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Another thing that doesn't surprise me is how he abdicated any responsibility for things like declaring shutdowns, getting needed supplies to the right people/places, and any number of other things during this pandemic, but now wants to be the one who decides when to open things back up again. He wants to avoid anything that he thinks will make him look bad and embrace anything that he thinks will make him look good. We've seen that time and again.

 

Still boggles my mind that so many people (even apparently intelligent people) can still support him. I guess some people like authoritarians.

 

shakes head :( 

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The stimulus checks are being delayed because he wants his name printed on them. Does he think it will look like he personally gave us the money and we’ll be ever so grateful and vote for him? He abuses the coronavirus press briefings to be the rallies he can’t have. The experts should be the ones to speak, not him. It’s about a serious public health issue, not for him to blather on about himself, attack others, spread misinformation and any other crap he wants to say.

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5 hours ago, Gentle Giant said:

The stimulus checks are being delayed because he wants his name printed on them. Does he think it will look like he personally gave us the money and we’ll be ever so grateful and vote for him? 

 

Same policy with his "charity", giving away other people's money but his name on it instead. 

 

5 hours ago, Gentle Giant said:

 

He abuses the coronavirus press briefings to be the rallies he can’t have. The experts should be the ones to speak, not him. It’s about a serious public health issue, not for him to blather on about himself, attack others, spread misinformation and any other crap he wants to say.

Yes, it is just campaigning for him

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8 hours ago, Gentle Giant said:

The stimulus checks are being delayed because he wants his name printed on them. Does he think it will look like he personally gave us the money and we’ll be ever so grateful and vote for him? 

I would be more than willing to accept Trump's money rather than the government's, the people's, money. But if it's not coming from his bank account, it's not his money, and his name should be nowhere on it. 

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According to Snopes Trump's name will be on the memo line of the physical checks that will go out to anyone who doesn't get direct deposit.

see: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trumps-name-stimulus-checks/

 

Also, I see it being described as basically a tax cut/tax break that we're getting now instead of next year, since many people would have filed taxes for this tax season already.

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1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Cutting funding to WHO because you dropped the ball. 

To drop the ball, you need to be in possession of the ball first. Which I'm kind of inclined to doubt.

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Adding his latest buck-passing. The USA strategy for easing of lockdown restrictions is "leave it to each state to make their own plans". 

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The WHO have sided with China on some issues. 

 

Their spokesman has strong ties with them. 

 

I really don't blame Trump accusing them on their relationship with China. 

 

But the cutting on funding? Now?

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4 hours ago, Arodash said:

Like its still a valuable organization, hes acting impulsively

For Trump, everything for him is about himself and his optics. 

 

Most politicians are deceptively good at hiding this. You don't realize how much you appreciate it, until you see how blatant he is. It's almost an insult to all Americans. 

 

He clearly wants to pin all the blame on WHO for the deaths in the US, and his harsh actions makes it look like he is actually doing something to his base. 

 

Not only did he wait until mid March to start acting when it was way too late, he now wants to reopen your economy prematurely. 

 

Like jobs will magically start pouring back in. 

 

I was in Hong Kong. A smart president would take notes on the many places that dealt with this prior to them. 

 

This means, you can't reopen it hastily. You're just spreading things quicker.

 

Worse even. Customers will be avoiding to go out afraid of catching this. 

 

This will mean a wave of shuttering businesses, especially in the tourism industry. 

 

Just his lack of planning, and pointing to his instincts to get things restarted should scare as many people as his promise this disease would miraculously disappear.

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Yeah, Feb 15th we had no deaths in the USA from the virus.  By March 15th we had 100.  April 15th and 32,000 deaths.  Now in less than a month we need to return to normal or some kind a phase in thing.  Still very little testing on the scale we need to be doing it.  No vaccine for another year or so.  I am sure this will all work out just peachy.

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He doesn't realize things can't return to normal. Any dropping of your guard is numbers going out of control again. 

 

Numbers per capita tell the true story here. 

 

He flip flops on who is in charge, to the point most will just tune him out no longer trusting his leadership. 

 

Any silver lining?

 

His being crushed in the dropping percentage of people that think he is handling this well. Many more who are losing loved ones needlessly adding to that list. 

 

There will be so much material to crush him with by November. 

 

He is also distracted by this mess, so has no time to go on any campaign trail go further spread his message. 

 

Death tolls don't lie.

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16 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

He doesn't realize things can't return to normal. Any dropping of your guard is numbers going out of control again. 

 

Numbers per capita tell the true story here. 

 

He flip flops on who is in charge, to the point most will just tune him out no longer trusting his leadership. 

 

Any silver lining?

 

His being crushed in the dropping percentage of people that think he is handling this well. Many more who are losing loved ones needlessly adding to that list. 

 

There will be so much material to crush him with by November. 

 

He is also distracted by this mess, so has no time to go on any campaign trail go further spread his message. 

 

Death tolls don't lie.

4,591 deaths yesterday in the USA.  In one day.

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32 minutes ago, Nick2 said:

4,591 deaths yesterday in the USA.  In one day.

Wow. Sorry to hear. That's insane.

 

As a leader, your people will forgive your mistakes, if you take responsibility for them and communicate clearly as to what your plan will be to fix them.

 

I don't know, if I'm in his shoes I don't blame WHO, or Obama, I make it clear we all have a responsibility to end this virus. We will work with all our partners, to ensure we win.

This isn't the time to be making enemies.

 

While I really hate our Canadian prime minister not standing up to Trump's bullying tactics (really pissed me off, after he held up an N95 mask order at the border and many leaders in Canada tore a strip off of Trump, except Trudeau). He even promised not to do anything about it, and hoped a guy like Trump would do the right thing. To me, you command respect against a guy like that by force, or he walks all over you.

 

What I do like, is they were transparent about the dangers, and the fact this would take up to 18 months to resolve. They didn't rush to give us projections on death tolls and came under fire, but made sure they got all their facts right, prior to doing so.

 

People were panicking. He was ice in the veins calm, in reassuring his people.

 

I'm not even American, and I honestly hope you get rid of him. Honestly, you could put Kanye West in the white house, and he'd do a better job. At this point, you could put a dog scooting on the carpet in the oval office. Still an improvement.

 

He's your first president that has ever affected me. I usually never hear about your presidents in the media. If you're being talked about a lot outside your borders--it means you're f***ng up. Bigly.

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4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

 

As a leader, your people will forgive your mistakes, if you take responsibility for them and communicate clearly as to what your plan will be to fix them.

Except the people blaming Trump have tried to blame him for everything from day one of taking office even things out of his control. It doesn't matter if he takes responsibility that group of people aren't going to change their mindset. Also if you watch his press briefings he has told the country what his administration is doing, but many mainstream news stations stopped airing it because the press briefing were increasing Trump's poll numbers.

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3 hours ago, ♣Ryan♣ said:

Except the people blaming Trump have tried to blame him for everything from day one

I at first felt he was a victim, but you quickly realized he was a bully and that he made his bed and deserved the treatment. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

 

He's getting his own medicine passive aggressively.

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"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1, folks. And so you would think the people charged with the World Health Organization facts and figures would be on top of that." Kelly Ann Conway

 

That's a direct quote, not some media hoax. She said it on Fox. Talk about Dumb and Dumber. :P 

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Silly question, during this shutdown, is Trump Organizational paying it's staff

 

I was listening to Mark Cuban say that he was paying the Maverick staff (the cleaners, security etc) while this is going on and I am wondering if Trump Organizational would follow suit

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37 minutes ago, Arodash said:

If Trump employees who cant work where not getting paid someone would have already spoken out about it, so... maybe? I'm assuming they are but maybe they arent

Don Jr.'s girlfriend and Eric's wife are pulling in 180,000 each from the campaign funds raised.

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1 minute ago, Arodash said:

Could you cite that please?

Saw it online news yesterday.  Will try to find it again.  They asked Trump's campaign manger about it and he said he could give money to whomever he wanted .

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1 hour ago, Arodash said:

If Trump employees who cant work where not getting paid someone would have already spoken out about it, so... maybe? I'm assuming they are but maybe they arent

Just an hour ago, 713 let go in two florida properties

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8232729/Trumps-Florida-properties-furlough-713-workers-coronavirus-pandemic.html

 

From this, found this from 3rd april

https://www.the-sun.com/news/635778/trump-organization-hotel-employees-layoffs-furloughs-coronavirus-outbreak/

 

Both links are from conservative right wing media. 

 

For @Nick2 while googling

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8231805/Kimberly-Guilfoyle-Lara-Trump-sign-Trumps-election-campaign-180-000-year.html

 

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4 minutes ago, Arodash said:

Furlough and being let go are different, the article does that the furloughs are expexted to be temporary.

 

But that doesnt mean there shouldnt be concern for the employees and Ive said this with all businessess who are massive, they should be taking care of their employees. 

Were the furloughed staff getting paid? was my original question

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In accountancy, there is the term 'ultimate controlling party' being the person owning 51% of the voting shares. 8n Trump Organization, this is Donald Trump. Eric and Don Jnr might be officially in charge but the ultimate controlling party is Donald Trump. 

 

In terms of client due diligence/know your client work (this is what others refer to as anti-money laundering but I don't like to use that phrase in my work) if I was involved in auditing of Trump Organization, it would be considered that Donald Trump is controller of the organization because he has the control of the voting shares of the Organization. Identification of beneficial owners is also part of this(Auditing, Accounting, and associated financial reporting duties are part of my job) 

 

This was the reason that people had said that at the time of his election that the assets should form a double blind trust because the relationship between him and his sons is so close. 

 

Anyway, I don't want to get into this discussion on control of trump organization again

 

Client Due Diligence work/analysis stresses me out. 

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If he wants to increase his popularity he should look at what his intelligent twin has done in Britain. Told employers to furlough staff, and the government pay 80% of their salary upto £2500 per month (effectively under £2000 per month after tax/national insurance), This means that both businesses and employers are protected. Granted there'll be a taxation price to pay in a couple of months, but it's done wonders for his (un) popular support. 

If I was being nasty I'd say that winding up in ICU has helped BJ and would help DT 

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@Arodash, I think you're misunderstanding. Here the government are paying wages, if he was to do that it would help his popularity 

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Announcements of salary donations have been made, but not sure if they have actually occurred. His non-presidential charity donations have not been without controversy, so I'm reserving opinion. If he is actually following through then that's good.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salary-donation/

 

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On 4/17/2020 at 8:49 PM, Arodash said:

Donald Trump is not as bad as people think he is.

I don't think he's a bad person at all. I wouldn't mind having a beer with a guy like that.

 

He seems like guy you could talk to, who would tell you how he feels about things. I have nothing but respect for those who speak their minds. Overly politically correct people disgust me, because its fake. I'm genuine, so people may hate my opinion but it is my opinion and I'm not shy about it. 

 

Its how incompetent that he is at his job, that he should be getting bashed about. People are sensitive about his brash nature, tough shit. However, his incompetence is dangerous.

 

Him encouraging protests about people on lock down wanting relaxing of the rules at the expense of safety, is the exact incompetence I'm eluding to. He makes it harder to control, and is potentially creating a bigger death toll by not allowing the experts to take charge on a correct timing to minimize risk.

 

Him pointing to his head, when asked "what metrics are you using to justify reopening the economy" is about as scary as an aircraft pilot admitting they never trained on the aircraft they are about to fly but that their colleague is sick.

 

Following that up with: "Not to worry, all my knowledge is in here" *points to his heart*

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Since when has Trump cared about the constitution? He violates that all the time. His executive branch overreaches constantly and he ignores emoluments clauses etc.

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1 hour ago, Arodash said:

protect and uphold the constitution.

There needs to be a degree of common sense to this.

 

Protecting the constitution during a pandemic, sort of changes things a little bit where your rights get infringed upon to avoid a mass casualty event that reach levels that cannot be controlled anymore.

 

A good leader would trust his medical advisors and disease specialists, and would calm the population all the while being very open and transparent regarding time frames. Would also coordinate, as to where all states, and the federal government as well as your disease control department and surgeon general are all on the same page or being communicative with each other to avoid confusion or redundancies.

 

You can't fully go back to normal with a pandemic. Its impossible.

 

People wanting to pack stadiums to push for their rights to me, are being absolute morons. You're then back to square one, experiencing the worst global second wave seen, in additional tens of thousands of deaths, with yet another curve you're now tasked to flatten.

 

So all that work a few weeks back--for nothing.

 

1 hour ago, Arodash said:

Could Trump maybe give people some advice on how to protest while also maintaining social distancing? Yes and he should.

But he hasn't. He's encouraging the behavior, which will embolden the protesters.

 

1 hour ago, Arodash said:

Yes we need to be just as concerned about the virus but a failing economy can be just as horrible, people are already starting to go hungry

What do you honestly feel is best. Short term sacrifices, that truly suck--but once over allow you to reopen your economy and take partial precautions until a vaccine is out--or throw caution to the wind, deal with massive spikes in death tolls, and have to do this over, and over again?

 

This won't magically go away. One as a result, must observe precautions to minimize death tolls.

 

Refusing to take notes of Italy, who had such horrible spikes, many had to be left to die on their own, untreated due to how overwhelmed their systems were.

 

Refusing to take notes of all other cities (and countries) that relaxed things too quickly, and saw  spikes in infection, forcing them to re-tighten things, should and would be a warning shot to any other competent leader.

 

To me, protecting the 2nd amendment or pushing for it at all costs ignoring the sharply rising death toll, is to me like having a deadly accident at an intersection--the entire thing being blocked, and some guy hitting his horn because the light is green. You unfortunately can't teach common sense, and the more this goes on, the sinking feeling that Trump has very little of it (and is responsible for your lives) starts to sink in.

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