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Autochorissexual/Aegosexual? Heard of it?

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Flemming

Autochorisexuality A disconnection between oneself and a sexual target/object of arousal; may involve sexual fantasies, or arousal in response to erotica or pornography, but lacking any desire to be a participant in the sexual activities therein. Commonly found in asexual people; an analogous feeling may occur in aromantic people for romantic fantasies. (Anthony Bogaert)

I reccently discovered this term on a tumblr post and I thought it fit me quite well. I was surprised that I hadn't heard of it before as I'm active on aven (even if I'm just lurking). It made me quite happy that I found it because sometimes I felt like I might not really be asexual because I still enjoyed thinking of sex but not participating. Then I wondered if I hadn't heard of it, how many other asexual people hadnt? Thus, the post.

My only problem with it is that Anthony Bogaert, the guy who originally coined the term despite not being asexual himself, used it to describe a paraphilia (like a kink) and not a sexuality. As I have seen a lot of people identify with this term since researching this and finding out more about it, I don't think it's a kink (which didnt even make sense in the first place, honestly). Someone on tumblr who was autochorissexual themself came up with a new term, 'Aegosexual', which is NOT a mouthful and has something to do with latin root words.

If you are (or even if you aren't, use your imagination) autochorissexual, would you rather identify as aego- or autochoris-? Have you heard of either of these terms before?

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Philip027

Heard about it, all over the damn place

Still don't get what makes it different from just saying "I'm a libidoist asexual that just doesn't want to have sex"

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Mysticus Insanus

Still don't get what makes it different from just saying "I'm a libidoist asexual that just doesn't want to have sex"

It... uses considerably less letters/syllables? ;)

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Philip027
It... uses considerably less letters/syllables?

That's something going for it, I suppose

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Sleepy Skeleton

Yes. I found that word too and I think it would great to describe me, although I prefer aegosexual.

Heard about it, all over the damn place

Still don't get what makes it different from just saying "I'm a libidoist asexual that just doesn't want to have sex"

I don't think it's quite the same. It's hard to explain.

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mayve

"Autochorisexualism" is the word you're looking at, not "autochorisexuality". I don't believe to term was created to make a whole new sexuality but rather a word to describe the state of "disconnection between their identity and a sexual target/object".

I suppose people could create that into an identity, but do we really need another obscure term that we demand people must know? I mean, I experience autochorisexualism but I don't call myself an autochorisexual. I call myself an asexual. I think we need to embrace that asexuals are diverse without trying to find a new word for every single feeling. Sure, it may shorten explaining it, but only if people are previously aware of what the term means. I'd rather that, if I want someone to know the kind of asexual I am, I explain it without all the jargon. I find having too many labels and sublabels slightly ridiculous. /unpopular opinion

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paperwishes

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

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mayve

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

It's not "attraction", it's arousal, which people can argue are different.

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paperwishes

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

It's not "attraction", it's arousal, which people can argue are different.

But a lot of them are attracted to characters

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mayve

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

It's not "attraction", it's arousal, which people can argue are different.

But a lot of them are attracted to characters

Okay, I probably could have explained this better so I'm going to explain what autochorisexualism is. It's when you become around by porn and erotica, but not experience sexual attraction to the people involved in these scenarios. Edit: you are aroused by the scenario, not necessarily the people

Also some argue that fictional characters are not real, therefore any sexual attraction toward them is invalid. They would most likely not experience sexual attraction to them if they met them in real life. But I can't really speak for them because I don't experience sexual attraction to fictional characters either.

Hope I cleared that up.

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CBC

To me, it's another term to add to my list of wholly-unnecessary terms.

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mayve

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

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Flemming

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

Right? I was not expecting this much negativity! O_o This is slightly disconcerting.

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Iyck

I knew the term already and I experience this as well. I'm neither sexual nor consider myself much of a libidoist since I've never felt any need to act on arousal when it occured. Autochorisexualism can be experienced no matter what sexual orientation you have as far as I'm aware. It sure doesn't change whether someone is asexual or not.

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Frac

But a lot of them are attracted to characters

People misusing a term doesn't invalidate the concept itself. That, and it's quite possible it's just romantic (nonsexual) attraction, which is normal for asexuals.

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Mysticus Insanus

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

Just slightly?

It shows why my new signature is spot on.

I mean, I experience autochorisexualism but I don't call myself an autochorisexual. I call myself an asexual. I think we need to embrace that asexuals are diverse without trying to find a new word for every single feeling.

But I agree with this. I, too, am asexual. I, too, am what the word "autochorissexual" describes. I, too, find that word itself incredibly stupid.

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Serran

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

Yeah... gonna have to agree that is very annoying. Lots of aces look at porn and become aroused (I personally do not, but I lack a libido). Some aces even think about sex. But, does that TRULY make one "sexual"? Of all the sexuals I know, they would all say no. So, stop telling people they aren't asexual cause of it people. :P

If you want to use this label, it's fine. Personal choice. I don't think society at large will memorize it any time soon though, so you will still likely have to explain what you mean. I would just say "libidoist asexual" personally, if I had that experience.

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Member4445

Honestly, I have heard of it and it sounds like somebody who is attracted to Robotic Spanish Sausages.

The biggest problem is that it came from Tumblr.

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Sally

I'm currently using a explanation scenario to vet all these new words: explaining them to your mother. I think that's valid since many if not most "new" asexuals are pretty young and many seem to need to explain themselves to their parents.

So imagine explaining autochorisexual or aegosexual to your mother.

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Mona Lisa

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

It again boils down to semantics and how you define asexuality. Even if I fantasize, and even if the fantasies involve real people or even specific genitalia, I don't innately desire partnered sex or sexual activity with others - ever, or with anyone, regardless of gender. You could argue that in itself is a lack of sexual attraction.

I can't and don't identify with the experience of "sexual" people because not wanting to have sex isn't my choice. I have many of the same feelings and suffer from the same social difficulties that a nonlibidoist asexual person does. "Autochorissexual" might describe my feelings, but I am a de facto asexual. I think it's terribly silly to ignore that asexuality is a spectrum, and that not every asexual person will have the same experience of their (a)sexuality. I mean, you've labeled yourself demisexual. Demisexual people can experience sexual attraction and yet they are part of the spectrum. What makes me less of a part of this community than you? Please explain.

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paperwishes

I might get hate for this but I don't think autochoris.. etc belongs with asexuality. It's a sexual who just doesn't want to have sex, for various reasons. It's used to describe people who get attracted to fictional characters/cartoons etc, right? That's still sexual attraction. So, in my opinion, if you're autochoris you are not ace. (Shrug)

It again boils down to semantics and how you define asexuality. Even if I fantasize, and even if the fantasies involve real people or even specific genitalia, I don't innately desire partnered sex or sexual activity with others - ever, or with anyone, regardless of gender. You could argue that in itself is a lack of sexual attraction.

I can't and don't identify with the experience of "sexual" people because not wanting to have sex isn't my choice. I have many of the same feelings and suffer from the same social difficulties that a nonlibidoist asexual person does. "Autochorissexual" might describe my feelings, but I am a de facto asexual. I think it's terribly silly to ignore that asexuality is a spectrum, and that not every asexual person will have the same experience of their (a)sexuality. I mean, you've labeled yourself demisexual. Demisexual people can experience sexual attraction and yet they are part of the spectrum. What makes me less of a part of this community than you? Please explain.

I do know that asexuality is a spectrum. I decided to use "demisexual" because I have felt comfortable with having sex with guys I was in a relationship with. In the future this may happen again but right now I'm not interested. Some people I've talked to have told me I sound more completely ace than demi, but I'll stick with demi unless I feel otherwise. This is just based on how I felt in relationships in the past, before I had even heard of asexuality, and now that I feel more comfortable I'm wondering if it was a mental thing that caused me to desire sex with my partners. Wanting approval or to be loved or accepted, rather than actually wanting sex. I also get aroused with erotica, but I don't seek out reading it, I just know I've experienced it before. But I'm also highly sensual, so I don't know. I think sexuality is confusing for a lot of people. The thing with autochorissexual is that, to me, it appears that they DO in fact experience sexual attraction, just not to real people and they don't desire to act it out. I knew I'd get hate but that's my explanation that you wanted. I think I'll stay out of discussions like this from now on, anyway.

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Iyck

The thing with autochorissexual is that, to me, it appears that they DO in fact experience sexual attraction, just not to real people and they don't desire to act it out. I knew I'd get hate but that's my explanation that you wanted. I think I'll stay out of discussions like this from now on, anyway.

Could you possibly be confusing authorissexualism (the word is really tedious...) with fictosexual? I have seen sexual attraction to fictional characters called that and it's not the same as far as I understand the use of both words. In one case there is attraction and in the other there is just arousal because of a mental stimuli like erotica but without attraction. It's okay if you don't want to discuss further, I just thought it was something important to point out and make more sense of this.

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paperwishes

The thing with autochorissexual is that, to me, it appears that they DO in fact experience sexual attraction, just not to real people and they don't desire to act it out. I knew I'd get hate but that's my explanation that you wanted. I think I'll stay out of discussions like this from now on, anyway.

Could you possibly be confusing authorissexualism (the word is really tedious...) with fictosexual? I have seen sexual attraction to fictional characters called that and it's not the same as far as I understand the use of both words. In one case there is attraction and in the other there is just arousal because of a mental stimuli like erotica but without attraction. It's okay if you don't want to discuss further, I just thought it was something important to point out and make more sense of this.

I give up!!!!!!!!!

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Mysticus Insanus

Could you possibly be confusing authorissexualism (the word is really tedious...) with fictosexual? I have seen sexual attraction to fictional characters called that and it's not the same as far as I understand the use of both words. In one case there is attraction and in the other there is just arousal because of a mental stimuli like erotica but without attraction. It's okay if you don't want to discuss further, I just thought it was something important to point out and make more sense of this.

So the difference you see depends on whether one believes "sexual attraction" is a real, discrete, and important thing?

Yep, no wonder I consider these two terms to be practically synonymous. :lol:

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Iyck

Could you possibly be confusing authorissexualism (the word is really tedious...) with fictosexual? I have seen sexual attraction to fictional characters called that and it's not the same as far as I understand the use of both words. In one case there is attraction and in the other there is just arousal because of a mental stimuli like erotica but without attraction. It's okay if you don't want to discuss further, I just thought it was something important to point out and make more sense of this.

So the difference you see depends on whether one believes "sexual attraction" is a real, discrete, and important thing?

Yep, no wonder I consider these two terms to be practically synonymous. :lol:

Yes it probably depends on what "sexual attraction" is supposed to be. I do assume that when people say they experience sexual attraction that it's something that I just can't relate to and therefore don't experience. I guess my comment just further derailed the topic :huh:

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Silversoundhound

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

Right? I was not expecting this much negativity! O_o This is slightly disconcerting.

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Sally

Getting slightly disturbed by the fact people are trying to discredit my asexuality because I experience autochorisexualism.

Right? I was not expecting this much negativity! O_o This is slightly disconcerting.

I really doubt anyone's trying to discredit anyone's sexuality. It's just that these new words are breeding like rabbits. I swear I've heard 6 of them crop up in the last week.

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myowneviltwin

I appreciate this discussion and I don't know why people rush to dismiss it. Personally, I'm always looking for new vocabulary - the more words I can find to help me describe something as weird and squiggly as feelings, the better - even if it's only in my own head. I don't think anyone's expecting a bunch of new terms to be adopted by the Public At Large. At least not any time soon. So, there's no such thing as having too many words, in my opinion - but then, I'm a huge word nerd. Come to think of it, is there a word for being sexually aroused by extremely precise vocabulary? Because I think I might have that kink. ;)

But seriously, folks... I'm beginning to realize something about myself, and I'm finding it hard to explain. Basically, what it boils down to is, I love to fantasize, I spend a substantial part of my free time doing so, but in order to enjoy it at all, I have to remove myself, 100%, from the fantasy. I'm not a participant, I'm not even a voyeur/witness/whatever in the scenario, I am just not there. I never have been.

The more I think about it, the weirder it starts to seem to me: I enjoy my mental reactions/engagement, but my physical reactions disgust me. I seek out arousing stimuli, but I can't let myself notice my own body's response, because that is the opposite of arousing. Is this making any sense to anyone? Apologies in advance for the over-share, but, I've never been able to masturbate, because I'm too repulsed. I can't get past it, and I'm over 30 years old. I'm not repulsed by the idea of self-stimulation - in fact I think it's hella sexy when I imagine someone else wanking! - but, seriously, I squick myself out. I can't really explain that to myself, much less to anyone else.

I don't know if there's a word for this. I don't much care whether or not there's an Official Identity Label so I can click the box next to it. I don't know if it's something that can or can't be changed. I think if it is something that can change, I would like to explore that, but first, I'd have to be able to understand it, and then, I'd probably have to be able to talk to someone about it, right? Which is... mortifying.

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Mysticus Insanus

I really doubt anyone's trying to discredit anyone's sexuality. It's just that these new words are breeding like rabbits. I swear I've heard 6 of them crop up in the last week.

Google quickly showed me that this one goes back at least until September 2013, though.

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