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11 hours ago, SithEmpress said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/politics/what-matters-march-23/index.html

"How many lives is the world economy worth? That's not a trite oversimplification. It is an open question being raised by President Donald Trump."

 

I wonder how many people Trump's willing to sacrifice in order to keep his precious economy thriving. 

I read on a different article that he said America isn't built for a quarantine and social-isolation to this level. And I think he's right. But I think it's because stupid politicians like him have ensured that our country isn't built for a pandemic. 

so, an easy calculation would be to compare the number of deaths from this pandemic to the number of deaths that economic damage will cause.

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6 hours ago, gisiebob said:

so, an easy calculation would be to compare the number of deaths from this pandemic to the number of deaths that economic damage will cause.

I don't a flat death-to-death comparison would work. An economic crash would cause more long-term struggles and problems like the Great Depression. You have people who will die because they can't find a job or can't afford food, but you also have the general dip in quality of life. So if you're being honest, you have to compare overall well-being and actually find a way to compare the value of someone's to things like quality of life and general wellbeing. 

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Today in the mail I got this little postcard from the post office, titled "President Trump's Coronavirus Guidelines for America". As if he came up with them or something. ugh (it's the same stuff we've been seeing about staying home if you're sick, washing your hands, etc.)

 

If it were really his guidelines it would probably say stuff like "go back to work". :wacko:

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1 hour ago, daveb said:

If it were really his guidelines it would probably say stuff like "go back to work". :wacko:

Quite accurate. 

 

I think if he's so determined to get people back to work, he should start thinking about how people can both go to work and stay away from people. He's supposed to be a business guy, right? Get him thinking of plausible solutions to as much social distancing as possible without keeping everyone in their homes. 

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On 3/25/2020 at 3:38 AM, daveb said:

 

 

If it were really his guidelines it would probably say stuff like "go back to work". :wacko:

Quote from Winston Churchill which still applies 

"The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as it was in Samson's time" 

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He is a master at playing the victim (as well as garnering sympathy from his negative advocates), and unfortunately many in the media cover him unfairly, emboldening his point.

 

I have a hard time seeing even covid-19, and his other fumbles, doing him any damage.

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On 4/1/2020 at 5:33 PM, Perspektiv said:

He is a master at playing the victim (as well as garnering sympathy from his negative advocates), and unfortunately many in the media cover him unfairly, emboldening his point.

 

I have a hard time seeing even covid-19, and his other fumbles, doing him any damage.

Remember when he said he could kill someone on 5th Ave and not lose his base?  His base only cares about one thing and one thing only.  Being able to make sure the "other" does not get anything.  Being racist (while saying you are not) is their lifeblood.  Trump their avenue to explode it.  The dark side of America boiling to the top.

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Back to his corrupt ways. Yeah, Reps, "he learned his lesson."

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On 4/3/2020 at 5:12 AM, Nick2 said:

His base only cares about one thing and one thing only.  Being able to make sure the "other" does not get anything.  Being racist (while saying you are not) is their lifeblood. 

^This.

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I know that making fun of Trump is about as hard of a task as beating up an eight year old in a wheelchair, but this YT comment is too good not to share:

 

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If Trump were Captain of Titanic:

 

"There isn't any iceberg. There was an iceberg but it's in a totally different ocean. The iceberg is in this ocean but it will melt very soon. There is an iceberg but we didn't hit the iceberg. We hit the iceberg, but the damage will be repaired very shortly. The iceberg is a Chinese iceberg. We are taking on water but every passenger who wants a lifeboat can get a lifeboat, and they are beautiful lifeboats. Look, passengers need to ask nicely for the lifeboats if they want them. We don't have any lifeboats, we're not lifeboat distributors. Passengers should have planned for icebergs and brought their own lifeboats. I really don't think we need that many lifeboats. We have lifeboats and they're supposed to be our lifeboats, not the passengers' lifeboats. The lifeboats were left on shore by the last captain of this ship. Nobody could have foreseen the iceberg."

 

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Well, this is the same guy who looked at an eclipse without covering his eyes, said he wouldn't wear a mask, and keeps hyping an untested "cure" (which he apparently said he would take?). This is what comes from being so anti-science, anti-expert, anti-intellectual, Mr stable genius who knows more than the generals or any other experts, and who wants all of the praise and none of the responsibility. Are you tired of "winning" yet?

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I think its crazy he blames China for covid-19, when his incompetence will likely (unfortunately) cause tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

 

He was briefed about a possible pandemic, since early January. Am surprised there isn't more outrage, considering the amount of time he had to prepare for this.

 

The fact he contradicts all his experts, then wonders why the population don't take heed to any of his orders or requests is baffling.

 

A would be terrorist group, would be taking notes. Forget bombs, or vehicular attacks. Biochemical attacks are the way to go, as you'd get spotted a two month head start before they figure out what to start doing.

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17 minutes ago, Arodash said:

The Covid-19 task force was formed in January when he was briefed on it and a week later he closed off travel to the Wuhan. I'd say he did act fairly quickly, lots of critisism his way and in the direction of Congress but still, he did jump on it fairly quickly.

 

And I blame the Chinese Government too, theyve been lieing to us every single step of the way. 

430,000 thousand people came in rom China before the ban and another 40,000 after the ban.  So what did he really do?

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24 minutes ago, Arodash said:

Tried. Thats really all you can ask of people, that does include our political leaders they are human just like we are

Tried is not good enough.  There was a division over there that's job was to watch out for viruses that could spread.  2 months before this virus showed up Trump disbanded the group.  That is not trying.  That is incompetence.  Big difference.

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3 hours ago, Arodash said:

Tried. Thats really all you can ask of people, that does include our political leaders they are human just like we are

Except he didn't. He did the bare minimum after he realised that he couldn't get away with doing absolutely nothing - and even that bare minimum was spoilt with dangerous "medical advice" and harmful "suggestions".

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He is systematically dismantling all divisions of government.  He wants everything focused on him.  He especially is taking apart anything Obama did.  Now it is to the point that we can only react to things that have happened rather than head them off beforehand.

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5 minutes ago, Arodash said:

You mean medications that other nations are testing? That the FDA is approving? He never suggested people take them. He was informing the nation about things being tested

"Take it. I really think they should take it."

 

Yeah right, never suggested that. Absolutely not. Only a moronic nincompoop would do that.

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In history we have always seemed to have the right man in power when a great national crisis came upon us.  Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy.   To have the most incompetent man alive in power during this crisis is unimaginable.  I knew the night he was elected that many people around the world were just marked for death by this election.

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@Arodash I'm glad we can do so. I, along with others, tend to get heated over stuff like politics because it affects so many people so strongly. Something we think was done wrong can have catastrophic consequences. But what's done is done. Our bitching and moaning can't change anything. While I personally think there was more Trump could and should have done, I can't go back and change anything.  

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2 hours ago, Arodash said:

Okay y'all. Im just going go to go with we can agree to disagree your free to have your views and opinions and I respect them.

Would you at least be willing to acknowledge that he did, in fact, suggest that people take this medication?

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16 hours ago, Arodash said:

I'd say he did act fairly quickly, lots of critisism his way and in the direction of Congress but still, he did jump on it fairly quickly.

I can't argue with that. However, he didn't take the pandemic seriously, comparing it to a common flu several times. He even claimed this would be over by April, later claiming he never gave a time frame.

 

This is last time I checked now, the leading cause of death in the US. This is mere weeks after him all but guaranteeing numbers would go down, and they were "only" in the dozens, or hundreds, before they were in the half a million and climbing, along with the death tolls.

 

People get behind a leader they can trust.

 

I honestly feel the media is highly unfair to him. However, if you're walking back statements constantly, odds are you have zero clue what you're doing.

 

No harm in that. But a wise leader, would be aware of what they don't know, and would trust their specialists (not contradict them). That's the scary part.

 

To blame him for covid-19, would be ridiculous. He didn't bring this into the US. However, he needs to be held responsible for his insanely slow response to it.

 

He isn't the only leader who had a slow start or underestimated the dangers.

 

Doug Ford, Ontario's premier, encouraged youth to go have fun for spring break. Only to double down when the cases spiked when all the infected students came back to their home towns.

 

Doug Ford, realized his major gaffe and has been aggressive on solutions, since.

 

Hong Kong's leader Carrie Lam ignored her advisors for days. They then threatened to protest and walk out, calling out her incompetence for keeping all borders to China open.

 

She, realizing the spiking numbers, swiftly then made aggressive moves (including an immediate declaration of a state of emergency) and continued on that tangent.

 

I could name leaders all day, that had "slow starts".

 

Many realize their mistakes, and are quick to adjust.

 

That's the only thing that bothers me on Trump. He is still pointing fingers, and should be focusing his energy on solutions only.

 

His successes will be shadowed by his mistakes, and rightfully so when you consider the death tolls that go along with it.

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51 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

That's the only thing that bothers me on Trump. He is still pointing fingers, and should be focusing his energy on solutions only.

That's a big problem I have with Trump in general, and a reason I believe he definitely has a problem with narcissism: He never admits he made a mistake or something he did could have gone better. I think a good leader acknowledges where they're not perfect and trusts the specialists they have around to make up for areas they're lacking in, like you said, but Trump at least outwardly projects that he's infallible and never makes mistakes, even when it requires actively denying something he was saying a month ago. 

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7 hours ago, SithEmpress said:

He never admits he made a mistake or something he did could have gone better.

Its literally his biggest handicap. You can clearly see why he failed at business.

 

Entrepreneurship is all about growth. Getting better. Staying ahead. I don't think there exists a businessman who is highly successful, that doesn't understand the importance of listening  to their consumers. Humbling oneself.

 

He used the US legal system as a tool, to bully and scare opposition. He became quite good at it, but again--this is all his narcissism. Not intelligence. The US legal system, simply enabled his personality handicap. In any other country, he would've had to be humbled a lot quicker.

 

8 hours ago, SithEmpress said:

Trump at least outwardly projects that he's infallible

This exact mentality, encourages yes men to surround you. I've worked for bosses like this. We likely all have.

 

The issue with this attitude, is people then become afraid of telling you the truth. They tell you what they know you want to hear.

 

I refuse to kiss someone's ass, so I realized I would never get any promotions under such leaders who didn't look at merit. So you reach an impasse. Make up numbers and lies to get in, or stick to your morals, and walk away.

 

The danger, is then everyone will trample over one another, to be your "right hand man". It then becomes chaos. Who can get "in", vs people competing based on doing a good job. I just chose to seek employers who allowed your stock to rise, based on merit. I could at least sleep at night. Main reason there is no surprise at his staggering level of staff turnover.

 

Countries like China and North Korea come to mind, where mass famine happened due to this in the past. People insulating the leader(s) with lies and manufactured numbers, when the reality was quite dire.

 

That exact mentality, was highlighted by China's initial failure to report covid-19.

 

The difference is often the leader's team insulating the leader. Trump just does a 360, and insulates himself and plugs his ears to ignore everything he doesn't want to hear. Its uncanny. Its uncomfortable to watch at times, like a clearly incompatible couple arguing non-stop in public.

 

I once had a client like this, arguing throughout their transaction. I was starting to feel anxiety (it got that bad, as neither could agree on anything and got into near yelling matches for everything as you could see both pining for power neither wanted to relinquish).

 

Just its that sinking feeling, that this couple is running your country.

 

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4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Just its that sinking feeling

sadly yes

For some of us the only thing we have for now is trying to cling to any shred of hope for things to get better. Hopefully at the next opportunity, but never giving up.

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This is the list of what Donald J. Trump did and said in January and February 2020. (It's long) * Total deaths in USA as of this writing 4/14/20: 23,702, cases: 588,435.
The CDC issued its first warning on Jan 8. The following is the timeline of what Trump did. 
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Trump held campaign rallies on:

Jan 9 in Toledo, Ohio

Jan 14 in Milwaukee

Jan 28 in New Jersey 

Jan 30 in Des Mones Iowa

Feb 10 in New Hampshire

Feb 19 in Phoenix Arizona

Feb 20 in Colorado Springs, Colorado

Feb 21 in Las Vegas Nevada

Feb 28 in Charleston South Carolina Note: While Trump was at this rally, he referred to the Corona virus as a hoax. 

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Senate voted to not convict Trump of his crimes on Feb 5th 

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Trump went golfing on: 

Jan 18th at West Palm Beach

Feb 1st At West Palm Beach

Feb 15th at West Palm Beach

Mar 7th at West Palm Beach

Mar 8th at West Palm Beach

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The first time Trump admitted the corona virus might be a problem was Mar 13th. Below are Trump Quotes from Jan 22nd to March 17th.

 Note that on February 20th the Stock Market Crashed.


January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Corona virus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Corona virus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the corona virus, you know that, right? Corona virus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Corona Virus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the Corona Virus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."

March 13: National Emergency Declaration

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”

March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”


Originally written by @Jay Best

 

Yeah, he got this. Leadership at its finest :D

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:( 

 

What more can one say? We (the US and the world) can't have another 4 years of this orange stain.

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20 hours ago, daveb said:

:( 

 

What more can one say? We (the US and the world) can't have another 4 years of this orange stain.

I wondered in Nov of 2016 how many people had just been marked for death by that election.  4 more years would be horrific.

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