Master Trump Thread

[Kelpie]

51 minutes ago, Malum said:

The law of entering the country illegally. You come into the country, you are an illegal alien. You are detained. 

Okay, and where does it say that the children absolutely have to be separated from their parents for this? Where is THAT law? 

[iff]

1 hour ago, Malum said:

You've yet to answer my question on what is the federal government suppose to do.

According to the politifact article, the Obama presidency policy was that not to prosecute on the first occasion. On the second occasion a person is caught on attempting a second time, yes they were prosecuted but first time, just deported.

 

This is easier on the legal system, criminal prosecutions take a lot of time and money.

 

This is my last post on this subject. I've said what I wanted.

[ben8884]

So according to Trump, Canadians are smuggling shoes . Like, we are going to the US, buying shoes, scuffing them up and wearing them across the border home,..OK then...

 

As for this family separation, my heart goes out to the families separated. I honestly think this is Trump throwing a tantrum because not even members of his own party will fund his wall. 

[Sally]

12 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

So, if a parent murders someone, and gets life in jail (leaving toddlers without a parent, and having no other relatives). This is cruel?

 

The parent made the decision, and by default is making the child pay for their poor choices.

 

You can't blame the jail system for their choices to break the law.

 

There however has to be a better way to triage illegal border crossers. This is unnecessarily cruel. I mean if you are being temporarily detained, there has got to be better levels of communication to the parents.

 

However, if found guilty of any crime, I don't believe in leniency just because you brought your kid.

We weren't talking about the parents; we were talking about whether the children were guilty.   

 

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, Sally said:

We weren't talking about the parents; we were talking about whether the children were guilty.   

 

The children have done nothing wrong. They are being punished for their parents actions. I think lost in this, is a parent, making the treacherous trip to the US risking their children's lives. Accepting they could get killed, arrested, or harmed in other ways.

 

A parent not at some point accepting any of the above, is being delusional. There is an awareness of the consequences to everyone attempting to cross the border. To some, their situations warrant the risk that they are taking.

 

The children are collateral damage for the parents actions.

[Yatogami]

7 hours ago, Kelpie said:

Okay, and where does it say that the children absolutely have to be separated from their parents for this? Where is THAT law? 

It doesn't, now you know where the problem presides. The law, doesn't take into account children, human trafficking, and various other things. They do one job, and that is stopping people from entering illegally. Detaining, is a far far less situation to be in. Some countries, shoot on sight. Some countries, send you back. With, or without your parent. 

 

Tell me again, why it is USA's responsibility to show softness to people breaking the law.  They are not USA's responsibility. Without strength, there is nothing stopping people from terrible nations over running us. There is a reason they are coming here. Like it or not, our caution is America's peace and prosperity. Without borders, you will be just like Mexico. You will be just like South Africa. Do you want that? I sure do not. As much as it pains me to say, there is a time to say NO, and that time is now. It is a matter of your families, or theirs. 

[Yatogami]

6 hours ago, iff said:

According to the politifact article, the Obama presidency policy was that not to prosecute on the first occasion. On the second occasion a person is caught on attempting a second time, yes they were prosecuted but first time, just deported.

 

This is easier on the legal system, criminal prosecutions take a lot of time and money.

 

This is my last post on this subject. I've said what I wanted.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

 

I don't care how much the media tries to portray Obama as the good guy in this. He was worse than Trump. The media just doesn't care. As they intentionally skew articles to support one side. It is common knowledge at this point. Politica "Fact", is the same. Any "fact checker" is the same. They are all owned and operated by the same people who own the media. If you honestly take their word, with authority. You are literally, by definition. Fake news. 

[iff]

Sure those are not great condition but this article gives more information. 

 

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/061814_nogales_shelter/photos-inside-nogales-center-holding-100s-migrant-kids/

 

This is a way station where they would spend 2 days before being transferred.

 

The talk of Obama is trying to divert it away from what the trump administration is doing.

[Skycaptain]

I think there's a slight misunderstanding here. The issue isn't with detaining people who've entered the country illegally. Every nation does that whilst asylum applications etc are processed. The controversy is just the separation of children from their parents when they've been arrested together. Ironically splitting a family makes more work for the authorities, because, given that its unlikely that kids can stay and parents get deported or vice-versa, keeping them together would simply deportation or rehousing 

[The Terrible Travis]

On 6/18/2018 at 2:38 PM, Malum said:

What are they going to do? Send them off to a motel, where they can escape and cost taxpayers millions more dollars? 

no they should send them off to a luxury hotel, with the costs fully funded by a special tax on trump voters 

[Giwreh]

2 hours ago, Malum said:

 There is a reason they are coming here.

The reason... 🧐 ...is not the "chance" to find decent work.  The reason is they know for sure they will find a job on the black market, because it's US-citizens (and their businesses) who are EXPLOITING them against nuts.  The reason = the rotten mentality in the USA itself... (profit making at ANY human cost)

Food for thought.

[Homer]

On 6/18/2018 at 8:29 PM, Malum said:

Thank you Mr. Trump, my dreams are becoming reality 🤣

*complains about "millions of dollars" spent on immigrants*

*supports "space force"*

 

That's all I need to know.

[Sally]

3 hours ago, Malum said:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

 

I don't care how much the media tries to portray Obama as the good guy in this. He was worse than Trump. The media just doesn't care. As they intentionally skew articles to support one side. It is common knowledge at this point. Politica "Fact", is the same. Any "fact checker" is the same. They are all owned and operated by the same people who own the media. If you honestly take their word, with authority. You are literally, by definition. Fake news. 

So I take it you don't read or listen to anything, because the media is fake news.   I wonder, then, how you get all your information.  

 

[The Terrible Travis]

Just now, Sally said:

So I take it you don't read or listen to anything, because the media is fake news.   I wonder, then, how you get all your information.  

Malum only gets his info from REAL News Sites™ such as InfoWars and Brietbart.

[ben8884]

The CBC has a good article recapping this insanity here

[Kelpie]

6 hours ago, Malum said:

It doesn't, now you know where the problem presides. The law, doesn't take into account children, human trafficking, and various other things. They do one job, and that is stopping people from entering illegally. Detaining, is a far far less situation to be in. Some countries, shoot on sight. Some countries, send you back. With, or without your parent. 

 

Tell me again, why it is USA's responsibility to show softness to people breaking the law.  They are not USA's responsibility. Without strength, there is nothing stopping people from terrible nations over running us. There is a reason they are coming here. Like it or not, our caution is America's peace and prosperity. Without borders, you will be just like Mexico. You will be just like South Africa. Do you want that? I sure do not. As much as it pains me to say, there is a time to say NO, and that time is now. It is a matter of your families, or theirs. 

Oh, so you say, that there is another way...hmmmm....

 

But since you are obviously incapable of empathy, I prefer not to be talking to you anymore. 

[Homer]

1 hour ago, Kelpie said:

But since you are obviously incapable of empathy

In the US, this mindset is called "freedom".

[Yatogami]

4 hours ago, Homer said:

*complains about "millions of dollars" spent on immigrants*

*supports "space force"*

 

That's all I need to know.

Can't recognize sarcasm. Attacks the lowest hanging fruit.

 

Try harder.

 

 

[Yatogami]

1 hour ago, Kelpie said:

Oh, so you say, that there is another way...hmmmm....

 

But since you are obviously incapable of empathy, I prefer not to be talking to you anymore. 

So the insults begin when there is no logical argument to have.

 

Guess my time in this conversation is at its ends.

[Yatogami]

4 hours ago, The Terrible Travis said:

Malum only gets his info from REAL News Sites™ such as InfoWars and Brietbart.

I can see you are one of those people. Next you're gonna tell me you are a socialist who likes Bernie Sanders.

[Yatogami]

5 hours ago, Giwreh said:

The reason... 🧐 ...is not the "chance" to find decent work.  The reason is they know for sure they will find a job on the black market, because it's US-citizens (and their businesses) who are EXPLOITING them against nuts.  The reason = the rotten mentality in the USA itself... (profit making at ANY human cost)

Food for thought.

It is their government's fault, and we do not have responsibility. Quit blaming other countries for your mistakes. If you don't like it, don't be a coward and flee. Fix it, not bring your issues to USA. That is exactly what happens.

[Homer]

2 minutes ago, Malum said:

Quit blaming other countries for your mistakes. 

This is funny, given how Doughnald keeps rambling about other countries.

 

(BTW, claiming to be 'sarcastic' afterwards is a really low hanging fruit indeed.)

 

*is out*

[Giwreh]

4 minutes ago, Malum said:

It is their government's fault, and we do not have responsibility. Quit blaming other countries for your mistakes. If you don't like it, don't be a coward and flee. Fix it, not bring your issues to USA. That is exactly what happens.

Having family in BOTH Mexico & the USA, both rooted in Belgium + Spain, I could have a more nuanced view on the topic ...  👻

[Giwreh]

11 minutes ago, Malum said:

It is their government's fault, and we do not have responsibility. Quit blaming other countries for your mistakes. If you don't like it, don't be a coward and flee. Fix it, not bring your issues to USA. That is exactly what happens. (??)

It's the USA itself who officially started the large scale "import" of cheap workers  (Bracero Program workers, 1942), as an aggreement on 'controlled labour abuse'. 

History lessons.... 😋 then, when they thought they (=USA) could do without (1964) , just trow them out/away ! People are worthless, right? In the meanwhile, the US citizens and their companies in the southern states, learned HOW to get the easy semi-slaves back, and enrolled the black market economy ....

The USA started ALL of it on their own account, historically. 🥂

[Yatogami]

23 minutes ago, Homer said:

This is funny, given how Doughnald keeps rambling about other countries.

 

(BTW, claiming to be 'sarcastic' afterwards is a really low hanging fruit indeed.)

 

*is out*

You're the one taking it seriously. 

 

Trying to act so cool there Homer. "Haha look everyone, I got Malum! Sure everyone else in this thread is loosing their collective emotional hivemind at him, but I got him too!"

 

So brave. 

[Yatogami]

11 minutes ago, Giwreh said:

It's the USA itself who officially started the large scale "import" of cheap workers  (Bracero Program workers, 1942), as an aggreement on 'controlled labour abuse'. 

History lessons.... 😋 then, when they thought they (=USA) could do without (1964) , just trow them out/away ! People are worthless, right? In the meanwhile, the US citizens and their companies in the southern states, learned HOW to get the easy semi-slaves back, and enrolled the black market economy ....

The USA started ALL of it on their own account, historically. 🥂

The past isn't the present.

 

Also, labour laws didn't exist for anyone back then. It was also usually volintary to work shitty wages to come to America. It is not exclusive to Latinos. 

 

Also, do not change the subject. We are literally debating on whether or not the US government should enforce the law or not.

 

As Abraham Lincoln once said, "The fastest way to get rid of a bad law, is to enforce it."

[Giwreh]

Just now, Malum said:

The past isn't the present.

Also, do not change the subject.

Ahhhhh, there are NO relations !?  How wonderfull as a spindoctor's statement 😍

 

[Kelpie]

48 minutes ago, Homer said:

In the US, this mindset is called "freedom".

That's true. As we Germans say "nach mir die Sintflut", although Trump tries very hard to make the flood  happening right now. 

[Yatogami]

9 minutes ago, Giwreh said:

Ahhhhh, there are NO relations !?  How wonderfull as a spindoctor's statement 😍

 

Nope. Deal with it.

[Yatogami]

To comfort you guys, let me tell you what is going to happen

 

1. Congress will introduce a new immigration bill.

2. Trump will negotiate with them, compromise certain things.

3. Fixes the problem

4. Everyone forgets about it in a month.

5. Media finds something else to distract from the disaster that is the Russian Probe and Comey investigation.