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[for the creator of this topic- I'm sorry most of my comments are so irrelevant, but I couldn't not comment...]

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Rising Sun

Tar, are you confusing this thread (about Donald Trump) with Happy Bunny's threads about veganism and speciesism ? Because if not, I don't follow you. I'm against speciesism too, but what does this have to do with Trump ?

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poindexter

I'm going to go with "no"... but I probably wouldn't put money on it.

The only response I can think of to people who say that Trump isn't a genocidal maniac is "...yet."

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Tarfeather

Tar, are you confusing this thread (about Donald Trump) with Happy Bunny's threads about veganism and speciesism ? Because if not, I don't follow you. I'm against speciesism too, but what does this have to do with Trump ?

I just don't think saying that Hitler was evil and Trump is not makes any sense, because "evil" is highly dependent on the person judging. I think Hitler was evil, yes, but I also think Trump and pretty much most of us that feed off the corrupt and evil system that we have in place today, are evil as well. By which I include myself.

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Rising Sun

I don't view Trump or people in general as truly evil for the simple reason that their ideas come from ignorance. Complete stupidity causes horrible things as well as genuinely malevolent intentions.

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Nigellaseed

The thing is, a lot of these politicians that so near the top they are quite often come from highly privileged backgrounds, maybe sent away at an early age to school away from their families (mother) and they are so out of touch from the average person in the society they govern. I am from the Uk and only know so much about Trump from what I have read recently but we have our equivalent politicians here too. Btw I would like to add that not all privileged people are like that nor people who attend private education. Money does enable people like him to get heard more and that is the problem.

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Tarfeather

I don't view Trump or people in general as truly evil for the simple reason that their ideas come from ignorance. Complete stupidity causes horrible things as well as genuinely malevolent intentions.

Hitler's idea also came from "ignorance". Or more precisely, dude was severely mentally ill. He actually thought he was doing the world something good with what he did.

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Nigellaseed

Yes, because Hitler was a sociopath but am not entirely sure we can say that about Trump...yet?

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Tarfeather

"I will torture even if it doesn't work, they deserve it"

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Nigellaseed

Sorry Tar...is that one of Trump's quotes then?

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Tarfeather

Yeah, the exact quote is “If it doesn’t work,” Trump said, “they deserve it anyway, for what they’re doing.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-torture-works-backs-waterboarding-and-much-worse/2016/02/17/4c9277be-d59c-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html

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Nigellaseed

Psycopath then?

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Nigellaseed

I mean there are politicians in uk who are the same but hide behind the label of Democrats and Socialists...at least on one hand better the devil you can see?

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idekrncidc231

Curiously enough Hitler 'supposedly' killed himself April 30th of 45 while Trump was born June 14th of 46... ... ... Hm... ... Meh... *shrugs* I don't believe in reincarnation though. You die and go to hell. Or. Heaven for a lucky few. But a silly theory. They both seem like dolts are calculating seem to care when they really don't.... Meh *shrugs* hopefully Trump won't try to take over the world though.

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thylacine

I think some of us got a little off the subject here, but that's okay, it always happens that way... anyway... sheesh... it would be damn scary for this country if The Donald won. One of his ex-wives said he used to read books about Hitler, like he was some kind of fan or something... eeek !

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Pan Ficto. (on hiatus?)

Sorry Tar...is that one of Trump's quotes then?

I am pretty sure he's said a lot of scary stuff from what I've caught in the few news clips I've seen. He seems to suggest quite regularly he'd happily wipe out entire nations of people (because hey, Mexicans are all rapists anyway, right? according to Trump anyway haha) and yeah, happily torture people who he thinks deserve it.. Blow up countries to stop ISIS or something along those lines.. just.. yeah. Not the sort of person one wants to have the power to set off nuclear weapons.. Or any power at all really.

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sonofzeal

There are a lot of points of comparison between Hitler and Trump.

Are they an actual reincarnation? No, of course not. Even accepting reincarnation here, that would be too much of a coincidence. They're just both exploiting the same social dynamics to propel their rise to power. They're using the same tool, and using it similarly. It's a great case study to explain why people were willing to vote for Hitler in the first place, how he got into power and kept it so well. They're not the same, but they're analogous.

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Pumpkin Spice Eggnog Latte

You're not the only one worried about this. I don't use Hitler comparisons lightly but I do it with Trump. I won't do it with Cruz or Kasich or many other people, but Trump kind of earned it.

I do come from a Jewish family and I'm genuinely worried that he will take Muslims and put them in concentration camps or something similar. I mean why not? It's not a far step from the other things he's saying about them. And I am NOT okay with that.

I am worried that he will attempt to nuke North Korea because Kim Jon Un said his penis was tiny. And knowing the temperment of both people, that's a totally plausible worry.

Hell I'm worried that even Mark Cuban says that he doesn't like him. He says Trump will be bad for Wall Street which will of course make the Bernie voters who just think "wall street bad" go CRAZY if Hilary doesn't get the nomination (note: I'm a bernie supporter myself)

I'm seriously considering using the law of return to go to Israel because of this guy.

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Guest

...but Hitler was actually intelligent though. Trump is...something.

Let's give Hitler some credit, the guy actually seems smart and calculating.

Jesus Christ I never thought I'd be defending Hitler. What a time to be alive.

You folks are overrating him. What Hitler was, was exceedingly, hypnotically charismatic - there's no doubt that he was one of the most brilliant rhetorical demagogues who ever lived.

However, I don't think he was extraordinarily intelligent (what little I know of "Mein Kampf" doesn't look like the writings of a smart person, just an average guy with frightening delusions of grandeur and a murderous vision for Germany), and certainly not the strategic or political genius he liked to see himself as - the two "brain guys" in his crew were Goebbels and Speer. Trump is probably even dumber, but that's a pretty low hurdle to leap over for old Adolf. ;)

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NerotheReaper

I don't know about being reincarnated, but I can safely say both of them are men who are calculating and can fool the general public. Being able to charm and manipulate someone, or multiple people that they are right. Hitler was able to convince people to follow him, and that he was looking out for them. We all know how the story ends. Trump is using fear tactics and aggression to get power, if he gets elected he will claim his actions are what is best for the American people.

Both of them are terrible people.

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Tarfeather

You're not the only one worried about this. I don't use Hitler comparisons lightly but I do it with Trump. I won't do it with Cruz or Kasich or many other people, but Trump kind of earned it.

I do come from a Jewish family and I'm genuinely worried that he will take Muslims and put them in concentration camps or something similar. I mean why not? It's not a far step from the other things he's saying about them. And I am NOT okay with that.

I am worried that he will attempt to nuke North Korea because Kim Jon Un said his penis was tiny. And knowing the temperment of both people, that's a totally plausible worry.

Hell I'm worried that even Mark Cuban says that he doesn't like him. He says Trump will be bad for Wall Street which will of course make the Bernie voters who just think "wall street bad" go CRAZY if Hilary doesn't get the nomination (note: I'm a bernie supporter myself)

I'm seriously considering using the law of return to go to Israel because of this guy.

Thing is, the US and its allies (and yes that includes my country) have been comitting pretty horrendous crimes already. The only difference is that they did this outside the borders of the US. As I'm not a US citizen, I don't particularly care whether Trump will do similarly bad things within the US, to what Hillary will be certain to do outside the US. To me, they're all human, and the two candidates look equally bad on a humanitarian scale. But, you know, Trump at least is being honest about it, and so it's obvious to anyone with principles that we must fight him as a president. Hillary might end up committing equally evil acts, but she'll try to cover it up, and let's be honest, as long as she commits these crimes outside the US, even the mainstream "liberals" in the US won't really care.

So, from a humanitarian perspective, I might indeed prefer Trump over Hillary, simply because Trump is an obvious evil that we can unite against.

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SparrowBird

I like to read paranormal stuff for fun... I don't always take it seriously, mostly for entertainment... but yeah, I do believe in some things, like an afterlife, and I know people who "have experiences." Well, anyway, I've been reading about reincarnation lately, too... It has come to my attention that there are some similarities between a certain absolutely horrible historical figure that most sensible people hate (you know who I mean!) and ... The Donald! I began to almost wonder if The Donald is The Adolf come back to cause more trouble... ?

There is stuff on the internet about this theory so I'm not the only one who worries about it. Okay, so most of you reading this will probably be like, "oh he's just a celebrity" and such... but what if he does get elected? I'm terrified of what will happen to this country if he does. Sheesh! Recently there was a photograph of a group of his followers at a rally and they all had their little hands up in the air Nazi-style, and a another pic of the Frump with his hand up in the air like that, too... I recognized the ugly gesture immediately... oh my God, this is scary, so scary.

Am I the only one who is terrified of this guy getting elected? I'm afraid he'll get elected and start wars all over the place, like we haven't had enough wars already. I know a lot of people are not too thrilled with Hillary, her not being perfect and all that, but I sure hope either her or Bernie wins... I'd vote for a cat before I'd vote for that guy.

Anyone else worried that after November we'll see a parade of men stomping down the street all dress in brown?

I don't like Donald Trump particularily or any other candidate however I've seen and read a lot of Trump's statements and I also have studied a lot about..propaganda. The main reason why the media seems to hate Trump is because he doesn't agree with the policy of globalization and speaks against illegal refugees. So let me get this straight..the media and people make Trump be supposedly Hitler's reincarnation because the man doesn't agree with a policy that MOST US president-puppets have agreed to based on the profits of their bosses and the banks, and speaks against illegal immigrants who cause criminality increase to the country? So basically what you suggest is that a person who doesn't agree with the politically correct policy and ''ideology'', is supposed to be a..fascist and more specifically Hitler's reincarnation?

Are we serious now? Is propaganda really that strong on the media that people seem so easily influenced from it? Don't you guys think it's awfully suspicious that once a person self-made of his business and not depending on the Rothchilds and Rockfellers money, went up as a candidate and started speaking HIS mind and not the mind of the bankers and the media, as it happened with ALL the other president candidates before, everyone seemed to suddenly attack him? I mean even if you think that the man's views are unfair at some point how can you actually suggest that he's like Hitler? COME ON. If you think that Trump is like Hitler then what should we call ALL the other puppet presidents of the US who have contributed to the slaughter, the discrimination and the destruction of hundreds of countries and nations all these years? If Trump is Hitler then what are the puppets of the previous and current US government? The dogs from Hell? Or Satan himself?

PLEASEE....if you are willing to condemn a man for his views and think that Trump is like Hitler, then a. We must all agree that there is no more such thing as ''freedom of thought and speech and respect for it'', there's only ''freedom for thought and speech that is politically correct and doesn't hurt anyone's feelings'', which is a lot different from what REAL FREEDOM of thought and speech is and b. If we call Trump a Hitler minion then we should all agree that all previous US presidents should be in trial for mass murders, crimes against humanity, massive brainwashing propaganda and mind control and massive lies and stealing from society and people's money.

Please...

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Malum

The amount of indoctrination and missinformation in this thread is absolutly disgusting. Not only are the majority of you drinking the media's koolaid, you are beliving false narratives designed to control you. Your priorities are also in disarray.

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Nigellaseed

The amount of indoctrination and missinformation in this thread is absolutly disgusting. Not only are the majority of you drinking the media's koolaid, you are beliving false narratives designed to control you. Your priorities are also in disarray.

Can you elaborate please?

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Malum

The amount of indoctrination and missinformation in this thread is absolutly disgusting. Not only are the majority of you drinking the media's koolaid, you are beliving false narratives designed to control you. Your priorities are also in disarray.

Can you elaborate please?

Well for starters none of you know anything about Trump other than what the media portrays obviously. Claiming he is a bad person proves this. Not understanding his campaign stratagy to hyjack the media and avert everyones gaze to him instead of his competition, further proves your ignorance. He says shit to ryle up jimmies so you only have him in your mind. Its so mindblowingly smart that all of the media is promoting him out of sheer ignorance. Everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells. He is running his campaign like a buisness and he is winning because he knows the game better than anyone.

As for why he is a nice guy, just google that shit. Especially stuff befor the election. He is the Tony Stark of our shit world.

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Nigellaseed

Interesting perspective Jaaku.

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Tarfeather

The amount of indoctrination and missinformation in this thread is absolutly disgusting. Not only are the majority of you drinking the media's koolaid, you are beliving false narratives designed to control you. Your priorities are also in disarray.

Can you elaborate please?

Well for starters none of you know anything about Trump other than what the media portrays obviously. Claiming he is a bad person proves this. Not understanding his campaign stratagy to hyjack the media and avert everyones gaze to him instead of his competition, further proves your ignorance. He says shit to ryle up jimmies so you only have him in your mind. Its so mindblowingly smart that all of the media is promoting him out of sheer ignorance. Everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells. He is running his campaign like a buisness and he is winning because he knows the game better than anyone.

As for why he is a nice guy, just google that shit. Especially stuff befor the election. He is the Tony Stark of our shit world.

He knows how to sell himself, that for sure, but I think you're granting him too much self-awareness. The reason he's able to "play his part" in all this, is because that's how he's actually grown his genuine persona. He actually to some extent believes the stuff he says, even when he contradicts himself. I have no reason to believe that once elected into office, he'd suddenly reveal himself to be totally aware of what he's doing. He'll just continue on as he has been.

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sonofzeal

Well for starters none of you know anything about Trump other than what the media portrays obviously. Claiming he is a bad person proves this. Not understanding his campaign stratagy to hyjack the media and avert everyones gaze to him instead of his competition, further proves your ignorance. He says shit to ryle up jimmies so you only have him in your mind. Its so mindblowingly smart that all of the media is promoting him out of sheer ignorance. Everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells. He is running his campaign like a buisness and he is winning because he knows the game better than anyone.

As for why he is a nice guy, just google that shit. Especially stuff befor the election. He is the Tony Stark of our shit world.

Notably, people said the exact same things about Hitler, during his rise to power - that all the vitriol was just an election strategy, and point to some of his other accomplishments as proof that it wasn't who he actually was.

Trump's dad was almost certainly a Ku Klux Klansman. Trump's business strategy can charitably be described as "scorched earth". His behavior towards minorities and especially women has always been atrocious (slight retraction: the initial quote may have been taken out of context, but the rest stands).

This is not a nice man, or a wise man, or a man who cares about anything other than his own advancement. He pitches himself as the best head of state because of his negotiation prowess, but do you really believe that he'd be negotiating with America's best interests in mind, rather than his own? If so, I have a bridge to sell you, and it's an excellent bridge. Superb. And the trolls and spambots will pay for it.

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Malum

Well for starters none of you know anything about Trump other than what the media portrays obviously. Claiming he is a bad person proves this. Not understanding his campaign stratagy to hyjack the media and avert everyones gaze to him instead of his competition, further proves your ignorance. He says shit to ryle up jimmies so you only have him in your mind. Its so mindblowingly smart that all of the media is promoting him out of sheer ignorance. Everyone is talking about him. Controversy sells. He is running his campaign like a buisness and he is winning because he knows the game better than anyone.

As for why he is a nice guy, just google that shit. Especially stuff befor the election. He is the Tony Stark of our shit world.

Notably, people said the exact same things about Hitler, during his rise to power - that all the vitriol was just an election strategy, and point to some of his other accomplishments as proof that it wasn't who he actually was.

Trump's dad was almost certainly a Ku Klux Klansman. Trump's business strategy can charitably be described as "scorched earth". His behavior towards minorities and especially women has always been atrocious (slight retraction: the initial quote may have been taken out of context, but the rest stands).

This is not a nice man, or a wise man, or a man who cares about anything other than his own advancement. He pitches himself as the best head of state because of his negotiation prowess, but do you really believe that he'd be negotiating with America's best interests in mind, rather than his own? If so, I have a bridge to sell you, and it's an excellent bridge. Superb. And the trolls and spambots will pay for it.

So you are posting newsites as factual evidence when things like NyT are well known drive by media? This is exactly what I meant about drinking the media koolaid.

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sonofzeal

So you are posting newsites as factual evidence when things like NyT are well known drive by media? This is exactly what I meant about drinking the media koolaid.

Tell me, then, what would you accept as a trustworthy source of information? Where's your hard evidence to contradict?

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