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Sorry but no. Even if he is better than the average republican on LGBTQ issues (and I do think he is better than the average republican on those issues), his SCotUS nominees would be RW reactionaries on that issue.

If they are in anyway shape or form associated with the Republican party, I want no part of them.

I am not never Trump, but rather I am NEVER REPUBLICAN. NEVER RELIGIOUS RIGHT. NEVER SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE.

Ever heard of progressive conservative? Conservative =/= republican. Donald is more of a centrist, he only switched parties later on. He is far more liberal than any other republican in the line up. He even used to be a liberal.

Also, your priorities are messed up if you think social matters are more important than a floundering economy. There will be no America at the rate it is going. Then what? You gotta save the sinking ship before you can complain about getting wet.

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One of Trump's greatest skills is negotiation. This is what America needs the most right now. If you actually watched the video, you will realize quickly that Donald is more about the financial crisis than he is worried about immigration. He is the ONLY one suited for this task. He is the ONLY one that isn't a puppet, and bought out by lobbyists. Even if he is so called racist and misogynist like you claim him to be. Are you just going to let Hillary Clinton win? Or someone who actually wants to help the country? Even if you disagree with half of what he says. He is a much better option that Clinton, and you cannot deny this.

Also, everyone is so against his so called "Racist" remarks, but what harm will it do in the long run? Absolutely nothing. Nothing bad will happen at all. Unless you are one of those crazy people who think he is going to start rounding up and executing people as if we were a communistic country and not a Republic.

Yeah. I trust Donald Trump, a man who has filed for financial bankruptcy not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times. Mmm. Good financial skills. I trust a man who had a magazine and it had to fold up, had another magazine and it had to fold up, had resorts that were sued and he settled out of court (even though he called other people weak and cowards for settling out of court and said he'd never do such a thing), had a steak business that folded up, had an airline that folded up, has a University that is currently being sued...he's shown some pretty good financial savvy in the past!

"Even if he is the so called racist and misogynist like you claim him to be". I'm not entirely certain where to start with this. It's not really "so called" when he says a woman isn't qualified to do a job because her period might make her irrational, or when Megyn Kelly is asking him fair questions, he claims she's being mean or that there was "blood coming out of her whatever". How about when he said Carly Fiorina didn't deserve to be president because "look at that face". Or when he said he could see why Ariana Huffington's husband left her for a man because of how "extremely unattractive" she is? He consistently refers to women only based on their attractiveness in his eyes and then uses that to gauge how competent they are at whatever task they're assigned. That's pretty misogynistic even without adding in when he spouts off about women being on their periods.

And when he said that Mexico isn't sending their best people, they're sending their rapists and those with drugs but he assumes there might be SOME good people in there--that's pretty bad too. Him telling Black Lives Matter people "if black lives don't matter, then go back to Africa". You're telling me that him saying that uniformly to black people isn't racist? How many black people here in the US have even set foot in Africa? How about when Trump served as president of his company in 1973 and he was sued for not renting to black people by the Justice Department, for quoting different prices to black people than to white, and for lying and saying there weren't vacancies when there were? How about when he called black people "lazy" and said it wasn't their fault, it was just a "trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control." and was fined $200,000 in 1992 for having his managers remove black people who were card dealers at his casino and for moving black people off the floor when he and one of his former wives were in the house? How about when he says he wants "those short guys that wear yarmulkes every day" to count his money?

I mean I can go on and on and on. I don't claim him to be racist and misogynistic! Listen to any speech he gives, look at his tweets, look at his interviews--he is racist and misogynistic. And I find it incredibly hard to fathom that the man openly and passionately supported by the KKK is our best hope at helping the country. That is just complete and utter insanity.

And Trump does NOT want to help this country. Trump wants to do what will help Trump. He wants publicity and he wants money.

"Also, everyone is so against his so called "Racist" remarks, but what harm will it do in the long run? Absolutely nothing. Nothing bad will happen at all. Unless you are one of those crazy people who think he is going to start rounding up and executing people as if we were a communistic country and not a Republic."

I'm willing to bet money that most societies never pegged that they would be living in a country that would do that. Also it wasn't terribly long ago (think WWII) when America literally rounded up Japanese-Americans and placed them in internment camps. We're talking people who just looked vaguely Japanese; some of them had been born in the USA and lived their whole lives here and their parents had been born here and lived their whole lives here. How about the 500,000-2 million people during 1929 to 1936 who were forcibly relocated back to Mexico? They believed as many as half or more were BORN in the United States and may never have even BEEN to Mexico but they were just rounded up and dropped over the border. All you need is high tensions and people fearing a certain group of people and willing to place all of that on a scapegoat. We've got Muslims and Mexicans to choose from, and it's happened to both within the last century. History can repeat itself and has been known to do so.

Also I cannot believe that you're saying "what harm" will come from racist remarks in the long run. You're talking about someone who can be the president of the United States If you have the president of the United States saying that all Mexicans are garbage and black people are lazy, you're going to have children hearing that on the news. They already had an instance of two men beating a homeless Mexican man, saying that Donald Trump was right. And Trump didn't denounce it! He said they were passionate! We already have proof of "what harm" can come from spouting racist remarks! It's RIGHT THERE.

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One of Trump's greatest skills is negotiation. This is what America needs the most right now. If you actually watched the video, you will realize quickly that Donald is more about the financial crisis than he is worried about immigration. He is the ONLY one suited for this task. He is the ONLY one that isn't a puppet, and bought out by lobbyists. Even if he is so called racist and misogynist like you claim him to be. Are you just going to let Hillary Clinton win? Or someone who actually wants to help the country? Even if you disagree with half of what he says. He is a much better option that Clinton, and you cannot deny this.

Also, everyone is so against his so called "Racist" remarks, but what harm will it do in the long run? Absolutely nothing. Nothing bad will happen at all. Unless you are one of those crazy people who think he is going to start rounding up and executing people as if we were a communistic country and not a Republic.

Yeah. I trust Donald Trump, a man who has filed for financial bankruptcy not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times. Mmm. Good financial skills. I trust a man who had a magazine and it had to fold up, had another magazine and it had to fold up, had resorts that were sued and he settled out of court (even though he called other people weak and cowards for settling out of court and said he'd never do such a thing), had a steak business that folded up, had an airline that folded up, has a University that is currently being sued...he's shown some pretty good financial savvy in the past!

"Even if he is the so called racist and misogynist like you claim him to be". I'm not entirely certain where to start with this. It's not really "so called" when he says a woman isn't qualified to do a job because her period might make her irrational, or when Megyn Kelly is asking him fair questions, he claims she's being mean or that there was "blood coming out of her whatever". How about when he said Carly Fiorina didn't deserve to be president because "look at that face". Or when he said he could see why Ariana Huffington's husband left her for a man because of how "extremely unattractive" she is? He consistently refers to women only based on their attractiveness in his eyes and then uses that to gauge how competent they are at whatever task they're assigned. That's pretty misogynistic even without adding in when he spouts off about women being on their periods.

And when he said that Mexico isn't sending their best people, they're sending their rapists and those with drugs but he assumes there might be SOME good people in there--that's pretty bad too. Him telling Black Lives Matter people "if black lives don't matter, then go back to Africa". You're telling me that him saying that uniformly to black people isn't racist? How many black people here in the US have even set foot in Africa? How about when Trump served as president of his company in 1973 and he was sued for not renting to black people by the Justice Department, for quoting different prices to black people than to white, and for lying and saying there weren't vacancies when there were? How about when he called black people "lazy" and said it wasn't their fault, it was just a "trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control." and was fined $200,000 in 1992 for having his managers remove black people who were card dealers at his casino and for moving black people off the floor when he and one of his former wives were in the house? How about when he says he wants "those short guys that wear yarmulkes every day" to count his money?

I mean I can go on and on and on. I don't claim him to be! Listen to any speech he gives, look at his tweets, look at his interviews. And I find it incredibly hard to fathom that the man openly and passionately supported by the KKK is our best hope at helping the country. That is just complete and utter insanity.

And Trump does NOT want to help this country. Trump wants to do what will help Trump. He wants publicity and he wants money.

"Also, everyone is so against his so called "Racist" remarks, but what harm will it do in the long run? Absolutely nothing. Nothing bad will happen at all. Unless you are one of those crazy people who think he is going to start rounding up and executing people as if we were a communistic country and not a Republic."

I'm willing to bet money that most societies never pegged that they would be living in a country that would do that. Also it wasn't terribly long ago (think WWII) when America literally rounded up Japanese-Americans and placed them in internment camps. This sort of thing has happened in the past and history can be repeated. All you need is high tensions and people fearing a certain group of people and willing to place all of that on a scapegoat. We've got Muslims and Mexicans to choose from.

Also I cannot believe that you're saying "what harm" will come from racist remarks in the long run. You're talking about someone who can be the president of the united states. If you have the president of the united states saying that all Mexicans are garbage and black people are lazy, you're going to have children hearing that on the news. They already had an instance of two men beating a homeless Mexican man, saying that Donald Trump was right. And Trump didn't denounce it! He said they were passionate! We already have proof of "what harm" can come from spouting racist remarks! It's RIGHT THERE.

Failing 4 out of 500 different companies is a fucking damn good win ratio mate.

As for the women insults, everyone does that shit to people that annoy them. You cannot tell me you haven't ever insulted someone. This is regular normal people stuff. To say otherwise is a downright lie. Everyone gossips and talks about people they don't like. He talks like a normal person, not a politician.

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Legal immigrants wait in line, good people wait in line. It has already been proven that most of the people trying to get into USA over the boarder was the drug cartels.

Hillary Clinton was also endorsed by the KKK, this is not an argument because they endorse tons of people.

Trump wants to help Trump....apparently you didn't watch the video.

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Failing 4 out of 500 different companies is a fucking damn good win ratio mate.

As for the women insults, everyone does that shit to people that annoy them. You cannot tell me you haven't ever insulted someone. This is regular normal people stuff. To say otherwise is a downright lie. Everyone gossips and talks about people they don't like. He talks like a normal person, not a politician.

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Legal immigrants wait in line, good people wait in line. It has already been proven that most of the people trying to get into USA over the boarder was the drug cartels.

Hillary Clinton was also endorsed by the KKK, this is not an argument because they endorse tons of people.

Trump wants to help Trump....apparently you didn't watch the video.

Oh good lord.
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Oh good lord.

Yeah...I should have realised when he said even IF trump was racist and misogynistic he's still the best for the job and that racist remarks won't do any harm that arguing is pointless. I think I'm probably dropping this argument because...well. :lol:.

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One of Trump's greatest skills is negotiation. This is what America needs the most right now. If you actually watched the video, you will realize quickly that Donald is more about the financial crisis than he is worried about immigration. He is the ONLY one suited for this task. He is the ONLY one that isn't a puppet, and bought out by lobbyists. Even if he is so called racist and misogynist like you claim him to be. Are you just going to let Hillary Clinton win? Or someone who actually wants to help the country? Even if you disagree with half of what he says. He is a much better option that Clinton, and you cannot deny this.

Also, everyone is so against his so called "Racist" remarks, but what harm will it do in the long run? Absolutely nothing. Nothing bad will happen at all. Unless you are one of those crazy people who think he is going to start rounding up and executing people as if we were a communistic country and not a Republic.

Yeah. I trust Donald Trump, a man who has filed for financial bankruptcy...

That was such a thorough and savage deconstruction of any conceivable reason to assume Trump is a positive and progressive candidate for any genuine executive power and because of that profile picture I couldn't help but read it in Bertie Wooster's voice. This was a confusing and wonderful thing.

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Speaking as an outsider, I wonder what sort of impression the US wants to make on the rest of the world. His idea (more or less immediately withdrawn) to pay 'x' cents on the $ to settle US debts with the rest of the world may have made sense to a businessman but would have been catastrophic for everyone - even more so than the UK leaving the EU.

But so far he hasn't shown any inclination to diplomacy or even learning about diplomacy and that is a scary prospect.

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Let's see...recently he said that he'd debate bernie which is great except he wants 10 million for it...for women's health.

This is the same guy who said that bull about women who have abortions and he knows that bernie doesn't have 10 million lying around to debate him.

This is also a man who is known to never give to charity and his charities...sorry, "charities" tend to be sad excuses for ways to line his own pockets.

So...yea. Mind is not changed. Trump is a jackass.

Basically this.

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#stillbetterthanhillary

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Oh good lord.
And that was the moment that any iota of credibility he had left went straight out he window into the dumpster
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so I mean like.. I'm clueless. what is the reason people dislike him?

Out of context media shilling and herd mindset.

I mean...I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike him because of how he dismisses a lot of women just by announcing that they're on their periods or calls them dogs. Or how he mocks people with disabilities. Or how he said that Muslims should be banned from entering the US, be entered into a special database, and carry identification papers. That's not really "media shilling". These are all things he's tweeted or shouted about at various speeches or said in interviews. There's a lot more that he's said that's even worse.

He knows exactly what he is doing when it comes to insulting people. He does it, not to be an asshole, but to make the media only talk about him. It applies to almost all of his controversial statements. He doesn't actually feel that way.

So... wouldn't that make him manipulative and a liar? If so...those aren't qualities I want in a leader

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Speaking as an outsider, I wonder what sort of impression the US wants to make on the rest of the world. His idea (more or less immediately withdrawn) to pay 'x' cents on the $ to settle US debts with the rest of the world may have made sense to a businessman but would have been catastrophic for everyone - even more so than the UK leaving the EU.

But so far he hasn't shown any inclination to diplomacy or even learning about diplomacy and that is a scary prospect.

Well don't be surprised. Trump went bankrupt many many times. But he was too big to fail, so he got bailed out and then tons of workers got fired. He is not that great of a bussiness man that he claim to, he got bankrupt many times and use most of his time claiming to be richer than he is.

And diplomacy.. He don't want to protect Japan, South Korea etc anymore, and his solution is that they should get nuclear weapons. Just wtf.

Also a fun fact: Trump have stated that he is a Democrat. But if he would run for President he would run for the Republicans since they got the dumbest voters.

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Also a fun fact: Trump have stated that he is a Democrat. But if he would run for President he would run for the Republicans since they got the dumbest voters.

Sorry, Howard: http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

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>Donald trump

>centrist

Man, it terrifies me how far right 'Murica has moved that he's freakin centre.

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Then you can imagine how the hard right are there. Hint: Ted Cruz.

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And Bernie Sanders is a communist. :D

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Lol that is the most amusing. Even then Obama was a socialist and making a government takeover with his healthcare program. And the left isn't much better, they blame the Republicans on the healthcare compromise. In fact the Democrats had majority in both chambers, and the compromise were since the house of representatives and the Senate couldnt agree. Later it was the anti-abortion Democrats who blocked it. Ironically it had to take some Catholic nuns to get through the healthcare act that were labelled as socialist, pro abortion, anti-freedom etc.

So Democrats blame Republicans for being bigots, and Republicans blame them for being commies. But none want to admit their own faults (like Democrats blaming Republicans for the health care compromise, or Trump saying Obama ruined USA).

Yeah it's weird.

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This Donald guy is nothing more than a bully with the vocabulary of a 3rd grade kid.

He's been discriminatory against Mexicans, women, and Muslims. He wants to shut down Environmental Protection. And while I have no idea what to think about global warming, his stance on it is damaging.

He's the worst presidential candidate I've ever seen. One video that may or may not be real is NOT going to change my mind.

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I wouldn't be surprised.

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Well he was a bully in school against his fellow pupils and teachers. His parents and teachers could not control him. So he were sent to military school. Later he have bragged about how he bullied and were violent. Not the most pleasant guy..

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Well he was a bully in school against his fellow pupils and teachers. His parents and teachers could not control him. So he were sent to military school. Later he have bragged about how he bullied and were violent. Not the most pleasant guy..

But but but he's just doing it for attention and doesn't really believe it! The video and his supporters said so it MUST be true!! /s
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(I would quote it but cba on mobile)

>Donald trump

>centrist

Man, it terrifies me how far right 'Murica has moved that he's freakin centre.

You misunderstand. DT believes that he is the centre of the universe, hence centrist :-P

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Lol that is the most amusing. Even then Obama was a socialist and making a government takeover with his healthcare program. And the left isn't much better, they blame the Republicans on the healthcare compromise. In fact the Democrats had majority in both chambers, and the compromise were since the house of representatives and the Senate couldnt agree. Later it was the anti-abortion Democrats who blocked it. Ironically it had to take some Catholic nuns to get through the healthcare act that were labelled as socialist, pro abortion, anti-freedom etc.

So Democrats blame Republicans for being bigots, and Republicans blame them for being commies. But none want to admit their own faults (like Democrats blaming Republicans for the health care compromise, or Trump saying Obama ruined USA).

Yeah it's weird.

You're wrong on all of that, Howard -- I have no idea where you came up with any of those claims. Post your sources (that aren't websites). What's especially bitterly funny is "government takeover of healthcare" -- if only that had happened; as it is, the for-profit insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are still in power.

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A documentary about Obama where Obama spoke of it himself and the others behind it :) They had majority in both the house and Senate. In the Senate some conservative democrats barely agreed on it. Then the house did not initially want to ratify the much more moderate Senate plan. And later on the pro-life folks (like 6 of them) disagreed with it as they feared it would lead to the state funding the abortions. So unless you disagree with Obama and history it is what happened. Sorry to break it to you.

It wasn't until after that reform that the Democrats lost its majority in the house, but had enough in the Senate so it could not be repealed - which the Republicans have tried like 60 times. But its what I speak of. It is established myths in US that all political hardship is cos of the other side.

Watch episode number 2 of "America in the Obama Years".

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A documentary about Obama where Obama spoke of it himself and the others behind it :) They had majority in both the house and Senate. In the Senate some conservative democrats barely agreed on it. Then the house did not initially want to ratify the much more moderate Senate plan. And later on the pro-life folks (like 6 of them) disagreed with it as they feared it would lead to the state funding the abortions. So unless you disagree with Obama and history it is what happened. Sorry to break it to you.

What you said above is opposite to what you said previously.

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Nope. In the Senate they needed 60 votes

58 democrats voted for. They had to persuade the remaining. They got 60 votes (and later they only needed 51 due to them loosing Massachusetts and doing some sketchy stuff). In the House it was 6 anti-abortion Democrats who did not agree with it. Then Obama sought support among a Catholic health care thing to get those Democrats to agree with it. The nuns tried to get the Cardinal and bishops on Obama's side. Now they feared abortions too. Then the nuns openly revolted against the bishops and some anti-abortion Democrats in the house then agreed to it. Later the house and the Senate reached a compromise.

Thats the short story. Even shorter is: Republicans had nothing to do with it, it was the infighting among the Democrats that led to the current health care act.

And no it was not the opposite. In both posts I said it was infighting among the Democrats in the house and in the Senate and between the two chambers again. The Republicans had not enough votes to influence a compromise nor turning it down (and of course none of them wanted to). Still that is what I see on i.e aven where it is the Republicans fault that the reform is not perfect.

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Oh good lord.
And that was the moment that any iota of credibility he had left went straight out he window into the dumpster

So, do you want the uncensored videos, or the news videos as to why they are? I'll give you time to do your own research.
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Haven't watched the video yet. On a personal level, I find Trump very unlikable-- what with the racism and misogyny and generally being a jerk. I also don't think he knows much. Then, on a personal level, I don't much like Clinton either. As far as policies go, I generally lean liberal, but what do I know? I'm pretty agnostic politically. For all I know, either one of them could make a decent president, though I would have greatly preferred a match between O'Malley and Kasich. Not that that ever looked like much of a possibility.

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Oh good lord.
And that was the moment that any iota of credibility he had left went straight out he window into the dumpster
So, do you want the uncensored videos, or the news videos as to why they are? I'll give you time to do your own research.
Believe it or not, most of us can think for ourselves; we don't need your videos.
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