Master Trump Thread

[ben8884]

Are the late night shows on vacation? I need to hear Colbert and Myers's views on this. 

[daveb]

13 minutes ago, ben8884 said:

Are the late night shows on vacation? I need to hear Colbert and Myers's views on this. 

Looks like those 2 are at least. Yeah, I want to get their takes.  

[Sally]

I need to stop reading all the reactions to the verdict; all of them predict that it will make no difference whatsoever to Trump's support, except for actually increasing it.  

[daveb]

I think it's too soon to really tell and who knows what else will happen. That said, yeah, a lot of people have made up their minds by now (or long before now) as to whether they support him or not and are not likely to be swayed by much (yeah, not even a conviction). Those who can be swayed seem to be almost evenly divided, but there are margins of error that are big enough to mean it could go either way. It is sad that so many supporters and Republican and others seem to stick by him no matter what. I guess that is in keeping with the idea of a cult of personality. It is scary, but we can't give in to fear. We have to keep voting and hold onto hope that we can prevail again. Anyone who is concerned about him being elected again needs to vote in November, at the very least.

 

And remember, especially in the "swing states", it doesn't take many people to swing the vote (either way, of course - but that just means we need more Biden supporters voting in those states. Their votes could very well decide whether we will still be living in a democracy or whether we will be subjected to an authoritarian. Whether women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, rights of people of color, human rights, civil rights, and voting rights will prevail or be assaulted.

 

There's a scary prospect, but there is also still hope.

[Sally]

Whether or not we "give in to fear" will make no difference to the vote. Yes, we need to encourage everyone to vote intelligently, and encourage those people who are so depressed to set aside their depression and vote.  I know that you're always hopeful and want to maintain positivity, @daveb, but some of us disagree that there is much to hope for.  In other words, yes, we should take action and ask others to do so, but we can still maintain our own personal well-thought-out predictions.  

[Shaun1995]

How about Trump?
His situation is definitely intense and complicated. He will likely appeal the decision. This law firm mentions that he could do that if there were any legal errors during the trial. If his legal team can effectively argue that such errors influenced the trial's outcome, there's a chance the conviction could be overturned. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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[Nick2]

All I know is that Trump is a man of conviction.

[Gentle Giant]

I agree with @daveb. Those people who are sticking with T-rump despite being convicted were never going to change their minds about him. The money he’s raised since the conviction also could be just his diehard supporters throwing their money away on him again. I don’t think it is likely new supporters he’s gaining. I think he’s lost voters since Jan 6th and those people won’t be going back to him.

 

I’m curious @Sally why you are so convinced that T-rump will get elected again?

[Sally]

11 minutes ago, Gentle Giant said:

I’m curious @Sally why you are so convinced that T-rump will get elected again?

Trump has been very politically astute since the verdicts by solidifying his martyr status, and has taken in quite a bit of funding since then.  His attorneys have also been able to postpone at least one of his other criminal trials.  The Republican Party is showing itself to be solidly behind him.  Biden's polling has not risen one iota since Trump's verdicts, and his son's trial is due to start next week -- and he unfortunately made a statement today that could (and will) be slanted to sound as though he is defending what Hunter did.  His campaign is simply not doing a good -- or even halfway decent -- job of talking about what Biden's done for Americans, and the Dem Party is out to lunch, with nowhere near solid support for its own supposed candidate.  His age is constantly talked about, whereas Trump's is not, mainly because Trump has been on the front page of every media outlet since he lost the election, and although he sounds stupid, he TALKS EVERY DAY -- and that shows energy.  Biden does not talk; his administration issues presents statements.  .  

 

Yes, it is a good thing to hope.  But realism is needed also.  

[Shaun1995]

9 hours ago, Nick2 said:

All I know is that Trump is a man of conviction.

34 of them and (possibly) still counting

[Dagomir]

On 6/2/2024 at 6:01 PM, ben8884 said:

Are the late night shows on vacation? I need to hear Colbert and Myers's views on this. 

You've probably already seen it but anyway, here it is

 

 

[Gentle Giant]

I was disappointed in a writer I usually agree with in our local paper. He said Do we really want a convicted felon for president? and then also said Do we really want a person who shows borderline dementia as Biden often does? I thought, Noooo! Don’t say that about Biden! It’s a fact that T-rump is a convicted felon, but not a fact that Biden has dementia. How can anyone still think that after Biden’s State of the Union speech? He was very strong in it. I think the paper is being very reckless with the things being said in it, that other guy I talked about before was also spewing his anti-vax crap again!

 

@Sally Maybe Biden should have some televised town hall meetings? He also just got an interview with Time magazine. Yes, he could speak out more, but not like T-rump who just blabs on too much and too often, which is tiring. Hopefully people will be sick of him!

 

[Sally]

For people who may worry about Biden having borderline dementia, consider this:

 

Even if it were true, Biden will have many good people around him, in his cabinet and as heads of government departments, who are likely to care about doing what is good for the country.  During his current term, Biden has done many good things for the country and us as its people -- things by which he attempted to make our lives easier.  He is very likely to do the same thing during his next term, and even if his cognition were to slow, the people he appoint in his administration will care about the things he does.  

 

Trump, on the other hand, will appoint the same type of people he appointed in his first term, who were not good people, and cared only for their own personal financial wellbeing.  He has stated very clearly that he intends to concentrate on punishing in every way he can those who have opposed him. or simply have not supported him, including those who believe that he actually won the election in 2020.  His Vice President will definitely be someone who simply follows his orders, because he can't accept disagreement.  That's the kind of President he will be.

 

One of these guys is going to win the election.  Not Kennedy Jr, not anybody else who decides to run from some minor party.  Only Trump or Biden.  Which do you think will be better for the country?

[Gentle Giant]

I just watched Biden’s excellent and powerful Normandy speech. T-rump could never do that.

[Sally]

22 minutes ago, Gentle Giant said:

I just watched Biden’s excellent and powerful Normandy speech. T-rump could never do that.

And he wouldn't even try, because he doesn't give a damn about anything that doesn't give him more money or power.  

[Guest]

DYT Trump is a psychopath? I probably would bet he likes to think he is, and that is unusual for a billionaire president, I would have thought. IDK if that means he is relatively harmless or the nuke the space multiplex dangerous.

[Sally]

9 minutes ago, doot said:

DYT Trump is a psychopath? I probably would bet he likes to think he is, and that is unusual for a billionaire president, I would have thought. IDK if that means he is relatively harmless or the nuke the space multiplex dangerous.

No, and he doesn't likely think he is.  He's a sociopath, and at this point he likely isn't a billlionaire anymore.  

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Sally said:

No, and he doesn't likely think he is.  He's a sociopath, and at this point he likely isn't a billlionaire anymore.  

Yeah I get that.

 

Not in a psychopaths are cool, actually way, but he keeps making the same mistakes, and I associate that more with sociopathy than a lack of conscience etc..

[Sally]

45 minutes ago, doot said:

Yeah I get that.

 

Not in a psychopaths are cool, actually way, but he keeps making the same mistakes, and I associate that more with sociopathy than a lack of conscience etc..

Mistakes have nothing to do with either psycopathy or sociopathy.  He makes mistakes because he is simply both stupid and ignorant.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Sally said:

Mistakes have nothing to do with either psycopathy or sociopathy.  He makes mistakes because he is simply both stupid and ignorant.

inability to... profit from experience, especially punishment

 

ICD-10 for dissocial personality

 

Anyway, I don't much care about this conversation.

[Gentle Giant]

I saw clips of Dr. Phil interviewing T-rump and it was absolutely sickening! Dr. Phil was sucking up to and defending T-rump! What the heck!? It looked so stupid and was an attempt to manipulate the public.

[Olallieberry]

4 hours ago, Gentle Giant said:

I saw clips of Dr. Phil interviewing T-rump and it was absolutely sickening! Dr. Phil was sucking up to and defending T-rump! What the heck!? It looked so stupid and was an attempt to manipulate the public.

So, Dr. Phil-as-usual? There's nothing surprising about this, Phil has always been a conservative goblin and used his show to platform that.

[Olallieberry]

To his credit, I've seen parts of the Dr. Phil interview now, and, Phil looked damn embarassed to have to sit there while Trump repeated the same defamatory statements about E. Jean Carroll that got him $91 million worth of civil judgements against him already. Carroll will sue again, and Phil's show wasn't the only place where Trump repeated this defamation since the two judgements.

 

Phil wouldn't look at The Donald, or even at the camera, while Trump used his show to repeat the same defamation he's already lost two cases for.

 

Real smart, this guy.

[Gentle Giant]

I haven’t seen Dr. Phil's show in ages. I had thought he seemed like a sensible person. So it was shocking to me that he would be propping up T-rump like he did. He’s usually hard on people, but gave T-rump a total pass on his horrible behavior. It felt like we’re in the Twilight Zone the way they both were gaslighting the public. I didn’t see the part where T-rump defamed E. Jean Carroll again. Phil should be embarrassed. Maybe she will sue Phil too.

 

I’ve been thinking, I really don’t think he will pick a woman or person of color for his VP, and I don’t understand why any of them would want to be his VP either. He might not even have a VP if he can’t find someone he thinks would be totally loyal to him.

[Olallieberry]

4 hours ago, Gentle Giant said:

He might not even have a VP

Of course he'll have a VP. It just might not be someone from his party - in the insane case where there isn't a Republican VP candidate and only the other parties' presidential candidates appear on the ballot.

 

I looked into it. Amendment 12 of the Constitution is pretty clear that if nobody votes for a Republican VP candidate (because there isn't one on the ballot), and the Democrat VP candidate gets the majority of the votes, that person becomes VP no matter who gets elected as President.

 

Sure, ballots are presented as "a vote for a President candidarte and a VP candidate," but constitutionally it's still handled as a vote for a President candidate and a separate vote for a VP candidate.

 

But, as unpalatable as running with Donald is, some jerkoff will run. It's completely unthinkable that the party won't have a VP candidate, and there are too many people who see it as a route to irresistible power.

[Gentle Giant]

Oh that is interesting info about VPs. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. I just thought maybe T-rump wouldn’t want to share power at the top and skip having a VP if he couldn’t find anyone subservient enough for him. He doesn’t follow rules anyway. But they certainly wouldn’t want to have that happen that the Democratic VP to get in instead of someone of their own, so as you say, they will have one.

[Olallieberry]

I mean, even if that did happen, Trump would just Seal Team Six them and appoint someone else, subject to Congress's approval. That's the process for filling a VP vacancy.

[Sally]

I was previously thinking that he would pick someone who was willing to bow down to him during his term, knowing that this will be his last term.  However, he's talked about expecting to have a 3rd term, so his pick is going be more difficult, since it will be someone who has absolutely no brain and thus no political ambition -- a complete non-entity.  

[Rockblossom]

Rally in Las Vegas, and Donny Dementia has the following to say about the move to EVs, and batteries:

 

“I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight, and you’re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery’s now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?’

“By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice that? Lot of sharks. I watched some guys justifying it today: ‘Well they weren’t really that angry, they bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was.’ These people are crazy. He said, ‘There’s no problem with sharks, they just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming.’ No, really got decimated, and other people, too, a lot of shark attacks.

“So I said, ‘There’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards, or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking? Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted, or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?’ Because I will tell you, he didn’t know the answer.

“He said, ‘You know, nobody’s ever asked me that question.’ I said, ‘I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water.’ But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted? I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark. So we’re going to end that, we’re going to end it for boats, we’re going to end it for trucks.”

 

 

So ... we don't want trucks with batteries because ... sharks.  🦈🦈

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/10/trump-sharks-electrocuted-boat-story/

 

Bonus:  Marjorie Taylor Greene in Las Vegas complains that "if you think gas prices are high now, just wait until you're forced to drive an electric vehicle."