Master Trump Thread

[Skycaptain]

@Telecaster68, sorry I thought you were referring to gibbets in general 

[Guest Jetsun Milarepa]

Or it can be used as a figure of speech if you're not the nitty picky type.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, chandrakirti said:

Or it can be used as a figure of speech if you're not the nitty picky type.

Well, this is still AVEN... so good luck with that. 

[Sally]

11 hours ago, Skycaptain said:

Fascism is an ideology. Just being an opportunist doesn't make you one. 

Let's put it this way. If, say a factory fire was to have multiple fatalities, mainly of an ethnic minority, a true fascist would regard them as expendable, Trump would rush down there and holler loudly about calling for the heads of those responsible without actually changing any regulations. 

Actually we've had multiple events like that in the US, and Trump has ignored them.  He really doesn't care about human beings, except for his family.   That's been very evident the last two years.  

[Sally]

10 hours ago, burobu said:

AKA impeachment? A possibility, I guess.

 

Not sure how much it would really improve things in practice. But who knows.

It wouldn't.  Pence would become President, and he would leave all the things that Trump has done in place, and do more than Trump has done to eviscerate the secular government, because he's a fundamentalist Christian who wants to institute a theocracy.  

[user23974865]

13 minutes ago, Sally said:

It wouldn't.  Pence would become President, and he would leave all the things that Trump has done in place, and do more than Trump has done to eviscerate the secular government, because he's a fundamentalist Christian who wants to institute a theocracy.  

Yeah, that's what I've heard. I was just trying to keep it loosely optimistic. 😛

 

I've seen Pence being described as an "impeachment-discouragement measure". Evil Guy down here did exactly the same. The VP is a retired army general (so, yeah, super friendly) and, most importantly, he's really dumb, and as tactful as a gorilla in a China shop*. Like, every time he opens his mouth, you just wonder "WTF?". It's not even "wow that's outrageous" (that would be the actual current president). It's just... "Wut? Why? Why not just keep your mouth shut instead?"

 

* I can't use "bull in a China shop" anymore after I've seen the Mythbusters episode on it.

[iff]

37 minutes ago, Telecaster68 said:

As far as I can see, impeachment isn't going to happen, and if he was going to resign, he would've done by now. (I actually expected him to resign after about year, from sheer boredom). The quickest way to get rid of Trump is going to be by everyone apart from his base finding a single candidate, and finding someone as clever as Bannon to run that person's campaign. Otherwise you're barely a quarter of the way through his reign.

And I think with sanders in the race now, that single candidate for everyone to get behind is an improbability as sanders will be dividing the democrats.

 

Best thing for trump has been sanders entrance to the race.

 

Sanders is the corbyn of the democrats in both ability, effectiveness and other things. And I don't mean that in a good way.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, iff said:

And I think with sanders in the race now, that single candidate for everyone to get behind is an improbability as sanders will be dividing the democrats.

The sooner Sanders drops out and gives full, genuine endorsement to another candidate, the better. Sadly, I don't really see that happening... the man has an ego almost as big as Trump's.

 

(And I'm saying that as someone who very, very much used to "Feel the Bern" in '16.)

[user23974865]

1 hour ago, Mysticus Insanus said:

The sooner Sanders drops out and gives full, genuine endorsement to another candidate, the better. Sadly, I don't really see that happening... the man has an ego almost as big as Trump's.

 

(And I'm saying that as someone who very, very much used to "Feel the Bern" in '16.)

I haven't seen / heard that much about the guy compared to Trump, but from what I have, that's my impression too. He seems like he believes he is (or at least presents himself as) the guy who knows how to solve all the problems in the world.

[SithLord]

I would like to see the candidates for 2020 and who everyone backs. Trump is going to run again, no doubt, but will the democratic party be as incompetent as last time? I heard Sanders and Warren are running, but who can truely get enough Trump-haters on their side without inspiring backlash?

[user23974865]

1 minute ago, Telecaster68 said:

Politicians have egoes though. It's a necessary attribute, otherwise they'd never stand for election. It's like complaining that rock band front men have egos. It's only a problem when they become so overwheening they're delusional.

That's a fair observation.

 

I tend to vote for politicians who know how to show humility when it's appropriate. But then again: they don't get elected. Voters, eh. 🤷‍♂️

[Guest]

8 hours ago, sithgirlix said:

I would like to see the candidates for 2020 and who everyone backs. Trump is going to run again, no doubt, but will the democratic party be as incompetent as last time? I heard Sanders and Warren are running, but who can truely get enough Trump-haters on their side without inspiring backlash?

My personal favorite so far is Kamala Harris.

I also like Andrew Yang, a lot, for his consistent argumentation for UBI alone... but can't get behind a candidate who doesn't have at least a decade of experience in politics. No more celebs and businessmen, please. The WH needs a professional politician to clean up the horrible mess.

 

But yeah... it will be a scary time. There will be infighting galore, on top of the muslinging from the right.

[daveb]

33 minutes ago, Mysticus Insanus said:

My personal favorite so far is Kamala Harris.

Mine, too. Still, it's early and lots of candidates may not make it very far before dropping out. I will keep an open mind until it comes much closer to the actual primaries. I think Trump will end up being the "great uniter" when it comes to the Democrats.

[user23974865]

1 minute ago, daveb said:

I think Trump will end up being the "great uniter" when it comes to the Democrats.

I guess there's reason to stay (tentatively) optimistic about that. Because, unlike last time, it's kinda obvious that "the Trump threat" is real and can't be brushed aside. Unite, or perish. There is no chance of winning without putting internal differences aside and managing to agree on a compromise.

[daveb]

3 minutes ago, burobu said:

(tentatively) optimistic

Yep, tentatively is right.  

Still, I'd rather hold on to optimism at this point than succumb to despair.  

[Mr. Unknown]

Trump has a decent to likely chance to win in 2020.

 

1. Historically speaking the incumbent president is very likely to at least win their primary.

 

2. Trump never stopped campaigning, he has been holding rallies since he took office and he is always talked about in media.

 

3. He has, for the most part, delivered or attempted to deliver on his campaign promises.

 

4. Democrats had a victory in the previous elections of congress and such and it could cause a pushback from the Republican side.

 

5. Trump actually held rallies for a ton of Republicans running for office and most of those he endorsed saw more success. He has essentially taken control of the party and right now the Democratic Party is divided into multiple factions (Classic democratic politics, socialism, and intersectional politics).

 

 

Anyone who doubts that he has a decent chance really should do some research on YouTube, he uses marketing tactics at his rallies (like saying “It’s True” repeatedly after he makes a point in almost every speech he gives, and the simple language he uses reaches a large audience including his use of pugnacious humor).

Edited March 7, 2019 by Mr. Unknown

[Mr. Unknown]

Now I do think this year that Democrats will be more likely to support the victor of the primary, whoever it turns out to be. I am skeptical though if the winner will draw in independent support as they may not be as motivated depending on the candidate.

 

Also it largely depends what policies they’re holding, I honestly think the Democratic establishment would turn on Bernie were he to win the primary and support Trump instead. Simply for his economic policies. I would say Bernie also has the biggest name representation and if Bernie were to lose again some of his supporters will not vote for the victor or may vote for Trump due to the “Bernie or Bust” mantra they followed last time and as a big “FU” to the corporate wing of the democratic establishment. 

 

Also I’d say the “Never Trump” portion of the Republican Party has weakened mainly due to his focus on converative politics and they absolutely will join his side if Bernie is the opposition as Bernie is dangerous to a lot of conservative ideals.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Mr. Unknown

[user23974865]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Unknown said:

Also it largely depends what policies they’re holding, I honestly think the Democratic establishment would turn on Bernie were he to win the primary and support Trump instead. Simply for his economic policies.

This is probably the most problematic part of it (and I guess it's why Clinton was the Democratic candidate last time). No matter what kind of ideals you have, you just need to have support (or at least indifference) from big business. Capitalism sucks, but it can't just be ignored. And, with anything short of war, it can't be destroyed either. It can only be worked around, at best. If war is ruled out (and hopefully it is), gradual change is the only possible way forward.

[Mr. Unknown]

28 minutes ago, burobu said:

Capitalism sucks, but it can't just be ignored.

What are your main points of contention with Capitalism?

[user23974865]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Unknown said:

What are your main points of contention with Capitalism?

Well, mainly I would say that it's...

 

...a vast and deep rabbit hole for another thread. 

 

Feel free to start it yourself if you want, by the way. I'll probably join in.

[daveb]

50 minutes ago, Mr. Unknown said:

I honestly think the Democratic establishment would turn on Bernie were he to win the primary and support Trump instead.

Not at all likely, in my opinion.

[user23974865]

Just now, daveb said:

Not at all likely, in my opinion.

I can't be sure, but I assume he meant their usual support base (funding, voters, etc.).

[Mr. Unknown]

2 minutes ago, daveb said:

Not at all likely, in my opinion.

 

Just now, burobu said:

I can't be sure, but I assume he meant their usual support base (funding, voters, etc.).

I meant the wealthy sponsors of the party. They will turn as Bernie will cost them a lot of money if he enters the executive office.

[Mr. Unknown]

There’s a reason the DNC rigged the last democratic primary against Bernie, and that reason will not have changed regardless of being exposed.

[daveb]

I still disagree. But it's a matter of opinion. None of us knows what they might do.

 

Trump can go hug a flag.  

[Mr. Unknown]

7 minutes ago, burobu said:

Well, mainly I would say that it's...

 

...a vast and deep rabbit hole for another thread. 

 

Feel free to start it yourself if you want, by the way. I'll probably join in.

I’ll open another thread, sure.

[Mr. Unknown]

1 minute ago, daveb said:

I still disagree. But it's a matter of opinion. None of us knows what they might do.

 

Trump can go hug a flag.  

You’re not wrong that nobody really knows but I think we can make accurate predictions. I’m not referring to voters in this case, I mean corporate funding which is most/a large amount of the funding in politics. Most corporations are not going to pay money for a candidate that will hurt their ability to compete in the world market.

[user23974865]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Unknown said:

You’re not wrong that nobody really knows but I think we can make accurate predictions. I’m not referring to voters in this case, I mean corporate funding which is most/a large amount of the funding in politics. Most corporations are not going to pay money for a candidate that will hurt their ability to compete in the world market.

Sad (or I guess some might not think it's sad) but true.

[Skycaptain]

The jails are starting to fill up with his acolytes 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47491688

[iff]

 

Not sure where to begin

 

 

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/a-florida-massage-parlor-owner-has-been-selling-chinese-execs-access-to-trump-at-mar-a-lago/