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G0D
Just now, G0D said:

Yes but they are SUPPOSED to report on the story, not BE the story.

Further... 

 

The big issue is that the press in the USA (at least) is politicised, and blatantly so, the press professes to just tell the story, and give facts. But they don't do this, their coverage, and the content they present is done to please the audience, and to shape peoples political opinion. It has for both sides of the political spectrum become propaganda,

 

In the UK the same thing has happened, the only difference is that TV reporting has become entirely biased towards the left, there isn't any media that balances it out. I trusted the BBC for most of my life, I was proud of the corporation, and proud that in the UK we had a news service that was unbiased. I was gutted when it finally hit me that it wasn't. It's not as blatant as it is in the states, and it's not necessarily about the things they report, it is VERY blatant when you see what stories they publicise, and the ones they don't. I could explain, but I would end up publishing another one of my stupidly long posts.

 

I keep thinking that I should try and start a politically neutral news service, but I don't have the resources to pull it off. Personally I don't get my news from TV or radio, or news papers. I like to follow things from sites, and alternative media, and for stories that interest me, I enjoy following the trails, and finding out the truth behind things. I think the reason I am the way I am is that I grew up being christian, heavily christian, and an evangalist, and one day I was 15 and I bumped into someone who tried to sell me on Amway (a network marketing company) and I thought "Shit this whole thing seems like evangelist Christianity.  I asked the question "Who pays for the "Youth Team", I found out, I also found out that the same business was the company who published not just the Bible I was reading, but all the other books, and "Christian Pop" music I consumed. That was about all I needed to say "enough". Now - Now when people start talking in talking points, and their answers to questioning is to say "Your a <insert insulting type of bigot name> if you think like that! I mean the feminist saying "Listen and believe" ! Jees....

 

I digress... What I want more than anything else is reporting that does give people room to asses how they feel about something on their own, and not a non ending conveyor belt  of propaganda, 

 

 

 

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G0D
24 minutes ago, Sally said:

If Trump had answered the question in some manner -- even by saying he wasn't sure -- this wouldn't have happened.  But Trump is an extremely unusual President and instead of doing that, he told one of his minions to take the mike back from the reporter, and she tried to grab it away.  That's never happened before in the decades I've been watching press conferences.  That and Trump's revoking the reporter's credentials were the story, not the reporter.  

No ALL politicians do it. It's part of the job. The only difference (if there is any) is that he has not finesse in avoiding questions.

 

Most politicians tend to avoid by answering another question, or just repeating a talking point, Something like this:

 

Journalist: So Mr Politician, How do you like your coffee?

Politician: Well Ms Journalist, that's a great question, but the real question is where the coffee came from, The Generic party and I want to bring more awareness to the plight of those who work in low paid work.

 

Actually that video before was the perfect example of what politicians do.. Go away now, and listen to any interview with any politician, and you will see it in answer just just about every question. They rarely or ever answer the question they are asked, it's so ubiquitous that you may not have noticed it.

 

As for the statement that The Trump is "Strange". I could not agree more. He doesn't deserve many of the things he is accused of, but he is not someone I would like to have over for tea, or share a drink with.

 

Any way watch this it's only a min or so long, and it demonstrates exactly what politicians do.

 

Here is just the part where he doesn't answer the same question for nearly 2min.

 

 

 

Here is the whole interview:

 

 

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Telecaster68

You know why Paxman kept on at it so long? The next scheduled interviewee had dropped out and they'd have had dead air. It wasn't politics. 

 

But actually it illustrates the point - Howard did the standard politics thing of slithering. Trump would've denounced Paxman as any enemy of the people because he fundamentally doesn't recognise the value of a free press. Most politicians genuinely do even though they don't like being grilled. That's the difference. I've worked as a journalist and in political communication for 30 years and seen both sides close up - I'm talking from direct experience. 

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Perspektiv
5 hours ago, Sally said:

The press is not supposed to back down, because they are our voices 

While I agree with the above statement, I still feel Acosta is a hack. 

 

I see him like Martin Bashir, and several others in the media who often have agendas. He is also notorious for adding spins to stories to sell news. He has been caught red handed several times. 

 

If this is the voices you say speak for us, then there should be more objectivity and integrity to the message being sent. 

 

Trumps idiocy speaks for itself. You painting the picture stops being news. 

 

Are you selling us stories or presenting us with the news.

 

CNN is a tabloid newspaper on TV. 

 

They are an insult to anyone who reads books. 

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Sally
4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

While I agree with the above statement, I still feel Acosta is a hack. 

 

I see him like Martin Bashir, and several others in the media who often have agendas. He is also notorious for adding spins to stories to sell news. He has been caught red handed several times. 

 

If this is the voices you say speak for us, then there should be more objectivity and integrity to the message being sent. 

 

Trumps idiocy speaks for itself. You painting the picture stops being news. 

 

Are you selling us stories or presenting us with the news.

 

CNN is a tabloid newspaper on TV. 

 

They are an insult to anyone who reads books. 

I've been reading pretty damned serious books for oh-too-long and CNN is not an insult to me.   I have no idea who Martin Bashir is, but knowing that you're Canadian, I again think that people who don't live in the US maybe should not make such absolute, definitive statements about US politics and politicians.  And I know you've said that you down here a lot, like you say you've dated a whole bunch of women and you've  had a whole bunch of jobs and lived a whole bunch of places, but I'm beginning to wonder whether some of that is just stories, to try to prove your points.  

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Telecaster68

Martin Bashir was the BBC journalist who did the 'there were two of us in this marriage' interview with Princess of Wales. He's now the BBC's religious editor, I think. I get the impression he's an egotistical self publicist, but also good at getting the story. That may be true of Acosta too - you don't get to be Washington correspondent for one of the biggest TV news channels without being good at your job, and I've yet to meet a TV journalist without an ego.

 

All journalism has always had an element of entertainment to it - of nobody's reading your copy, there's no point in writing or publishing it. It doesn't make it less true, necessarily.

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Telecaster68

And now it appears that in Trump's head, Southern California and Finland have the same weather...

 

Most of the burning forest is apparently under federal, not state, management, so blaming the state is just inaccurate. Remind me - is California blue or red? #innocentface

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Urishir

Id like to point out we dont rake our forest floors in finland.

We do have loads of forest roads making it easier to get to fires but so far we havent really had bad fires so no idea if we would be able to handle such.

Judging how bad it was in Sweden this year i doubt wed be much better off. 

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Telecaster68

I heard a forestry expert saying one of the issues was that the authorities don't let small fires burn the undergrowth regularly, so it all builds up.

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Perspektiv
5 hours ago, Sally said:

I've been reading pretty damned serious books for oh-too-long and CNN is not an insult to me.   I have no idea who Martin Bashir is, but knowing that you're Canadian, I again think that people who don't live in the US maybe should not make such absolute, definitive statements about US politics and politicians.  And I know you've said that you down here a lot, like you say you've dated a whole bunch of women and you've  had a whole bunch of jobs and lived a whole bunch of places, but I'm beginning to wonder whether some of that is just stories, to try to prove your points.  

Well it's an insult to anyone who can think outside the box or read between the lines. They literally mock people with short attention spans, with how they run their news. The narrative text below the screen, on top of the scrolling breaking news stories at the bottom. That's essentially them knowing how short attention spans are, and trolling people about it.

 

Its the equivalent of a movie ditching any story line, and strictly going for rapid fire action scenes, in doing the same thing. Why bother with accurate or even quality content, when you have tons of constant action?

 

Bashir is a reporter who is quite famous, actually. He's the infamous reporter who made Michael Jackson look horrible in an interview, only to find out Michael Jackson had recorded with his own cameras too.

 

Made him look like a total idiot looking for a scoop, vs reporting accurately. It showcased a lack of integrity, as he had earned Jackson's trust before throwing him under the bus with many false allegations. He's been caught doing this a few times. Crazy how a carefully edited video can change a story. Trump is trolling CNN using the same antics they use. Probably why they clash so heavily. They're like twins.

 

He's been called out for his antics by several celebrities.

 

I'm Canadian, sure. I also read a lot about US business and politics. I also read a lot about politics and business about every country I've traveled to, including countries I'll be conducting business in (or currently am). I love social psychology, so tend to read about the social structures of every country I've been to, as well. It helps to understand how people respond to certain institutions.

 

I'm confused as to how being Canadian bars me from having an opinion on US politics. Or you being American, would bar you from having an opinion on Canadian politics, if you were well aware of how politics here were conducted.

 

Feel free to explain. I'm all ears.

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InquisitivePhilosopher

For anyone who's interested, there is a national fire map website that includes incident reports of the cause of specific fires, whether lightening, man-made, whether the cause is still under investigation, etc.

 

I saw some of the California fires were listed as being caused by lightning, while others were listed as being under investigation.

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RosyIcepick

Hmm... if we use Trump Logic™, that is, where raking = fire prevention, perhaps if we rake his hair he'll stop making inflammatory comments.

 

-runs off the hardware store-

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Just Dani
6 minutes ago, RosyIcepick said:

Hmm... if we use Trump Logic™, that is, where raking = fire prevention, perhaps if we rake his hair he'll stop making inflammatory comments.

 

-runs off the hardware store-

Ah ha ha ha! 🤣

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Telecaster68

Dear God he can't even remember the name of the place he's visiting, while he's visiting its burnt down remains and it tragically had one of the most memorably darkly ironic names ever.

 

No words.

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5 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

Dear God he can't even remember the name of the place he's visiting, while he's visiting its burnt down remains and it tragically had one of the most memorably darkly ironic names ever.

 

No words.

He doesn't care and doesn't even pretend to care about the people of Paradise. It is insulting and disrespectful.

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Telecaster68

But... But... But... He's a man of the people, not one of the rich elite!

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The Dryad

@Perspektiv

 

Any native citizen is more likely to know their own countries' politics better than any foreigner, because of culture and all the little undescribed nuances that can't exactly be translated or told, that's probably what Sally is referring to. Just because you're well read doesn't mean you know more than Americans in America, and that gives you a different perspective, that doesn't make you wrong though.

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1 hour ago, The Dryad said:

Just because you're well read

I've traveled to the US, quite a few times. More than half my family is American (with relatives residing in Virginia, New York, California, etc). I do business with Americans, daily.

 

You're telling me someone who is regularly exposed to the American culture, won't eventually come to understanding it?

 

I've resided in England. You're telling me I'll be clueless to British slang? British comedy, and British politics just because I'm not from there?

 

I would say you're wrong.

 

Books are meaningless, if you can't apply the knowledge.

 

I was taught about world affairs in my school curriculum. Meant that you opened your mind to countries that weren't your own.

 

Its the main reason I speak as many languages as I do, and am as fascinated by as many countries as I am. Also, why I've traveled a lot, and still do.

 

The diameter of your knowledge, is the circumference of your activity.

 

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Sally
18 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I've traveled to the US, quite a few times. More than half my family is American (with relatives residing in Virginia, New York, California, etc). I do business with Americans, daily.

 

You're telling me someone who is regularly exposed to the American culture, won't eventually come to understanding it?

 

I've resided in England. You're telling me I'll be clueless to British slang? British comedy, and British politics just because I'm not from there?

 

I would say you're wrong.

 

Books are meaningless, if you can't apply the knowledge.

 

I was taught about world affairs in my school curriculum. Meant that you opened your mind to countries that weren't your own.

 

Its the main reason I speak as many languages as I do, and am as fascinated by as many countries as I am. Also, why I've traveled a lot, and still do.

 

The diameter of your knowledge, is the circumference of your activity.

 

Why can't you just let this go?  

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Perspektiv
17 minutes ago, Sally said:

Why can't you just let this go?  

I'm confused as to how me refuting your, and the Dryad's opinion is me being unable to let go.

 

Feel free to elaborate.

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Telecaster68
5 hours ago, Sally said:

I've resided in England

I'm a Brit. I'm completely sure I understand our culture and politics better than you.

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Skycaptain

I know that this may sound boring, but a return to the original topic wouldn't go amiss here. Thanks 

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