Snao Cone Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 People will somehow find a way to get STDs from sexbots, and also to cheat on sexbots. Somehow. Link to post Share on other sites
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Snao Cone Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I'm not saying people will choose to still get STDs. I'm saying that sexbots won't stop people from facing consequences of sexual choices. Link to post Share on other sites
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Sally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: That is some scary stuff. The laws are painfully difficult to enforce, but to me--this is no different than knowingly giving someone AIDS. Except that AIDS is a terminal disease which demands lifelong medication stave off death, and becoming a father is not. Link to post Share on other sites
Snao Cone Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Uhh, privacy, hacking, product hazards, sharing/second hand use. Not to mention affecting human-to-human relationships of all kinds. Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, Sally said: Except that AIDS is a terminal disease which demands lifelong medication stave off death, and becoming a father is not. The analogy was based on the deceit. Not the consequences. When you have protected sex with a partner there is either a verbal or non-verbal agreement to the terms for the encounter. For someone to poke holes in a condom, or remove it or to deliberately find a way to become pregnant through similar levels of deceit to me, is no different than giving someone AIDS via non-disclosure (or the same means as above). One affects your health, whereas the other will affect your life, but differently via no choice of your own. Some compare this to rape legally, based on the consent you did not obtain. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Going back to an earlier point about deliberately getting pregnant. In days before the CSA a sizeable minority of teenage females in Britain deliberately got themselves pregnant by lying about being on the pill, in the belief that they would be guaranteed a council flat and a life on benefits without having to ever work. This is one reason why we used to have one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in the developed world Link to post Share on other sites
Snao Cone Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Jade Cross said: Well cellphones and computer, not to mention regular security all pretty much take away privacy. Cant see how a sex bot could make it any worse (unless they steal your stuff) Sex toys are an everyday thing. If they have any hazards, not sure a sexbot will have anything too monumentally different. Sharing and second hand use is pretty much stupidity at its finest but not something unheard of. Plenty of people have done so with regular sex toys so again, bad judgement is not the bots fault, its the humans. I believe the last point is what seems to concern people but since humans are already faulty at best, and sex just seems to add a "all hell broke loose" to the mix, what more damage can a bot do? That people will settle for the bot over the real thing? Isnt that what porn does nowadays? Last I checked those who want their sex life to be that of porn, dont really get anywhere with anyone. So Im still not seeing how a bot worsens any of this. I never said sexbots themselves would cause problems, especially not in any morallu culpable way as you seem to have interpreted (wtf, they're bots). I'm saying humans are the cause of their own problems and will find a way (not intentionally) to continue to fuck up their lives around matters of sex, even if all they're non-procreatively fucking is robots. Anyway, this conversation is stretched out and off topic, so that's my last point. Link to post Share on other sites
SorryNotSorry Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 About 30 years ago, the Chinese were playing aroung with a substance called gossypol, which is extracted from cottonseed. It's hella toxic, but in small doses, it makes men stop producing sperm. It not only turned the men's skins yellow, it also made 10% of the male subjects in the Chinese tests permanenty impotent once the pill was stopped. So much for a gossypol-based male "week before" pill. If this new one works the way it's supposed to, it will be a lecher's dream come true—nonstop, endorphin-fueled sex, with ZERO chance of fathering a kid! OTOH this will also make it a paternity lawyer's worst nightmare! Yeah, I doubt this would be legal for long, it would quickly get yanked once Big Brother figures out someone's having fun with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Woodworker1968 said: ! Yeah, I doubt this would be legal for long, it would quickly get yanked once Big Brother figures out someone's having fun with it. "Big Brother" didn't yank the birth control pill. Women have been using it for more than 50 years. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 If your Big Brother yanks you it's probably illegal, and there's no possibility of that producing a child anyway Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Oh SkyC. . . you just can't help it, can you. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Not my fault, if someone hadn't left the opportunity I couldn't have taken it Link to post Share on other sites
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Homer Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 20.1.2018 at 2:47 AM, Sally said: I'm a little stunned whenever I hear about females (or in this case, males) "trapping" their partners into getting pregnant. I just can't believe that happens frequently enough for it to even be mentioned. For a woman, being pregnant/giving birth/having to raise a child is such a serious business that trapping someone into it sounds crazy I know a couple of women who were desperate to reproduce. However I have only been close to one of them and... let's say that I wouldn't rule out trapping. But then again, she's narcisstic so maybe that's related. Link to post Share on other sites
SorryNotSorry Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Somewhere on the web is audio of radio personality Tom Leykis reading a letter from some guy whose fling tried to trap him by retrieving the used condom from the bathroom trash pail after sex and trying to impregnate herself with the contents. But the guy secretly put some hot horseradish into the condom before throwing it out, and this made his fling's privates burn like hell. He said she started hollering in pain and cussing at him from behind the bathroom door. Needless to say, she didn't get pregnant. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 And needless to say, that whole story is BS. Link to post Share on other sites
Philip027 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 It's worth pointing out here that just because it's called "birth control" it doesn't mean that birth control is all it's used for. Sometimes people who aren't particularly concerned about preventing pregnancy (as in, they aren't having sex with males) still take it to regulate hormones and periods and whatnot. Link to post Share on other sites
Snao Cone Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Maybe men should consider regulating their periods as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Philip027 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Quote Maybe men should consider regulating their periods as well. Maybe guys don't need BC at all, they just need happy pills Link to post Share on other sites
GLRDT Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 11:26 AM, Chimeric said: A study examining a potential compound for reversible male birth control came out in the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry recently. This isn't the article itself, but it's a nice summary that takes a lot of the chemical mumbo jumbo out (also I highly recommend Science Daily for anyone who likes to keep an eye on what's going on with the scientific literature but who doesn't have time to, you know, read a bazillion journal articles): https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180117164007.htm Anyway, the point is, they're on a promising lead for what could become an oral contraceptive that men take. It seems very specifically targeted to mature sperm with no observable side effects or detrimental impact on long term fertility thus far (this could change as studies progress, of course ). Assuming all goes as planned and it turns out to be safe and effective, my real question is - the concept of a "birth control pill" being a female contraceptive thing is so heavily entrenched in society today, do you anticipate social roadblocks to garnering acceptance for this sort of thing? What marketing tactics do you think should be employed by the pharma companies that produce this? My biggest concern for me would be does it actually work? Even if they said it was scientifically proven, I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig until a couple years in of proof of it working. Link to post Share on other sites
GLRDT Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 11:14 PM, CaptainYesterday said: Not having to go to war/hunt, are not equally held accountable for their actions, etc. For 99.999% of human history, we needed to operate as if tomorrow could be extinction. Since women are the bottleneck for reproducing, for that 99.999% of human history, they were a coveted resource for that reason, just as men were a resource in giving up their lives protecting the women and children. Then out of nowhere humans take a huge leap forward and suddenly, there's really no fear of the common cold wiping out half of the village. Suddenly, you didn't need to worry about being killed by the boar you had to hunt. But we've had this "protect women at all costs" mentality ingrained within us that it still bled into modern society. Women still don't have to go to war. Women still are protected by social norms like "you should never hit a women (even if she's attacking you)." Police and other such institutions will inherently try to protect/side with women. If a man calls the police because his wife/girlfriend is beating him, there is a better chance that the police will arrest him, especially if the woman has even a single scratch from him defending himself. Women receive far less jail time for equal crimes. There are thousands and thousands of shelters across the country for women, and maybe 1 or 2 for men. We spend four times as much on women's health even though men die much earlier on average than women. When women are disadvantaged in some way, say in college representation, we create programs to help them. Now that men are disadvantaged in colleges, we still celebrate women's dominance and do nothing for the men. We are willing to incarcerate a man on nothing but the word of a woman, but a man who makes the same exact claim against a woman is laughed at and ignored But it doesn't mean we want these things to happen. Personally I would like to be treated equally as men or anybody whether that means it's worse or better for me. I don't want special treatment because of my sex. Link to post Share on other sites
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smack12776 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 10:41 AM, butterflydreams said: I think it’s great, and I think men will really want it. They don’t currently have a lot of birth control options. I don’t anticipate any social roadblocks. I think men have wanted and needed this option for a long time. As far as marketing tactics, I think the ability to have a definitive say over when they want to be a parent is marketing enough. I have to agree with this 1000% times over! So well said. Also, this topic is interesting. As the mother of two young male identifying individuals, I would like to have this discussion with them. Curious to see what their feedback would be? Link to post Share on other sites
apatrickwsu Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/19/2018 at 8:28 PM, CaptainYesterday said: This was deemed to be more dangerous. Or, rather, sufficiently dangerous. No, they had too many people back out of human trials because of side-effects very similar to many methods of birth control women take. That is different than finding it dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites
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