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  1. 1. Should a woman be able to show her nipple as much as a man can?

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If you ask me, both men AND women shouldn't be walking around topless. Put a shirt on.

 

There are cultures where both men and women do go topless, including several indigenous cultures in the pacific islands. Surrounded by that, topless was just...normal. There was nothing sexual about it. It's hot, you don't want to wear a top. The closer you got to areas that were more touristy, the more it was expected for you to cover up.

 

In honesty, I don't think the Western culture is ready to move toward 'topless for all'.

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6 minutes ago, Feys&Florets said:

If you ask me, both men AND women shouldn't be walking around topless. Put a shirt on.

 

There are cultures where both men and women do go topless, including several indigenous cultures in the pacific islands. Surrounded by that, topless was just...normal. There was nothing sexual about it. It's hot, you don't want to wear a top. The closer you got to areas that were more touristy, the more it was expected for you to cover up.

 

In honesty, I don't think the Western culture is ready to move toward 'topless for all'.

Despite my asexuality, I'm very sex positive in the way I think about these kinds of topics, so basically anything that leads to destigmatization of sex I'll be supportive of. That includes the desexualization of women's breasts so they can just be thought of as another body part. I believe if we started discouraging going out topless it'd be a step backwards as far as social progress, and could make the west even more prudish. That's just my opinion, though.

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Sleepy Skeleton

I'm sex-positive, but nah. Female nipples are sexualized much more than male nipples are. But then again, I think boobs are gross and I don't want to see them in public in anyway.

 

However, I'm ready to smash the idea that people with breasts should have to wear bras all the time. If a man gets to walk around in a t-shirt with his nip nops showing through, I should get to as well.

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5 minutes ago, Sleepy Skeleton said:

I'm sex-positive, but nah. Female nipples are sexualized much more than male nipples are. But then again, I think boobs are gross and I don't want to see them in public in anyway.

 

However, I'm ready to smash the idea that people with breasts should have to wear bras all the time. If a man gets to walk around in a t-shirt with his nip nops showing through, I should get to as well.

I'm confused at where you're drawing your lines. You said you're sex-positive, and you don't think it should matter if a woman's nipples show through her shirt, so why draw the line before just freeing the nipple? Is it because you just don't want to see them?

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Sleepy Skeleton

Basically, yeah. But those are two different situations. Going to the beach and seeing half-naked people everywhere isn't the same as going to public places (work, school, etc.) with enforced dress codes.

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Just now, Sleepy Skeleton said:

Basically, yeah. But those are two different situations. Going to the beach and seeing half-naked people everywhere isn't the same as going to public places (work, school, etc.) with enforced dress codes.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah I'm not advocating for going to work without the proper dress code. The place where this would apply the most would be, like, the beach and the pool. Maybe the park too, since you can see shirtless guys there as well. I still want businesses to be able to enforce their dress codes.

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8 hours ago, FictoVore. said:

oh noes, I was trying to read your reply to me and knocked my cake off my desk onto the carpet : *goes to have a cry* (that will probably teach me for having cake for breakfast, haha)

A boob-oo?? :P:P

 

Only on AVEN can a conversation alternate between female cleavage and cake. 

 

On a more serious note, though, I'm in favour of one rule for all, either everybody can or nobody can. 

 

I wonder where the idea of it being acceptable for men to be topless came from? Some form of heavy manual labour at a rough guess, in an era when this sort of work was almost exclusively a male province 

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5 hours ago, Feys&Florets said:

In honesty, I don't think the Western culture is ready to move toward 'topless for all'.

I completely agree. As stupid as I think the gender roles are, I don't necessarily want anyone- man or woman- to be walking around on the street with their chests out. At the beach/ pool, though? Sure. And I know it's pretty weird to me to designate where I'd be comfortable seeing topless people but that's just society's effect on me, I guess. 

And as brought up by someone else, I'm definitely all for the no- bra movement. Swing low, sweet chariots.

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8 hours ago, FictoVore. said:

I'm mainly interested to know what's the difference, for you? a nipple is a nipple, how does the gender change that? Just like, a butt is a butt, regardless on who it's on lol. And I understand men's chests aren't always as jiggly as a woman's, but there are many men who have bigger breasts than many small breasted women (whether those man breasts are made from fat or muscle, lol - more commonly fat). So is it something to do with the shape, or just that the nipple is attached to a woman instead of a man? :o

 

 

I know it doesn't make sense. It's a feeling. And yes, it's probably only due to socialisation.

I had no problem with seeing naked women when working in hospital.

 

To me, the female chest is a sex organ and very different from a male one. It can cause physical arousal and should therefore not be shown in public to protect boys in puberty (for whom it may be embarrassing to conceal a boner) and celibate people like monks.

Also, how many married folks would like to see their partner get turned on by random people on the street?

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In response, how often do men go out and walk around shirtless in everyday life?

 

If your partner is one who'd walk around shirtless, and you don't like that, then the partner isn't right for you.

 

as for the arousal thing, I'm not so sure about that actually.

 

However, there would be problems involving groping and stuff.

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I am probably a minority. I think both should cover their nipples.

 

Possibly why many businesses won't let you in unless you are fully clothed and have shoes on.

 

Unless at a beach, keep your shirt on. I shouldn't be forced to see your bare chest inside a public building.

 

I don't have an issue with women who choose to go topless in the appropriate environment (See above).

 

However, in a sex obsessed society, you should do so aware of the risks.

 

I am not saying you are asking for it.

 

However, in thinking the social dynamics between you and a man doing it are identical, is foolish at best.

 

You will be harassed. Only point I'm making. There will be a double standard if you complain about it. Cover up. Stop being an attention whore.

 

There is a social reason behind most women choosing to cover up.

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Since our bodies have bodily ownership, are dictated by moral-religious codes, and they also are sexually arousing, I think nudity for men and women on equal terms is a tricky subject. My view would be to inculcate sex, sexuality education and awareness among everyone first before jumping the gun and create utter chaos.

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Well in practice the only times men and women are topless is by the beach, and there both sexes have their shirts off if they like to. There is however a mjority of men who have it as opposed to females, but it should be their own choice to be topless or not, and we might forget in the name of gender equality that many aren't comfortable strangers seeing their breasts or their family (if they are with them) and that is up to them in person and not something others should turn into a principle-struggle...

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Reading these posts really makes me realise how big differences there are between societies and cultures regarding nudity and sex. Knowing and having experienced cultures where there can be and is a difference between nudity in nonsexual context and sexual nudity, it feel very confusing to see that for some people people being (partially) nude always points to sex regardless of the circumstances and context. And this is something I believe can change if enough people encourage it. It doesn't have to, and shouldn't, mean pushing people to go topless or naked: everyone should have the right to choose what to wear. But media, communities and entertainment can have their part in affecting how people approach nudity. If nudity in nonsexual circumstances is seen as natural, simple and above all not sexual, it will become so. Regarding naked bodies as something forbidden, sinful and even dirty will just make nudity a forbidden fruit to be lusted after, which I don't think is a particularly healthy attitude.

 

And for those who believe men would just have too much trouble controling their reactions: I've been naked with probably over a hundred different naked males, for even several hours at the longest (I love a good "couple of hours of sauna" at a band camp, for example) and plenty of them at least somewhat drunk. The number of awkward boners I've seen? ZERO. When you have become accustomed to seeing other people nude since your childhood, you don't see it as anything to get overly excited over. Rather, you get used to seeing different bodies and being comfortable in one's own skin.

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A mere monkey

If you want to go shirtless, go to the beach. Simple as that.

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5 hours ago, ThaHoward said:

Well in practice the only times men and women are topless is by the beach, and there both sexes have their shirts off if they like to. There is however a mjority of men who have it as opposed to females, but it should be their own choice to be topless or not, and we might forget in the name of gender equality that many aren't comfortable strangers seeing their breasts or their family (if they are with them) and that is up to them in person and not something others should turn into a principle-struggle...

It's not like that in America, unfortunately. Here women can't take their tops off at the beach if they so choose, at least the vast majority of them. I think there may be some nudist beaches in the US, but they're few and far between.
 

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Though, I'm seeing a lot of people talking about the inherent sexuality of the female breast, and I just can't agree with you guys. I think that breasts are always gonna be sexual to some people, just as even though feet have been desexualized by society there are still some people who like feet, but I do think a big part as to why boobs are so attractive to most people is because of the media sexualizing it. People really underestimate the power something like that has, and assume it's almost entirely because of biology. However, as more and more of the breast has been regularly exposed, with things like smaller bikinis that only cover the nipple, and boobs appearing on television where pretty much only the nipples are censored, it seems we've moved beyond the breasts themselves being the sexual part and now it's just the nipples, while back in like the 50's and 60's if a woman showed too much skin in that area it was considered abhorrent. So even there some weird kind of progress has been made.

 

My point with that is to demonstrate that these are learned behaviors, and they change from generation to generation and especially culture to culture. It's possible that in the future, just as people can see a shirtless guy and not think anything of it, that the same will be able to be said for a woman. That's the hope, at least.

 

5 hours ago, swirl_of_blue said:

Reading these posts really makes me realise how big differences there are between societies and cultures regarding nudity and sex. Knowing and having experienced cultures where there can be and is a difference between nudity in nonsexual context and sexual nudity, it feel very confusing to see that for some people people being (partially) nude always points to sex regardless of the circumstances and context. And this is something I believe can change if enough people encourage it. It doesn't have to, and shouldn't, mean pushing people to go topless or naked: everyone should have the right to choose what to wear. But media, communities and entertainment can have their part in affecting how people approach nudity. If nudity in nonsexual circumstances is seen as natural, simple and above all not sexual, it will become so. Regarding naked bodies as something forbidden, sinful and even dirty will just make nudity a forbidden fruit to be lusted after, which I don't think is a particularly healthy attitude.

 

And for those who believe men would just have too much trouble controling their reactions: I've been naked with probably over a hundred different naked males, for even several hours at the longest (I love a good "couple of hours of sauna" at a band camp, for example) and plenty of them at least somewhat drunk. The number of awkward boners I've seen? ZERO. When you have become accustomed to seeing other people nude since your childhood, you don't see it as anything to get overly excited over. Rather, you get used to seeing different bodies and being comfortable in one's own skin.

This is something that people against #FreeTheNipple should read. Especially those that are worried about dudes getting boners. Which, by the way, is a terrible way to run a society, because it only considers the feelings of men on a thing that is solely effecting women.

 

 

PS. I've seen a lot of people saying this, but I just want to clarify that this applies pretty much anywhere you can see a guy with his shirt off in regular society and everybody be cool with it. That doesn't involve places of business where they have their own dress codes. Think beaches, pools, parks, etc.

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But really what is it to gain in the end? There are areas where it is appropriate to do it, and others where it is not. Legal or socially. Something that most likely is rooted deeply into cultures won't change overnight, and in the end it doesn't really improve women's rights if women walk topless around in the streets or if they not. Even then when is the last time, beside beaches etc, you really have seen someone prance around breastless of either sex? Even in USA I've seen stores who don't want men to enter stores with bare upperbodies, and I am yet to see anyone actually walk around like that. 

 

Now for the most parts women who re topless are usually during radical feminist demonstrations of pissed off feminists who believe it is a big oppression they can't be barebreasted (ironically being so) or as a symbol of female liberation in i.e Russia (and also in western europe before male and females became equal, e.g Marianne) or when celebrities pretend tofight for women rights nd flash their nipples, which seem more like a PR stunt. 

 

So other than that there is really places where females and males can be topless, so I really don't see the issue. Just go to those places if you want to walk around topless. 

 

In the end I really don't care, but from a practical point of view I really don't see it doing anything. It will only make some males get a boner and upset some conservative elements, while the rest of society really don't care nd will most likely not see any female going around topless in the streets anyway. 

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2 minutes ago, ThaHoward said:

But really what is it to gain in the end? There are areas where it is appropriate to do it, and others where it is not. Legal or socially. Something that most likely is rooted deeply into cultures won't change overnight, and in the end it doesn't really improve women's rights if women walk topless around in the streets or if they not. Even then when is the last time, beside beaches etc, you really have seen someone prance around breastless of either sex? Even in USA I've seen stores who don't want men to enter stores with bare upperbodies, and I am yet to see anyone actually walk around like that. 

 

Now for the most parts women who re topless are usually during radical feminist demonstrations of pissed off feminists who believe it is a big oppression they can't be barebreasted (ironically being so) or as a symbol of female liberation in i.e Russia (and also in western europe before male and females became equal, e.g Marianne) or when celebrities pretend tofight for women rights nd flash their nipples, which seem more like a PR stunt. 

 

So other than that there is really places where females and males can be topless, so I really don't see the issue. Just go to those places if you want to walk around topless. 

It improves women's rights if one less part of her body is sexualized, therefore humanizing her more. That's the end goal here, it's not just some meaningless campaign to allow women to walk around topless. I don't expect it to change overnight, and it hasn't. This debate has been going on for a long time. That's the thing, you're also misunderstanding where I'm coming from, many people have. I'm talking about in the context of beaches and places where it's socially acceptable for men to go shirtless. Though, living in the southern United States you see a lot of shirtless old guys in gas stations, trust me lol.

 

I wish people would stop bringing feminism into this thread. I don't care what they are saying, I'm speaking for myself. Bringing up feminism has just become a way for people to dismiss things they don't like. Sorry, but just because feminists and celebrities do something doesn't make it correct or wrong. The merits of the idea have to stand on their own, and in this case I believe they do. If Jennifer Lawrence wants to flash her boobs for a cause, that's her decision, but it doesn't change anything about the cause. By the way, that was just an example, I don't know if Jennifer actually did that or not.

 

It's different where you are. The United States is very prudish. The places where this is allowed are few and far between, while men can do this basically anywhere. It's a double standard whether you care about the double standard or not.

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1 hour ago, ThaHoward said:

So other than that there is really places where females and males can be topless, so I really don't see the issue. Just go to those places if you want to walk around topless. 

 

In the end I really don't care, but from a practical point of view I really don't see it doing anything. It will only make some males get a boner and upset some conservative elements, while the rest of society really don't care nd will most likely not see any female going around topless in the streets anyway. 

I think most of the #FreeTheNipple people aren't just wanting to walk around topless for fun. Rather, they want to be able be topless at places like the pool or the beach just like a male-bodied person can with no problem. Sure, there are nudist areas and other places where there is less of a stigma against it, but it's not really fair to ask them to go to these separate places when what they really want is to go where everyone else goes.

 

And I don't know about anyone else, but the feelings of conservative prudes and men who apparently can't control themselves are literally the last thing on my mind at all times. If they get offended, that's their problem and no one else's.

 

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Just now, Sleepy Skeleton said:

I think most of the #FreeTheNipple people aren't just wanting to walk around topless for fun. Rather, they want to be able be topless at places like the pool or the beach just like a male-bodied person can with no problem. Sure, there are nudist areas and other places where there is less of a stigma against it, but it's not really fair to ask them to go to these separate places when what they really want is to go where everyone else goes.

 

And I don't know about anyone else, but the feelings of conservative prudes and men who apparently can't control themselves are literally the last thing on my mind at all times. If they get offended, that's their problem and no one else's.

 

Absolutely. Also, it says something about our society if we're basing laws about women's own bodies around the sexuality of men.

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Alejandrogynous

I can rant forever about this issue but others have already hit the big points, so I'll just say that I am 100% for equality here. Nipples are nipples, bodies are bodies, and either everyone should get to expose them (in the appropriate places, of course) or no one should.

 

To say that breasts are sexual and thus must stay hidden only gives power to misogyny and rape culture, the same line of thinking that has girls sent home from school for having their shoulders exposed. People should be taught that they are not entitled to another person's body ever, regardless of what they can or cannot see. And my body is not inherently more shameful and in need of covering because I was AFAB.

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As an Australian girl born and raised id love to be able in summer to go shirtless and technically i legally can because in Australia its totally legal for females to show there breasts BUT to be very clear NO GIRLS DO....so i dont either. i think for me personlly people being naked isnt a problem because i dont get turned on by it i just get grossed out by peoples lower region (not a fan of the block and tackle) i reckon. the problem is that not everyone is ace and i dont like the idea of someone getting turned on by me or my being naked. Free the nipple is honestly just about letting people be free...whats wrong with nips?

 

fact is if a pre op trans man is shirtless in the US its illegal but once he has top surgery that very same nipple is now legal to show off....just the fact that some fat was removed makes him allowed to be shirtless...like wtf kinda logic? Now explain why a fat as fuck man (classic Aussie beer gut) can be shirtless even though his chest may be way bigger than some girls and yet they cant show there nipple?? his titties are bigger yet the girls cant show theirs?

 

i reckon the problem is that it doesnt make sense. its just a nipple. we could be talking about anything eg, and elbow or a shin but it just so happens to be a nipple. everyone has them so why should people born with vaginas have to hide them. its kinda shameful (made me ashamed of my chest for sure, like its a secret) and i know i was very very jealous of all the guys at pool parties because its just so much easier to be free of a bra or bikini top.

 

practically speaking it would be so damn handy to just throw on some shorts and thongs and go to the servo but that isnt really socially acceptable. 

 

Nipples shouldnt be such a big fucking deal...Ever had to cut the grass when its 38 Celsius with a shirt on? i have fuck that!

 

either everyone just puts on a shirt or we make it legal for everyone. 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, miettaisace said:

the problem is that not everyone is ace and i dont like the idea of someone getting turned on by me or my being naked.

Yeah, this is something I've seen some people bring up, and it's actually a point I can see where people are coming from on the opposing side. Everything else you said is spot on as well, but I want to touch on this part a bit.

 

I can completely understand why some people would be apprehensive about this kind of thing. Obviously humans are for the most part sexual creatures, and unfortunately a lot of people can't even see a nipple and not be able to ignore it, even though it's just a fucking nipple with literally no other context; it's just fucking existing. I do want our culture to desexualize women more, but where some people see this exacerbating the problem I see this potentially being a step in the right direction. Maybe if the female nipple were less mysterious and more normalized like male nipples people would be less willing to treat it as such a sexual thing. A lot of people seem to see that as impossible, but I don't. Many body parts that were once unnecessarily fetishized and sexualized are no longer that way, and the nipple is right there with them.

 

7 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

Free the nipple is a stupid debate, only slightly less stupid then the under-or-over toilet paper meme. Everyone crying "double-standard" is a middle-school level argument, it's an observation not an argument. Wow, yeah things aren't equal between two things. Of course, neither is the amount of fat between those two things, maybe we should start giving free masectomies. In the end, what we're dealing with is sexualization which is a thought problem.

 

Regardless of whether you free the nipple or not, it will be sexualised by people and the ones being sexualized will have to deal with that. The assertion that freeing the nipple will eventually make it de-sexualized (reminds me of nudist camps supporters who claims the same) is an assertion that is unsubstantiated, and I would retain would be impossible w/o at least burning down hollywood and all of the internets pornography before it would start to gain lenience. In other words, de-sexualization must happen first and if anyone has ideas then shoot. The best I can think of is making a gross-out campaign involving breasts and exposing everyone to it.

 

Better idea, we could just jail the chest.

Well, I don't think it's possible for me to disagree with someone more.

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1 minute ago, HiddenLagoon said:

I disagree with this. Since reading your paragraph we already agree on most everything except your assertion that having people go shirtless will de-sensitize the nipple.

 

Which isn't at odds with my assertion that as of now people who go shirtless will be sexualized (On average) 

That's a good point, I guess I was too hasty in claiming we only disagree, I apologize. We agree on some things, but we have a different idea of the outcome of freeing the nipple. You have some valid points, that the porn industry and Hollywood feed into this and things will need to change there before things change on a societal level. Where I disagree is that because of these things outside of your average woman's control we should force unfair double standards on them, and also I believe that a good first step in changing the way nipples are seen would be to show these overly horny men that a nipple is just a nipple, and there's contexts to be turned on by them and contexts where you should just not care, and one of those contexts is when it's a woman who doesn't know you and you don't know her and she's off minding her own business at the beach. Nudist beaches are proof this is possible.

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33 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

Free the nipple is a stupid debate, only slightly less stupid then the under-or-over toilet paper meme. Everyone crying "double-standard" is a middle-school level argument, it's an observation not an argument. Wow, yeah things aren't equal between two things. Of course, neither is the amount of fat between those two things, maybe we should start giving free masectomies. In the end, what we're dealing with is sexualization which is a thought problem.

 

Regardless of whether you free the nipple or not, it will be sexualised by people and the ones being sexualized will have to deal with that. The assertion that freeing the nipple will eventually make it de-sexualized (reminds me of nudist camps supporters who claims the same) is an assertion that is unsubstantiated, and I would retain would be impossible w/o at least burning down hollywood and all of the internets pornography before it would start to gain lenience. In other words, de-sexualization must happen first and if anyone has ideas then shoot. The best I can think of is making a gross-out campaign involving breasts and exposing everyone to it.

 

Better idea, we could just jail the chest.

As someone who's spent a fair share of time around nudists and in nudist colonies, I disagree with your assertion that exposure cannot equal desensitization. It really can. And really, the only thing that makes breasts so sexualized in certain cultures is because they're taboo. Think about back in the day when showing an ankle was considered faint-worthy, or other cultures where seeing breasts is normal so they understand that nudity isn't inherently sexual.


If your argument is just that western society is so firmly set in the sexualization of breasts and women's bodies in general that there's no point in trying to change it, that's fine, if a rather defeatist attitude. I'd rather be the change I want to see in the world, and maybe if enough of us do that, society will change for the better. That's how progress happens.

 

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Well most cultures have sexualised breasts in some way or the other, even the ones where they walk around bear breasted in daily life. And let us say it is only your culture where breasts arouse most males, and some females, you really can't ignore that even if every other culture doesn't sexualise it. It is a major contributor to why many conservative cultures doesn't want to "free the nipple". 

 

But why stop there? Free the speedo! :D I think it is about time men also can wear thongs and tangas in the public as females can do (bikinis) without getting strange looks. In the name of equality, free the speedo. 

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7 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

Oh I was always talking socially, not legally.

Well even socially we're forcing these unfair double standards on them. Such as people getting outraged at a woman breast feeding in public. Shit like that is just downright disgusting. I think we can find some common ground there, though.

 

9 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

I disagree, if we're going to magically socially teach all the men who will do this with a 100% assurance that they'll follow, then we should tell them there's NO contexts to get turned on by them. And furthermore, I'd like access to this method for other uses.

It wouldn't be magical, it'd be showing these men that outside of the context of pornos and movies, where the nipple is highly sexualized, in the real world it's just another piece of flesh that isn't sexual at all in many contexts. Assuming men can't think of it otherwise on their own assumes they're basically nothing but primates driven by only their sexual desire, and I just don't agree with that.

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6 minutes ago, ThaHoward said:

Well most cultures have sexualised breasts in some way or the other, even the ones where they walk around bear breasted in daily life. 

Sure, but in those cultures they're sexualized when they need to be, like during sex. It's not like all of their men are walking around with boners all day. I'm fine with people enjoying nipples, I just don't want them to enjoy them to the point that women can't even walk around at the beach with their boobs out without being chastised as being a slut or something because she's doing what all the dudes around her are already doing.

 

EDIT: I don't know if you're saying free the speedo sarcastically, but if you are, yeah why not free the speedo? I don't care, let people do what they want. They're not hurting anybody.

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2 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

Society does not have motivations. This is the attitude of those who believe in a jewish conspiracy or an organized patriarchy. Is that where we're going?

Uhh...no? I'm saying society has standards, which is undeniable. One of those standards is this weird standard where male nipples are okay, and female nipples aren't. Some people take it so far that they get mad when they see a mother nursing her child in public. That's all I'm saying, nothing about Jewish conspiracies or patriarchy.

 

3 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

I know what you're talking about. You're saying that we're going to take all these men aside, show them a video like a workplace training video. And that it's going to make them align with that way of thinking,

That's not what I'm saying at all, where are you getting this? I'm saying that men regularly seeing nipples in a normal, outside porno and movies context would help them to see that nipples are just another part of the human body, and perhaps they'd stop sexualizing boobs.

 

5 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

But the second sentence is interesting. Are you saying that the way we coax these people to follow along is by showing that if they don't agree they're basically mindless primates? Attack their pride? That's a bold move, claiming that sexuality is for lesser beings. But I like it.

Uhh...no, What? I'm saying that acting like they can't POSSIBLY see nipples outside of the context of the hypersexualization our culture has created around them when they're seeing nipples, just regular ordinary nipples, on the beach, is implying they're mindless primates driven only by their sexual desire and can't overcome that. Why are you strawmanning me so much?

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Alejandrogynous
3 minutes ago, HiddenLagoon said:

Says the person who was earlier in the thread using 'misogyny' and 'rape culture' like buzzwords which inherently hurts the use of them and meaning behind it.

Um, okay? I used two words that express the way our society (well, my society, as in American) teaches girls to be ashamed of their bodies, and that covering up is the only way to avoid assault instead of teaching boys to not assault in the first place. Or, is that not included in the meaning behind 'rape culture'?

 

Regardless, I fail to see how my use of "buzzwords" (to mean exactly what they mean) has anything to do with not just accepting societal problems because 'it is what it is'.

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