Master Trump Thread

[Skycaptain]

Nah, he'll get summons to a war crimes tribunal at The Hague, found guilty of crimes against humanity by ordering the division of families and keeping children in cages like laboratory rats and jailed 😋

[daveb]

Let's also not forget the trade wars Trump is stirring up, and not doing any good for the US economy. Just to take a personal example, at best my 401k is flat so far this year. In a thriving economy it would be earning money. Even in an historically under-performing economy it would most likely be earning some money. But going flat for half a year is not thriving. Nor is it "winning". This affects me personally, but I am not alone. 

 

Of course his supporters will put some sort of positive spin on it, "has to be done to protect the US", call "fake news", complain that anyone who doesn't agree is stupid or misled or un-American, and probably also try to say "what about Obama" or "what about Hillary" or decry the Mueller investigation or fall back on any of their other usual deflectionary tactics. Anything but own up to their guy's failings. Because, apparently "he can do no wrong".

[ben8884]

Trump has threatened to shut down Congress again unless he gets his wall so I think we can forget about Trump making a deal with Congress and conceding anything. If history is anything to go by it will be another mess that Trump blames on the Democrats despite his party controlling both Houses until the Senate decides to sort things out.

[Yatogami]

2 hours ago, Skycaptain said:

Nah, he'll get summons to a war crimes tribunal at The Hague, found guilty of crimes against humanity by ordering the division of families and keeping children in cages like laboratory rats and jailed 😋

Its not a war crime to arrest people who broke the law. Also, those "cages" were from 2014's detainment facilities. They are not current conditions.

 

What you said is as delerious as those who think Russia collusion exists. Its a terrible conspiracy theory.

 

 

[Yatogami]

51 minutes ago, ben8884 said:

Trump has threatened to shut down Congress again unless he gets his wall so I think we can forget about Trump making a deal with Congress and conceding anything. If history is anything to go by it will be another mess that Trump blames on the Democrats despite his party controlling both Houses until the Senate decides to sort things out.

Trump has already agreed to sign something. But the possibility its absolute garbage exists, he might veto it.

[Yatogami]

1 hour ago, Telecaster68 said:

Now Trump's backed down, Malum, do you think he was wrong in the first place? Or is he now wrong? 

He is solving the problem temporarily through the Executive branch, but it should be solved by Congress. If Congress refuses to change the law, it is the president's job to enforce the law. What precident does it set, to simply ignore certain laws. It will lead to bigger issues. Trump was never breaking any law, or in the wrong with his enforcement. But since the media stirred up trouble, out of a long time issue, and convincing people they are concentraition camps. Despite this having been going on for decades. Even Obama discussed this very well, but Congress didn't care, and Obama didn't use an executive order himself. Why Trump is suddenly to blame, is entirely fabricated to trigger people.

 

What I also don't like, is famous people calling for rape and kidnapping of ICE members, and any of the Trump Administration's children. I don't care what side your on, that is uncalled for.

[The Terrible Travis]

7 hours ago, Malum said:

I can see you are one of those people. Next you're gonna tell me you are a socialist who likes Bernie Sanders.

hell yeah

 

bernie 2020 baby

[Yatogami]

2 minutes ago, The Terrible Travis said:

hell yeah

 

bernie 2020 baby

It will be fun to watch him lose again personally, then maybe Burnouts can finally stop talking about how much Sanders would have won.

 

Your biggest threat is the DNC itself in reality.

[The Terrible Travis]

Just now, Malum said:

It will be fun to watch him lose again personally, then maybe Burnouts can finally stop talking about how much Sanders would have won.

actually he will win in a landslide

 

Just now, Malum said:

Your biggest threat is the DNC itself in reality.

yeah fuck the dnc

[Yatogami]

2 minutes ago, The Terrible Travis said:

actually he will win in a landslide

We shall see! 😃

[The Terrible Travis]

1 minute ago, Malum said:

We shall see! 😃

we will 😉

[Skycaptain]

2 hours ago, Malum said:

Its not a war crime to arrest people who broke the law. Also, those "cages" were from 2014's detainment facilities. They are not current conditions.

 

What you said is as delerious as those who think Russia collusion exists. Its a terrible conspiracy theory.

 

 

There's nothing delirious about a fact. There would not have been a massive U-turn by the presidential team if it wasn't for the adverse publicity this has created. Theresa May openly condemned this policy in the British Parliament today, and hasn't been alone 

[Yatogami]

20 minutes ago, Skycaptain said:

There's nothing delirious about a fact. There would not have been a massive U-turn by the presidential team if it wasn't for the adverse publicity this has created. Theresa May openly condemned this policy in the British Parliament today, and hasn't been alone 

Only one problem, you didn't post any facts. 

[daveb]

So Trump finally backed off and put an end to a crisis he created. I suppose we should give him an award for that.

[thylacine]

I'm old fashioned so I still read newspapers, yeah, real actual newspapers... on real actual paper!  And yah know what, the black & white photos, in today's paper, of kids in cages made me sick!  Oh my God!  Kids!  In cages!  WTF is wrong with this country for allowing this jackass?!  Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, we have got kids in what appear to be freakin' dog kennels!

[Skycaptain]

4 hours ago, daveb said:

So Trump finally backed off and put an end to a crisis he created. I suppose we should give him an award for that.

The sewer award for performing more 180° turns than a box full of soil pipe U-bends? 

[Sally]

17 hours ago, Malum said:

Can't recognize sarcasm. Attacks the lowest hanging fruit.

 

Try harder.

 

 

But you did.  

[Sally]

31 minutes ago, Skycaptain said:

The sewer award for performing more 180° turns than a box full of soil pipe U-bends? 

He didn't actually take care of the crisis, since from now on he's going to imprison indefinitely families with their children, and the "from now on" means the kids that are out there already -- more than 2,000 -- will not be reunited with their families.  Some have been sent as far away as New York.  

[pickles.]

From a Slate article: 

 

"What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors."

 

The ACLU and other entities have filed lawsuits claiming their defendants' due process rights have been violated.  Undocumented immigrants are still covered by the 5th amendment, and parents have particularly strong due process rights when it comes to the custodial care of their minor children.  Traditionally, humans have put a high value on family relationships and threats to family integrity.

[Giwreh]

18 hours ago, Malum said:

Nope. Deal with it.

God  has spoken from the heights of the Sierra Nevada 🤣  🥂

 

[Yatogami]

13 hours ago, daveb said:

So Trump finally backed off and put an end to a crisis he created. I suppose we should give him an award for that.

Except there was no crisis he created. It was fabricated by the media. He simply fixed it, because no one else would. It was way worse in 2014 too.

[Yatogami]

2 hours ago, Telecaster68 said:

Thousands of traumatised children aren't a crisis? 

No, its pretty normal. It is also the parents responsibility for putting them through it. It is not America's responsibility to deal with kids, who's parents commited crimes. If they really wanted to cause a crisis, they'd deport the children back without their parents instead of providing them with refugee camp detainment, while their parents go through Due process.

 

They also don't even need to cross illegally to claim asylum. They can do it at the embassy. So it doesn't make sense they would intentionally try to cross like that unless...

 

a) They are taking advantage of soft people, because they could in the past.

b) It's actually human trafficking operations. 

 

Neither are good.

 

[pickles.]

7 minutes ago, Malum said:

If they really wanted to cause a crisis, they'd deport the children back without their parents instead of providing them with refugee camp detainment, while their parents go through Due process.

Some of the children have been sent thousands of miles to detainment centers in different states (Michigan, New York, South Carolina, Florida, Virginia, etc.), and the parents have no idea if or when they will see them again.

[Skycaptain]

If he personally actually gave two hoots about the issue, rather than ruling by social media, he's had over fifteen months to have done something. If this hasn't become a major talking point on social media nothing would have been done. We're not talking about instant asylum status for kids, just keeping families together. 

[Yatogami]

30 minutes ago, Skycaptain said:

If he personally actually gave two hoots about the issue, rather than ruling by social media, he's had over fifteen months to have done something. If this hasn't become a major talking point on social media nothing would have been done. We're not talking about instant asylum status for kids, just keeping families together. 

What is the solution? Just letting them in, is not an option. Their parents are in jail. So what do you do with the children? We were treating them like refugees with 3 meals a day, and room to move around. Well now that you do not want to seperate them from their families. Where do you think they are going now? They are now in jail with their parents. Refugee camps are far better than jail. Good job Democrats.

 

If it's so easy, and so obvious that Trump should have done it sooner...despite the fact Obama and other previous presidents were well aware of this and did nothing. Explain to my why only he is responsible. What "Trump policy" caused this?

 

So much of the Left, is so intoxicated by hatred and their politics. They do not want to solve the problem. They do not want to work out the problem. Congress got the bill to change the law, and surprise surprise. Democrats voted no. It was the Democrats who obstruct intentionally, no matter what kind of bill it is. If Trump, or Republicans made it. It is a big fat no. They don't care about helping and fixing. They only care about them being in power, and them fooling everyone into giving it to them. It is disgustingly childish, and unprofessional. Then they have audacity to mock Trump. Pot, meet Kettle.

 

I am honest to God, surprised at how irrational people are about Trump. Factual evidence to a Liberal's argument can literally be in front certain Liberals faces, and they will deny it exists, scream louder, project, deflect, and act smug like they won the argument. 

 

Trump derangement syndrome is worse than Flat Earthers, or any conspiracy theory at that. Because people are taking these rediculous beliefs into positions of power.

[Yatogami]

1 hour ago, pickles mcgee said:

Some of the children have been sent thousands of miles to detainment centers in different states (Michigan, New York, South Carolina, Florida, Virginia, etc.), and the parents have no idea if or when they will see them again.

Would you rather they be crammed into over crowded facilities? Once again, not America's fault. Parents should have thought of that before breaking the law.

 

Before you critisize something, try thinking of an immediate solution.

[Skycaptain]

Sieg Heil

[iff]

2 hours ago, Malum said:

 

They also don't even need to cross illegally to claim asylum. They can do it at the embassy. So it doesn't make sense they would intentionally try to cross like that unless...

.

 

What is your source on this as https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html disagrees

[Guest]

One of the first lawsuits I've heard of stemming from this year's children being separated from their parents is finally being filed:

 

Spoiler

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/guatemalan-mother-son-separated-lawsuit/index.html

 

Not sure if there is a leg to stand on (is there?), considering she was breaking the law. Interesting, nonetheless. If she does, it would be curious how many more could see this loophole and use it to their advantage.

 

Trump has got to be the president with the most lawsuits filed against him. I'd be curious to see statistics on this, and how much of a lead he has on the runner up. Or who is beating him O_o

[ben8884]

3 hours ago, Malum said:

Would you rather they be crammed into over crowded facilities? Once again, not America's fault. Parents should have thought of that before breaking the law.

 

Before you critisize something, try thinking of an immediate solution.

I dont think there are any immediate solutions though, and I think thats something Trump does not understand. Problem with illegal migrants? Build a wall. Problem with NAFTA? Tariffs.  Problems with the Iranian deal? Gone. What replaces that deal? Ummmm...worst deal ever!!! 

These are serious complicated problems and for me the worst and scariest thing about this is not that Trump doesn't know about these issues, its that he does not seem interested in finding out about them. 

Also Trump may well have more lawsuits against him than any other President but hey on the bright side he finally beat Obama at something!