Guest Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Fascists are bad, white supremacists are bad, nazis are bad None of this is radical to say, only people act like it is lately. Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Kestrel Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why are people framing this as a Left-Wing Vs. Right-Wing thing anyway? I thought people mentioned that the white supremacists are an extreme group. Unless you all are saying that this white supremacist group are representatives of the RIght-Wingers in general. 14 minutes ago, Ms. Maya the Bee said: Fascists are bad, white supremacists are bad, nazis are bad True. If people actually think that this is up for discussion, I don't even know how... Honestly, UVA was among my list of colleges to transfer to, so this hit a little too close to home. I'm not sure I want to be in an area were white supremacists would chose to rally. I don't think I could feel safe there. Link to post Share on other sites
Polygon Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lady Kestrel said: Honestly, UVA was among my list of colleges to transfer to, so this hit a little too close to home. I'm not sure I want to be in an area were white supremacists would chose to rally. I don't think I could feel safe there. I hope recent events don't dissuade you. This is not representative of Charlottesville, nor UVA. Link to post Share on other sites
HiLit Demi Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think it is too simplistic to simply say that fascists/white supremacists/nazis are bad. We must also qualify how they are bad and why they are bad. If there is a lesson from politics, that we must pay attention to, it is that the left (socialists, communists, etc.) and the right (nazis, alt-righters) gather their support from the same class of people. To which we must likewise remember a quote, which I believe was made by Theodor Adorno, that "behind every fascism there is a failed leftist revolution". One only needs to look at the unsuccessful campaign of Bernie Sanders to the victory of Trump to get a sense of this truth. However, as one might have noticed, Bernie actually gathered quite a lot of support amongst those who ended up voting for Trump and for all the right reasons. To phrase all of the before mentioned people as bad (which they of course are) we might just be re-enforcing that same political-moral arrogance that got Trump elected in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
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Jackninja5 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Saying it's bad isn't radical. It's also important to note that saying communism is bad isn't radical either to remain neutral on both sides of the political spectrum. Link to post Share on other sites
Skipper Valvoline Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 No, not radical, but I think a lot of right-wingers (especially in the skeptic community) are more defensive than normal right now. After the last 2-3 years trying to call attention to violence from the left (Baltimore riots, Dallas, the growing Antifa stuff, etc. etc.) it's their gut reaction. The rhetoric I've seen among skeptic circles is often along the lines of "if a white/conservative did this [whatever activity they're analyzing from the left] the entire nation would go crazy in condemning it". One only needs to look at the reaction to Charlottesville. The problem I have, though, is that while the conservative skeptic circles almost always acknowledge that racism exists and should be held accountable (a disclaimer when dismissing petty complaints, such as the dreadlock-appropriation case) I haven't seen many stepping forward to call out the recent demonstration. If the right claims to be against 'real' racism and things associated with it, then statements should be made criticizing those who were waving the Nazi flag- otherwise it's a dangerous road to hypocrisy. Instead, people are still following the old tactic on exposing the left's violence... when such a tactic may be the wrong one at this time. I'll start. I denounce those who were claiming to be Nazis. I denounce those who were calling for and instigating violence untoward others. I denounce the KKK. I'm for freedom of speech. I'm for the freedom of assembly. I think Boston right now is the perfect example of both of these- you have the freedom of speech to say something and I have the freedom of speech to rebuke you. But if you're going to start violence or encourage it, then you ought to be penalized for it and I denounce you. Because frankly, in my opinion, ignoring Charlottesville's rally to focus almost solely on the counter-protesters is the wrong move because it comes across as defending the far-right extremists (or at least giving them a free pass). Does the right really need that kind of publicity right now? Break the perceived association to the extremists and leave their cause to flounder and die on its own. Link to post Share on other sites
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Yatogami Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Even beyond the skeptic community, many REAL modern Alt-right (huge difference between old and new) spoke out against the violence. Link to post Share on other sites
Kelpie Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I think the recent "free speech!!!!" movement stems from the fact that people get called out as bad and can't handle this. So yeah, it's controversial for them because they want to live their happy life discriminating others without getting backlash. Link to post Share on other sites
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Mostly Peaceful Ryan Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Saying Nazis are bad isn't radical, it's common sense. Link to post Share on other sites
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