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Contrarian Expatriate

Trump will be the next President of the US; get used to it or get out.

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Trump will be the next President of the US; get used to it or get out.

Will you get out when January 2017 comes around and he's nowhere near the White House?

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Trump will be the next President of the US; get used to it or get out.

Will you get out when January 2017 comes around and he's nowhere near the White House?

I will, because if Shitlery, wins America will become a police state. Ya know like that movie V for vendetta. and Ill move to Japan. At least they have some sense.

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Yes that is what will happen.. There isn't like a congress, realpo,litik electorate, constitution, party and supreme court hindering that.

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Yes that is what will happen.. There isn't like a congress, realpo,litik electorate, constitution, party and supreme court hindering that.

I am not going to say it will immediatly happen, but if Hillary is above the law. Who is going to stop her? People tend to disappear when they disagree with her.

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Trump will be the next President of the US; get used to it or get out.

Will you get out when January 2017 comes around and he's nowhere near the White House?

I will, because if Shitlery, wins America will become a police state. Ya know like that movie V for vendetta. and Ill move to Japan. At least they have some sense.

Yeah man, we can't even pass reasonable gun control legislation, but that police state is just one or two years away. /sarcasm

Do you even listen to yourself or is this another attempt at you trying to argue (with apparently no knowledge of substance) to learn?

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I am not going to say it will immediatly happen, but if Hillary is above the law. Who is going to stop her? People tend to disappear when they disagree with her.

What are you claiming there?

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I am not going to say it will immediatly happen, but if Hillary is above the law. Who is going to stop her? People tend to disappear when they disagree with her.

What are you claiming there?

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So Clinton have killed political opponents?

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So Clinton have killed political opponents?

Yes, people have dissapeared or turned out right assassinated. I'll try and find "the list"

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I think your lack of faith in "the media" have turned you to outright conspiracies. You believe the media and government tell Lies and have an agenda to cover up things and make their own stories. Shame that what you seem to believe are the true conspiracy theories, schewing of facts and outright lies.

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I don't know, the Trump thing is very difficult. :U Lots of the mainstream media despise him and are rooting for Hillary to win. so there are a lot of lies about him generally around.

You didn't even take the time to read the article by Ralph Nader and respond to the valid points he made.

As you may not be aware of, Ralph Nader is highly critical of HRC. Also you may not be aware that he has been a very critical voice and advocate for consumer protection and honesty for his whole career of around 50 years.

Ralph Nader is no propagandist as you rant about.

Please do read the article above. It's thoughtful, accurate and fair, in my opinion.

You can easily find texts and video interviews where he honestly critiques the many failings of HRC as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader

I'm really sorry, i'd be wasting my time to read and respond to the entire thing. it mentioned Trump university which is a terrible argument. It is a distraction from the truth. Did you watch all the videos i sent? :/ sorry i am doubtful.

"Ralph Nader is no propagandist as you rant about"

that is something no one can prove.

as far as i'm concerned, anyone who thinks it is important to bring up trump university in a political debate puts me off them completely. i wonder if people know how dangerous electing Hillary would be? something as small as Trump university is a Joke.

I think your lack of faith in "the media" have turned you to outright conspiracies. You believe the media and government tell Lies and have an agenda to cover up things and make their own stories. Shame that what you seem to believe are the true conspiracy theories, schewing of facts and outright lies.

any sensible person with decent knowledge of history know the power the media have over the people. They are not afraid to lie to the people to get what they want, or what they are being paid to achieve

I'd rather believe false conspiracies i found from my own research than the garbage media these days spew at us. It is so destructive to our society. >< I'm sure if the media wasn't paid there would be a lot more social peace in the west.

we should have all gotten ebola by now and died. they unnecessarily hyped it up for views and money. they don't care about us. they don't care when they show you all the black person white cop crime and leave out everything else. they don't care when black person kills 5 cops because of it. actually they quite enjoy it. More terrible news to report for more money.

>~<) I've been told this is not an era for listening. so i won't spend too much time trying to convince you. I hope you can look outside and see that there is something seriously wrong with our world and seek the truth. or the closest thing to it.

and i wish you good luck with that. : ) and i hope you spend the rest of the day well and happy

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So Clinton have killed political opponents?

Yes, people have dissapeared or turned out right assassinated. I'll try and find "the list"

Hills is that dodgy ey? darned XD hopefully those polls about Hillary being the favourite are false

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So you would rather believe false things since you found them, rather than facts since they are from the illuminati... No I meant the media.. Gotta say that makes sense!

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So you would rather believe false things since you found them, rather than facts since they are from the illuminati... No I meant the media.. Gotta say that makes sense!

false because there is no 100% way to prove them unless i conducted the investigation myself. I also find true information as well. I Honestly believe i find more true information than false : D

but like i said, this isn't an era for listening right? XD you're not really interested in my opinion are ya? :P I still wish you a good week. >U< Hopefully the weather is nice where you are!

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Contrarian Expatriate

Trump will be the next President of the US; get used to it or get out.

Will you get out when January 2017 comes around and he's nowhere near the White House?

The political winds virtually guarantee a Trump win. Hillary is toast.

I currently live abroad and vote absentee. If Trump wins, I'll spend considerably more time in my American homes.

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So Clinton have killed political opponents?

Yes, people have dissapeared or turned out right assassinated. I'll try and find "the list"

Hills is that dodgy ey? darned XD hopefully those polls about Hillary being the favourite are false

The polls are unbelievably set up right now.

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I'd rather believe false conspiracies i found from my own research than the garbage media these days spew at us.

Well, that says it all. Your false conspiracies are better than the media's false conspiracies. :lol:

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I'd rather believe false conspiracies i found from my own research than the garbage media these days spew at us.

Well, that says it all. Your false conspiracies are better than the media's false conspiracies. :lol:

:D they areeeeeeee

glad you understand <3

oh and to clear things up. i don't believe the media are just lying every other sentence. ^^" just on more important topics that will directly affect the public. they don't really need to lie about everything. :> gotta gain some of the public's trust.

I'll start listening to them when they refuse to accept pay from anyone accept their patreon supporters haha that'd be fun XD

So Clinton have killed political opponents?

Yes, people have dissapeared or turned out right assassinated. I'll try and find "the list"

Hills is that dodgy ey? darned XD hopefully those polls about Hillary being the favourite are false

The polls are unbelievably set up right now.

I think they did the same for Brexit, ouchies

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Washington Post writer's tweets just now about what just happened during Ted Cruz' speech at the Republican National Convention. Chris CillizzaVerified account @TheFix

Terrific speech by Cruz. Well written, smartly themed and well delivered.

Crowd is chanting "Endorse Trump" to goad Cruz.

"I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation."

Terrific trolling

This is pretty stunning. Cruz is making his 2020 pitch into the camera as audience screams and jeers at him

Ted Cruz realizes his audience isn't the people on the convention floor

HOLY CRAP

Cruz has now cemented his role as the leading anti-Trump voice within the GOP. Which could be a very good place to be.

Trump walked out to join his family as Cruz was finishing, stepping on the end of the speech.

100000000% on purpose

Man that was a remarkable speech and a remarkable moment.

Ted Cruz's speech was a BIG bet that 1) Trump will lose and 2) Republicans will regret every nominating him.

HEIDI CRUZ escorted out by security as crowd gets angry at Cruz for his speech.

I didn't know Cruz had it in him to take a gamble like that one.

Here's Ted Cruz's full convention speech. Watch it. It will be the only thing people are talking about tomorrow

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/755951707868262401

A little while later this writer posted his essay on the Washington Post:

Winners and losers from the 3rd night of the Republican Convention
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You're right -- that was Cruz's first campaign speech for 2020.

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Michael Moore wrote a very interesting essay outlining all the reasons Trump has a better shot at winning than we might think and why Clinton's campaign is doomed.

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Friends:
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.

I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!

You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts – “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!” – or logic – “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!” – is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “a small plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to – we need to – hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a shit show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”

Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen – and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.

Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women – check. Abortion should be legal – check. Stronger environmental laws – check. More gun control – check. Legalize marijuana – check. A huge shift has taken place – just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.

Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:

1) Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November.

2) The Last Stand of the Angry White Man. Our male-dominated, 240-year run of the USA is coming to an end. A woman is about to take over! How did this happen?! On our watch! There were warning signs, but we ignored them. Nixon, the gender traitor, imposing Title IX on us, the rule that said girls in school should get an equal chance at playing sports. Then they let them fly commercial jets. Before we knew it, Beyoncé stormed on the field at this year’s Super Bowl (our game!) with an army of Black Women, fists raised, declaring that our domination was hereby terminated! Oh, the humanity!

That’s a small peek into the mind of the Endangered White Male. There is a sense that the power has slipped out of their hands, that their way of doing things is no longer how things are done. This monster, the “Feminazi,”the thing that as Trump says, “bleeds through her eyes or wherever she bleeds,” has conquered us — and now, after having had to endure eight years of a black man telling us what to do, we’re supposed to just sit back and take eight years of a woman bossing us around? After that it’ll be eight years of the gays in the White House! Then the transgenders! You can see where this is going. By then animals will have been granted human rights and a fuckin’ hamster is going to be running the country. This has to stop!

3) The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.

Let’s face it: Our biggest problem here isn’t Trump – it’s Hillary. She is hugely unpopular — nearly 70% of all voters think she is untrustworthy and dishonest. She represents the old way of politics, not really believing in anything other than what can get you elected. That’s why she fights against gays getting married one moment, and the next she’s officiating a gay marriage. Young women are among her biggest detractors, which has to hurt considering it’s the sacrifices and the battles that Hillary and other women of her generation endured so that this younger generation would never have to be told by the Barbara Bushes of the world that they should just shut up and go bake some cookies. But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her. No Democrat, and certainly no independent, is waking up on November 8th excited to run out and vote for Hillary the way they did the day Obama became president or when Bernie was on the primary ballot. The enthusiasm just isn’t there. And because this election is going to come down to just one thing — who drags the most people out of the house and gets them to the polls — Trump right now is in the catbird seat.

4) The Depressed Sanders Vote. Stop fretting about Bernie’s supporters not voting for Clinton – we’re voting for Clinton! The polls already show that more Sanders voters will vote for Hillary this year than the number of Hillary primary voters in ’08 who then voted for Obama. This is not the problem. The fire alarm that should be going off is that while the average Bernie backer will drag him/herself to the polls that day to somewhat reluctantly vote for Hillary, it will be what’s called a “depressed vote” – meaning the voter doesn’t bring five people to vote with her. He doesn’t volunteer 10 hours in the month leading up to the election. She never talks in an excited voice when asked why she’s voting for Hillary. A depressed voter. Because, when you’re young, you have zero tolerance for phonies and BS. Returning to the Clinton/Bush era for them is like suddenly having to pay for music, or using MySpace or carrying around one of those big-ass portable phones. They’re not going to vote for Trump; some will vote third party, but many will just stay home. Hillary Clinton is going to have to do something to give them a reason to support her — and picking a moderate, bland-o, middle of the road old white guy as her running mate is not the kind of edgy move that tells millenials that their vote is important to Hillary. Having two women on the ticket – that was an exciting idea. But then Hillary got scared and has decided to play it safe. This is just one example of how she is killing the youth vote.

5) The Jesse Ventura Effect. Finally, do not discount the electorate’s ability to be mischievous or underestimate how any millions fancy themselves as closet anarchists once they draw the curtain and are all alone in the voting booth. It’s one of the few places left in society where there are no security cameras, no listening devices, no spouses, no kids, no boss, no cops, there’s not even a friggin’ time limit. You can take as long as you need in there and no one can make you do anything. You can push the button and vote a straight party line, or you can write in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. There are no rules. And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad. And in the same way like when you’re standing on the edge of Niagara Falls and your mind wonders for a moment what would that feel like to go over that thing, a lot of people are going to love being in the position of puppetmaster and plunking down for Trump just to see what that might look like. Remember back in the ‘90s when the people of Minnesota elected a professional wrestler as their governor? They didn’t do this because they’re stupid or thought that Jesse Ventura was some sort of statesman or political intellectual. They did so just because they could. Minnesota is one of the smartest states in the country. It is also filled with people who have a dark sense of humor — and voting for Ventura was their version of a good practical joke on a sick political system. This is going to happen again with Trump.

Coming back to the hotel after appearing on Bill Maher’s Republican Convention special this week on HBO, a man stopped me. “Mike,” he said, “we have to vote for Trump. We HAVE to shake things up.” That was it. That was enough for him. To “shake things up.” President Trump would indeed do just that, and a good chunk of the electorate would like to sit in the bleachers and watch that reality show.

Yours,

Michael Moore

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While I disagree with how they see Trump and interpret the world view. They are right about one thing. Trump is the change we need, not the change we deserve. He has changed the game. People are waking up to the disgusting political system and its support of Hillary after what they did to Bernie Sanders.

Change is coming. Real change, not Obama change.

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Michael Moore is ONLY trying to SCARE American voters , go Moore go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FACT

Obama base voters ELECTED a president 2 times, WE are the MAJORITY voting block

Soooooooooooooooooooooo

The only way Trump can "win" in NOV 2016 ,Obama base voters stay home and DO NOT VOTE.

There is not enough white people to block Obama base voters if we all come out to vote in Nov.

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I couldn't stand this guy's writing style so I just skimmed parts of it, but the basic idea seems to be that Trump will win because 1) the government is corrupt and will make voting inaccessible to a large number of Hillary voters and 2) Hillary voters are not as passionate as Trump voters. The first reason is absolutely inexcusable in a free democracy but unfortunately I'm afraid it may be a reality in the United States.

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I was still more scared of Ted Cruz as a possible president. But we can still "write-in" Bernie Sanders or somebody on the ballot.

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I only skimmed this as I couldn`t stand reading the whole thing, but from what I`ve read here and the other Trump thread I gather that Trump supporters are very passionate about supporting their racist, sexist and fascist disciple.

*AoA runs from here as fast as she can*

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There is Gary Johnson. He's running as a Libertarian candidate.

I just wanted to clarify. I'm not voting for him. I'm voting for Hillary. I was mentioning that he was supposed to be another option in Nov.

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