me she can see, hear, smell, taste, feel me and so on in her mind) but I can think about her sexually. I can think about things we have done, and especially if she is there right in front of me I can want her, and get that magnetic pull folk speak of, but only with her I love looking at photographs of her. I am not really sure if this is in the same way that other people so called love porn, but I do love looking at pictures of her and I have become aroused looking at them, but she was here with me at the time. I know that this is not true fantasising since I am not getting any pictures in my mind, but this is sexual attraction, I am sure I do not get these feelings looking at any other person picture or real, and I really do think I would feel embarrassed if I did. I mentioned earlier that I can at least a little identify with couples on TV that remind me of my partner and I. I have not watched them having sex or anything, I think that if I did it would put me off them. I would feel it was not right to do that. I really don't think it would be arousing. I know of no time ever when I saw anything sexual on TV that was arousing Hope that this is making sense, it is so difficult to describe Alexithymia is an always and forever sort of thing. Did any of what you read apply to you? It's driving me absolutely crazy trying to figure out how you think! As best as I can determine, thinking takes place with either images or words. I'm incapable of the former, but I compensate pretty well with the latter. But since you don't have either, what form do your thoughts take? I don't think you have to have any mental pictures for something to count as fantasizing. Even people who can see mental pictures fantasize and daydream in words, at least part of the time; for me, of course, it's all the time, because that's all I can do, but I do it every day. I'd really be interested to know if there was a correlation between the # of senses you can fantasize with and the likelihood of being asexual. Link to post Share on other sites
Celyn: The Lutening Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, Dawning said: And possibly contributing to asexuality? Very possibly. When I'm in a romantic situation, often all I can feel is "overwhelmed" and I don't know if it's good or bad. I have trouble distinguishing between fear and excitement, which has led to a situation where I'm thinking "Am I terrified of the idea of sex or super, super into it?" Yeah, that "trouble distinguishing between feelings and the physical symptoms" is so true of me. "My heart is pounding and I'm shaking and I'm feeling a Feeling...." I like the modern phrase "to have feels" because can express that I'm having strong emotions without so much pressure to label what they are. Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Celyn said: Very possibly. When I'm in a romantic situation, often all I can feel is "overwhelmed" and I don't know if it's good or bad. I have trouble distinguishing between fear and excitement, which has led to a situation where I'm thinking "Am I terrified of the idea of sex or super, super into it?" Yeah, that "trouble distinguishing between feelings and the physical symptoms" is so true of me. "My heart is pounding and I'm shaking and I'm feeling a Feeling...." I like the modern phrase "to have feels" because can express that I'm having strong emotions without so much pressure to label what they are. Overwhelmed and unable to tell if it's good or bad, yes! Fear vs excitement, yes! That's me all the way! You don't have to be Sigmund Freud to see how this could affect all of our possible kinds of attraction. I hope it helps you a little bit to have an actual word for what you experience. I know I felt a lot better when I first realized I wasn't the only one. Link to post Share on other sites
Pramana Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Marlow1 said: Hi Pramana Do you know if there is a word for a asexual/grey asexual person that does not watch porn and does not fantasise. Is this a sub-group? The most common distinction is between nonlibidoists (who experience neither sexual attraction nor sexual desire, don't get horny, don't masturbate) and libidoists (who do experience sexual desire, possess an undirected sex drive). Now libidoists might fall into the 'scratching an itch category' (masturbate just to relieve physical tension), or they might practice a more elaborate solo sex life that incorporates fantasy and porn (autochorissexuality and similar phenomena). Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Just for fun my partner asked me to make up a story. Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm aroused by some porn, I'm just not sexually attracted to the people in it. Link to post Share on other sites
Marlow1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia Link to post Share on other sites
Dawning Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 13 hours ago, Marlow1 said: Lol, everybody that I speak to regarding all this is amazed that I have no pictures or words, or the other things they say they experience in their heads, such as smells, taste, touch etc. I get none of this and I do not relive things in my mind. My memory is all logical. But saying this I can remember events and how I felt (not feeling that in the present moment but remembering it) and then I will have a feeling about that. For instance, when I remember my deceased parents, I cannot see them nor hear them, nothing, but I can remember an event with them and as I speak about it I will naturally move my hands and have facial expressions to explain it. If what I am saying is funny I will laugh. If what I am saying is sad my tone will change and I might cry etc. My behaviour in this regard is normal and nobody can tell that I have Aphantasia I am intelligent. I did well at all subjects at school, except English Literature. As you know English Literature requires imaginative thinking, not much chance of that hey!!! My partner guides me through stories and films and we watch fictional films over and over nowadays, and because she does this with me this is why I can now identify with certain characters in films. But it seems from what folk are telling me, my efforts at this arestill only reaping minimal results. I like it though, especially since I could not do anything like this in the past. We have known that I have Aphantasia for two years. Prior to this I had no idea that folk could see pictures, hear voices, music, and all the rest of the things that folk tell me they can do with their minds. I thought everybody was the same as me lol. Seriously, I really did not know that I was different As of yet there are no official figures but the latest studies are suggesting that less than 1% of the population have total Aphantasia like me. Approximately another 1% have images so poor and/or they are scoring so low on the other aspects of the condition, they are classified as Aphantasia. But it is believed a further 3% or more may well have low levels across the board, the scientist are wondering if they should classify these people with Aphantasia too. It is difficult to figure out where the cut off point should be Regarding the question, how do I think? The answer is I just do. I just know what I think and cannot explain it Just for fun my partner asked me to make up a story. She asked me to just make up anything, but to make sure the story was all untrue. She asked me to speak it out loud. And so I did. I could do it, I told the story and it was all made up and she understood all of what I said She then asked me to do the same thing again but tell a different story in my head without speaking it, and I could not do it. She said, "once upon a time" and I could not complete the sentence, in my head. No story developed I make this point to show that it is true that without my partner it would be next to impossible for me to fantasise. But if she is here physically I can think of her in a sexual romantic way. If she is not here I can know that I have an intimate relationship with her, I can remember things we have done, and perhaps chuckle. But without her around arousal is not going to happen, not properly! My mind needs her to hook in to. And this is why I label myself demisexual and know I will go back to being Asexusl if she dies or leaves etc Regarding the Alexithymia, please give me more time to study this properly. I want to be sure that I fully understand what it means before I get back to you I find it absolutely fascinating to imagine thought and memory without words or pictures! It sounds like an alien species in a sci-fi novel! I'm so glad that you have a partner who appreciates you, and who helps you explore and develop and discover; who knows what else you might eventually find a way to do? I don't think I'd want to have pictures in my mind all the time; it would distract me beyond belief. I wouldn't mind being able to do it when I felt like it, though, because sometimes it could be a timesaver, useful, even stimulating. Let me know what you think about alexithymia once you've had some time to research it. Link to post Share on other sites
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