Sundance_ Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'm atheist and asexual. I was raised Mormon and most of my family is Mormon. I got lucky in that my sister and I both left religion when we were living together, so I have a lot of emotional support. Mormons be crazy, yo! Anyway, I see no compelling reasons to believe in God. For sure, there are psychological and social reasons for religious belief that have evolved in humans, but I believe that empirical evidence is more important. I find the Litany of Tarski rather compelling: If the box contains a diamond, I desire to believe that the box contains a diamond; If the box does not contain a diamond, I desire to believe that the box does not contain a diamond; Let me not become attached to beliefs I may not want. The Litany of Tarski is actually a litany template that can be stated about any fact. Here's another example: If the sky is blue I desire to believe that the sky is blue If the sky is not blue I desire to believe that the sky is not blue. Link to post Share on other sites
IanH Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Asexual Antitheist here. If I could choose one person to bring back from the dead, it'd be Hitch.Holy crap, I didn't know I could add Antitheist and not be judged, I posted God Mocker as a sugar coated version, but now that you posted that, let me add, ANTITHEIST HERE TOO!!! :DGlad I could help :D I'm aware that I have a pretty big antitheist streak in me as well, even though I'm rarely all that outspoken about it. I was a very, very religious person once so I definately know what it's like, but let's face it. Sometimes people do stupid things because of their religion, and I can't help but either point and laugh merrily, or in some cases shout in anger at something which should not be. My goal is to be polite when speaking against religion and discussing issues such as why religion is harmful, and how the world would be better without religion, and so on and so forth, but sometimes I slip up and I say some really rude, coldhearted things towards religion and religious people and instead of providing a reasonable argument, I commit argumentum ad hominems towards religious people. I hate it when I do that. :( Link to post Share on other sites
marchpie Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I was raised Mormon and most of my family is Mormon. I got lucky in that my sister and I both left religion when we were living together, so I have a lot of emotional support. Mormons be crazy, yo! Neat. Lucky that you had that emotional support. :) From what I hear, it seems like Mormonism would be one of the harder (if not the hardest) sects of Christianity to leave. Growing up, I had a really close friend who was Mormon and who had tried to convert me on multiple occasions. Since we'd received basically the same education in school ("intelligent creation" was mentioned in passing, but the rest of the curriculum focused on evolution) and she was, in my opinion, a rational and logical thinker, I couldn't understand how she could truly believe in God. So I asked her once, and it was instantly clear how she was basically denying and shutting out everything she'd learned in school that didn't support or that contradicted what she'd learned in church, and that she was denying even that there was any such conflict. And having met her family and been to her church before, I knew why she had to do that. There's too much social and familial pressure to fit in, and I think the risk of losing that community was too great for her to even question the church's teachings. It was really weird, but as soon as I asked her whether she'd ever doubted, I knew I wasn't going to get a straight answer. Anyways, I just wanted to say it's nice to meet you, and I'm glad you made it out safely. :P Link to post Share on other sites
AwkwardAlien Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Asexual atheist here. If I hadn't had a religious upbringing stunting my knowledge at a young age, I likely would have figured out my orientation and a number of other things about myself much sooner. It is hard to be an asexual atheist, but imagine being transgender and being on the autistic spectrum on top of that. It's just nothing but fun over here. -insert sarcasm into last statement- Link to post Share on other sites
Ume_Chika Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 yes I loved small gods, it was an interesting take on the whole religous philosophy. "Its a god eat god world " Link to post Share on other sites
HardToComeBy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Asexual Antitheist here. If I could choose one person to bring back from the dead, it'd be Hitch.Holy crap, I didn't know I could add Antitheist and not be judged, I posted God Mocker as a sugar coated version, but now that you posted that, let me add, ANTITHEIST HERE TOO!!! :DGlad I could help :DI'm aware that I have a pretty big antitheist streak in me as well, even though I'm rarely all that outspoken about it. I was a very, very religious person once so I definately know what it's like, but let's face it. Sometimes people do stupid things because of their religion, and I can't help but either point and laugh merrily, or in some cases shout in anger at something which should not be.My goal is to be polite when speaking against religion and discussing issues such as why religion is harmful, and how the world would be better without religion, and so on and so forth, but sometimes I slip up and I say some really rude, coldhearted things towards religion and religious people and instead of providing a reasonable argument, I commit argumentum ad hominems towards religious people. I hate it when I do that. :( Sometimes it can be hard to say anything without offending the religious person in any scenario. Often, religious people are bothered by us (non-believers) even existing, for that matter. Many religious people think that atheists shouldn't be considered patriots, citizens or good neighbors. Many of them equate us with Hitler, Stalin, or Mao without ever having one atheist friend in their own lives. This is not an informed judgement. This is a simple, unjustified, and childish judgement. Once upon a time, I used to attend church with my parents because I had many friends there, though I was very much an atheist at the time. At the first Sunday morning study class (quite common in conservative evangelical churches) that I went to after returning home from university, the very first thing that the man leading the discussion did - before even telling us what the topic of the class was going to be - was to go around the circle of people there, each person saying the number of how many atheists they knew, and then what they think atheists thought of christians. It became very obvious right away that the vast majority of people there hardly engaged with, or came into contact with the few people that they mentioned. It was almost comical. The bulk of the people in the circle would claim to know one or two atheists at most. It was very revealing for me, as a young, "new" atheist because whenever someone in the circle mentioned what they thought atheists thought about them, I heard so many things that just dripped with projection. Things like: "Atheists think we're weak", "Atheists think everyone would be better off without us" Part of it may be that believing these things tends to fuel a sense of persecution - something that conservative christianity almost requires at times in order to make sense of the holes that it digs itself into. I get that. However, what we have here are humans - legal age adults - who for whatever reason are judging an entire class of people before even having met and interacted with the people in question. Is that justified? Is that ever justified? I don't know about you, but I'm not big on making judgements of entire classes of people. Period. Note that the idea that atheists are bad and disagreeable people is not an uncommon one. It is a common delusion. Just so I'm not misunderstood, I dare not make the claim that, for example, all religious people think a certain way, or that all religious people = xyz. However, when speaking against religion, yes, being polite can definitely help you be heard. Often, people will tend to listen more to someone or something that they find agreeable and mutually respectful. In consolation to my fellow critics of religion (you know who you are ;) ) remember, however, that it is impossible not to offend to some degree, and that is often the religious person's problem, and not yours. In a world where simply not believing in something is worthy of being pigeonholed into a hated, feared, stereotyped class of fellow humans, it is going to be impossible to toe that line between being offensive and "polite." On the subject of ad hominem attacks on religious people, you are right to note the impropriety of such a thing. It can be quite rude and socially unnacceptable (whatever that means) to talk in terms of entire classes of humans, but in my own personal journey out of conservative religion, my beliefs - while seeming to have "peeled off" very slowly, one-by-one - were quite effectively "killed off" (given the final blow) by arguments that were more brash and had friction, ones that enabled my religion to be made fun of. As an atheist - a member of a "class" of humans - I find comfort and inspiration in looking to what others have done before in regards to civil rights. Did feminism make its great strides by claiming that women are oppressed by men, or that women are oppressed by some men? In terms of an argument having rhetorical substance and gravity to carry it forward, I will side with the former type. If you want change, you have to upset the status quo. 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HardToComeBy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 yes I loved small gods, it was an interesting take on the whole religous philosophy. "Its a god eat god world " I want that on a bumper sticker :D I love Terry Pratchett Link to post Share on other sites
Kappamaki Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I have a little dream. A hope that something will happen. In this dream, "I'm Christian," someone will say to me, and then, without any prompting, they'll add apologetically, "but I'm not, like, one of the militant fundamentalist ones. I'm a friendly Christian, and I'm fine with people who aren't." That's when I'll feel like atheists are treated equally. Link to post Share on other sites
skycake Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Asexual Antitheist here. If I could choose one person to bring back from the dead, it'd be Hitch.Holy crap, I didn't know I could add Antitheist and not be judged, I posted God Mocker as a sugar coated version, but now that you posted that, let me add, ANTITHEIST HERE TOO!!! :DGlad I could help :D I'm aware that I have a pretty big antitheist streak in me as well, even though I'm rarely all that outspoken about it. I was a very, very religious person once so I definately know what it's like, but let's face it. Sometimes people do stupid things because of their religion, and I can't help but either point and laugh merrily, or in some cases shout in anger at something which should not be. My goal is to be polite when speaking against religion and discussing issues such as why religion is harmful, and how the world would be better without religion, and so on and so forth, but sometimes I slip up and I say some really rude, coldhearted things towards religion and religious people and instead of providing a reasonable argument, I commit argumentum ad hominems towards religious people. I hate it when I do that. :( I don't care anymore if people get offended. I refuse to feel responsible for other peoples religious feelings. I don't even fully understand what that really means. And I just can't get myself to respect it when adults tell me they believe in ghosts and cheap magic and some führer who supposedly loves everyone of us. George Carlin called god a "stupid, incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit" and I think you couldn't say it much better than that. Now, I made a deal with myself not to actively start these conversations because while I find religion stupid and dangerous and a waste of human brain capacity, what happens in other peoples heads is none of my business. Whatever gets them through the day.... But if I somehow get involved - against my will, you could say - in a conversation, i see no reason why I shouldn't tell them exactly what I wrote above. Why should I be the one showing respect when the other person is the one talking nonsense? As "HardToComeBy said, most people will find a reason to be offended anyway...and I think being offended is a choice, and a very useless one. If someone can't separate their personality from their religious beliefs, I think they need professional help. Link to post Share on other sites
Qutenkuddly Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Some of the posts in this thread regarding members of religious communities are approaching the limit of acceptable behaviour for this forum.I have given clear instructions about acceptable conduct here. In particular, I wish to remind everyone of the following: Insulting generalizations, such as "All (insert group of people) are perverts!", constitute a violation of AVEN Terms of Service in regards to offensive and bigoted content and will not be tolerated, even in a ranting type thread. However, it is okay to express one's feelings about a specific group so long as care is taken not to generalize about or insult that group (e.g. "I hate perverted (insert group of people)!" Please be mindful of how you express your opinions regarding religious people. Bashing them is NOT permitted. Qutenkuddly, Intersectionality Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Why should I be the one showing respect when the other person is the one talking nonsense? Why? Because it's your opinion that they are talking nonsense. And presumably because you want them to respect you. Otherwise, you wouldn't be talking with them, right? This thread is starting to sound like those "asexuals are better because we're PURE" threads. Link to post Share on other sites
Laurawrzz Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Young age Christian rejector to athiesm here. This is how I got there... I went to a Christian Nursery school and Primary school. Our school went to the church every Thursday morning. Every day we sang hymns. I have my old schoolbooks, all about God, where I've written about how much I loved God.One morning, aged six/seven, I was at a friend's watching TV and there was a segment on the Aberfan disaster. In 1966, a landslide, caused by rain, buried a Primary School, killing 116 children (aged 11/12 and under, down to 4) and 28 adults. It happened so fast there wasn't any time to warn them. If it had happened minutes earlier, they would have been broken up for half term. Minutes later, they would have been in their classrooms on the other side of the school.And do you know what they were singing when the landslide killed them?"All Things Bright and Beautiful".http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/21/newsid_2705000/2705335.stm It dwelled in my mind. I went to Sunday school with my friend, and as we sat there in a circle doing Sunday school things, it occurred to me that people had told me God existed... But why should I believe them? If God controlled all things, why would he kill all those innocent people while they were praising him, most of them children? What is the reason? How could have all those children sinned? Surely that makes him evil? Why would people be praising an evil God? What makes them right? Does he even exist? They're telling me to praise him, but why should I? More questions flooded my head, de-constructing the problem. I questioned absolutely everything anyone had ever said about God, and I questioned why I actually believed them. I had no answer. I could not reason that God was anything but wholly fictional.Halfway through a roaring chorus of "How Did Moses Cross the Red Sea" I decided."It's all a load of complete rubbish, isn't it?"And I've never found anything to change my mind back since. Link to post Share on other sites
Someone Else Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 There's nothing innately militant about the word "atheist." Followers of Dawkins and HItchens and the like have been making it sound militant and I've been trying to keep the word from becoming completely captured by the militants. Link to post Share on other sites
plaidclash Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Asexual Antitheist here. If I could choose one person to bring back from the dead, it'd be Hitch.Holy crap, I didn't know I could add Antitheist and not be judged, I posted God Mocker as a sugar coated version, but now that you posted that, let me add, ANTITHEIST HERE TOO!!! :DGlad I could help :D I'm aware that I have a pretty big antitheist streak in me as well, even though I'm rarely all that outspoken about it. I was a very, very religious person once so I definately know what it's like, but let's face it. Sometimes people do stupid things because of their religion, and I can't help but either point and laugh merrily, or in some cases shout in anger at something which should not be. My goal is to be polite when speaking against religion and discussing issues such as why religion is harmful, and how the world would be better without religion, and so on and so forth, but sometimes I slip up and I say some really rude, coldhearted things towards religion and religious people and instead of providing a reasonable argument, I commit argumentum ad hominems towards religious people. I hate it when I do that. :( I'm an antitheist too!!! :D Link to post Share on other sites
Zapstileon Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Personally, I went beyond atheism to anti-theism. So Anti-theist Asexual here too ;) There's nothing innately militant about the word "atheist." Followers of Dawkins and HItchens and the like have been making it sound militant and I've been trying to keep the word from becoming completely captured by the militants. Hitchens was a self-proclaimed anti-theist, so followers of Hitchens (myself included) may very easily go militant on theism - as I have noticed (not that that´s true for all). I try to keep it civilized, but since I tend to oppose the entire concept of theism, it can get hard. Dawkins, as I´ve noticed, has a much more agreeable approach to religion than Hitchens did. Hitchens was very extreme... I can understand that people who see his debates and books would think (wrongly, perhaps) that atheists are very militant. It´s good that you are trying to keep atheism from being completely associated with militant atheism and/or anti-theism. Because those concepts are not the same. Some atheists don't even care if other people are religious, and should therefore not be associated with the militant part of the concept. Although we are swimming close to dangerous waters on this. Feminism has lately suffered a very big blow because it's associated (rather strongly and not necessarily rightly) with man-hating. I don't want that to happen to atheism. Link to post Share on other sites
IanH Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Personally, I went beyond atheism to anti-theism. So Anti-theist Asexual here too ;) There's nothing innately militant about the word "atheist." Followers of Dawkins and HItchens and the like have been making it sound militant and I've been trying to keep the word from becoming completely captured by the militants.Hitchens was a self-proclaimed anti-theist, so followers of Hitchens (myself included) may very easily go militant on theism - as I have noticed (not that that´s true for all). I try to keep it civilized, but since I tend to oppose the entire concept of theism, it can get hard. Dawkins, as I´ve noticed, has a much more agreeable approach to religion than Hitchens did. Hitchens was very extreme... I can understand that people who see his debates and books would think (wrongly, perhaps) that atheists are very militant. It´s good that you are trying to keep atheism from being completely associated with militant atheism and/or anti-theism. Because those concepts are not the same. Some atheists don't even care if other people are religious, and should therefore not be associated with the militant part of the concept. Although we are swimming close to dangerous waters on this. Feminism has lately suffered a very big blow because it's associated (rather strongly and not necessarily rightly) with man-hating. I don't want that to happen to atheism. I'd like to add that anti-theism doesn't automatically equal being aggressive. It's simply an opposition to religion for reasons like religion being harmful. That's not the only reason a person might subscribe anti-theism, but it's the most common one I know. Even I'm on the less aggressive side of anti-theism only becoming aggressive when someone loses their life or are placed in danger because of religion, or if a persons rights or group of peoples rights are on the line because of religion. Otherwise, I'm really calm when I talk about about my opposition to religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Zapstileon Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Personally, I went beyond atheism to anti-theism. So Anti-theist Asexual here too ;) There's nothing innately militant about the word "atheist." Followers of Dawkins and HItchens and the like have been making it sound militant and I've been trying to keep the word from becoming completely captured by the militants.Hitchens was a self-proclaimed anti-theist, so followers of Hitchens (myself included) may very easily go militant on theism - as I have noticed (not that that´s true for all). I try to keep it civilized, but since I tend to oppose the entire concept of theism, it can get hard. Dawkins, as I´ve noticed, has a much more agreeable approach to religion than Hitchens did. Hitchens was very extreme... I can understand that people who see his debates and books would think (wrongly, perhaps) that atheists are very militant. It´s good that you are trying to keep atheism from being completely associated with militant atheism and/or anti-theism. Because those concepts are not the same. Some atheists don't even care if other people are religious, and should therefore not be associated with the militant part of the concept. Although we are swimming close to dangerous waters on this. Feminism has lately suffered a very big blow because it's associated (rather strongly and not necessarily rightly) with man-hating. I don't want that to happen to atheism. I'd like to add that anti-theism doesn't automatically equal being aggressive. It's simply an opposition to religion for reasons like religion being harmful. That's not the only reason a person might subscribe anti-theism, but it's the most common one I know. Even I'm on the less aggressive side of anti-theism only becoming aggressive when someone loses their life or are placed in danger because of religion, or if a persons rights or group of peoples rights are on the line because of religion. Otherwise, I'm really calm when I talk about about my opposition to religion. Of course. :P I didn´t mean to make it sound as if anti-theist always means aggressive and militant. That would be pretty self-destructive of me, I think. I just meant that if one takes Hitchens as an example, on can get that impression. He was never exactly easy-going. I personally get aggressive only when people are being aggressive towards me. Otherwise I do prefer calm, civilized conversations - or arguments, in some cases, but still civilized and calm. Link to post Share on other sites
oldme Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I have few extremely religious relatives that have been trying to convert me since I was little, but I've never understood the need for religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Little Owl Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Another atheist demi- or greyace here. Living in a country with official religion, fortunately a country that's more relaxed or apathetic about it than some others. I try to avoid belief as a thought process and mainly reserve it for people's own accounts of how they feel. I feel more intellectually honest this way. I have shed beliefs the more I learn and have found that to be largely unreliable process, so I prefer to form an understanding of something with the acknowledgement that I may be wrong or that I may not have grasped the whole thing and have holes in my knowledge. And that other people's experiences and feelings might lead them to different conclusions especially if we are talking about values and such. I too love Pratchett's Discworld and its viewpoint on belief. I think that I'm with Granny Weatherwax that believing in gods only encourages them. Link to post Share on other sites
Parisisburning Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm an atheist who loves to sit in a church to find some peace and quiet :) The concept of faith used to intrigue me but not so much anymore, probably because I'm older and more self-confident. I've never received any religious education. Link to post Share on other sites
Qutenkuddly Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I have removed a number of off topic posts and placed them in the Philosophy, Politics and Science forum, which is the more appropriate home for that topic. The discussion can be found here. Please remember that this thread is for the discussion of the intersectionality between atheism and asexuality. Opinions regarding other cultural groups are to be discussed in the Philosophy, Politics and Science forum. Qutenkuddly, Intersectionality Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
MusicHeartShine Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Atheist asexual here! Logic vs blindly following some imaginary friends... yup. Link to post Share on other sites
carolinamoon Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I am an atheist, humanist, feminist and found this site via an atheist site called Free Thought Blogs. I saw the atheist/asexuality discussion mentioned above , which is what brought me back here. Glad to see it included and welcome here. I love the internets! Caroline Link to post Share on other sites
Kappamaki Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Please remember that this thread is for the discussion of the intersectionality between atheism and asexuality. Opinions regarding other cultural groups are to be discussed in the Philosophy, Politics and Science forum. Wait, we're talking about the intersectionality of atheism and asexuality here? Really? We're not just saying hello to all the other AVENite atheists? ...Okay, this sounds fun! So I think the intersectionality of asexuality and atheism is primarily defined by the lack of the struggles regarding any gender-sexuality minority within the framework of an organized religion. In my experience, religious groups tend to act as wild cards when it comes to asexuality as they tend not to have official stances. Some may react with understanding and support, others with unthinking hostility, and still others with creepy patronizing fetishization of asexual "purity." I don't have access to possible support from personal faith and a religious community, but I also don't have to worry about such religious groups' unpredictability and potential hostility. I've also largely avoided some toxic ways of thinking (especially homophobia, transphobia, and purity culture) that some of my religious friends grew up struggling with. At least in the US, atheism is also largely associated with political liberalism and progressive ideals (it's mostly the same crowd), which I think explains the disproportionate amount of atheist/agnostic asexuals - more aces who aren't religious are open to the concept that they might be part of a sexual minority than those who are, and they're more likely to be exposed to LGBT+ narratives that may introduce them to asexuality. The one objection to asexuality I've encountered that comes from an atheist perspective is the claim that through asexuality I am somehow deficient or defying the natural order, specifically regarding the "objective" of reproduction. This is a dumb argument if made as an accusation (anyone who ties morality into evolutionary theory is doing it wrong), but if it's simply an observation, then I'll kind of have to agree - I'm absolutely terrible at replicating my genes. ^_^ Link to post Share on other sites
Apostle of Carlin Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 On religion and asexuality. I've seen a lot of the Christian attitudes towards sex contribute to the idea that people who are asexual are either "posers" or "broken." Christians are taught, from a very young age, that they need to repress their sexuality, until they find a nice guy or girl, go through the dating/courtship rituals, and get married. Once they're married their Christian duty is to "be fruitful and multiply" and raise a new generation of Christians. So I've seen this attitude. "Oh, you're not interested in sex? Yeah right. They tell me to hold off on sex, but it's damned hard! Oh, you're really not interested in sex? You don't even want to get married? You must be broken. There's something wrong with you." Maybe that contributed to my decision to become an atheist. Oh, and the usual disclaimer: not all Christians act like jerks, most of them are nice. Link to post Share on other sites
kdk13 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hi! I'm an asexual feminist atheist! Nice to meet you all! Link to post Share on other sites
Rashkae Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why do people keep adding feminist when they say they're atheist? I don't see what it has to do with being ace or an atheist. I'm not opposed to feminism (at least not most forms of it), but why is there still so much focus on only one gender? By my count there are at least 5 genders, what about the other 4 (granted men have had it pretty goos for centuries but that doesn't mean they aren't discriminated against, usually by the militant man hating types of feminists). I am an Aromantic Asexual Agender Gender Equalist Atheist. It is a pleasure to meet you all. Link to post Share on other sites
Siggy Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why do people keep adding feminist when they say they're atheist? I don't see what it has to do with being ace or an atheist. I'm not opposed to feminism (at least not most forms of it), but why is there still so much focus on only one gender? By my count there are at least 5 genders, what about the other 4 (granted men have had it pretty goos for centuries but that doesn't mean they aren't discriminated against, usually by the militant man hating types of feminists). I am an Aromantic Asexual Agender Gender Equalist Atheist. It is a pleasure to meet you all. When I posted earlier in the thread, I did not say I was a feminist atheist, but maybe I should say it now. Feminism is a fairly important issue for organized atheism. There are feminist atheist groups, and there are non-feminist (I hesitate to say anti-feminist) atheist groups, and everything in between. The feminist ones and non-feminist ones tend not to get along very well. And this is just my personal experience, but I don't think the non-feminist groups are very asexual-friendly. Upthread, I posted a video of a panel I did for FTBCon, an online atheist conference. FTBCon is a feminist atheist conference. I would feel far more uncomfortable doing a panel for any other atheist organization. Link to post Share on other sites
Chemic Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Why do people keep adding feminist when they say they're atheist? I don't see what it has to do with being ace or an atheist. I think people are just adding on everything imaginable for humor. So therefore, I guess it follows that I'm an INTJ heteroromantic asexual feminist egalitarian atheist. Oh, and I'm a shorty :p Anyways, one parent tried to raise me Baptist, the other didn't care, and I never believed any of it and finally came out that I was an atheist to my mom at 13. She threw a tantrum, to put it lightly, but finally accepted it after a few years. I've lost a couple friends over the fact that they were too sensitive to my occasional atheist posts on facebook, but that really just showed me who the intolerant ones were and no tears were shed over them. I understand some need to feel a spiritual connection that something is in control and watching over them, but I don't tolerate plain ignorance (once I, stupidly, got into an argument with one of the now ex-friends who was adamant that humans and dinosaurs lived together and tried to cite a fossil that was proven false as evidence). I generally consider myself a quiet atheist, but will become militant if the occasion calls for it (like when politics try to pass bills that are obviously religious in nature). Link to post Share on other sites
IanH Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 When I posted earlier in the thread, I did not say I was a feminist atheist, but maybe I should say it now. Feminism is a fairly important issue for organized atheism. There are feminist atheist groups, and there are non-feminist (I hesitate to say anti-feminist) atheist groups, and everything in between. The feminist ones and non-feminist ones tend not to get along very well. And this is just my personal experience, but I don't think the non-feminist groups are very asexual-friendly. Upthread, I posted a video of a panel I did for FTBCon, an online atheist conference. FTBCon is a feminist atheist conference. I would feel far more uncomfortable doing a panel for any other atheist organization. I don't know. I'm in the non-feminist atheist group, and I'm asexual friendly. It seems counterproductive to not be asexual friendly if you're an asexual yourself.I'm also LGBT friendly, and would be one of the first to come to the aid of agenders, genderfluids, androgynes, transgenders, etc. if they're being discriminated against. When it comes to gender/sexuality discrimination, I don't tolerate intolerance. I don't see why I'd have to be a feminist to have these views. Also, I think this discussion may be off topic. One of the mods moved the discussion about anti-theism to the philosophy section. They might do the same with this. Link to post Share on other sites
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