Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/charlottesville-far-right-crowd-with-torches-encircles-counter-protest-group Quote Hundreds of far-right demonstrators wielded torches as they marched on to the University of Virginia campus in Charlottesville on Friday night and reportedly attacked a much smaller group of counter-protesters who had linked arms around a statue of Thomas Jefferson. Starting at a municipal park less than a mile away, “alt-right” protesters who have gathered for the weekend Unite the Right rally marched in a long column over the short distance to the campus, chanting slogans like “You will not replace us” and “Blood and soil”. When the marchers reached and surrounded the counter-protesters there was a short verbal confrontation. Counter-protesters claimed they were then attacked with swung torches, pepper spray and lighter fluid. Quote Emily Gorcenski, who shared several live videos of the event, was among the protesters who said they were hit with the mace spray. “[They] completely surrounded us and wouldn’t let us out.” She said police did not intervene until long after the rightwing marchers had struck out at protesters. “I saw hundreds of people chanting Nazi slogans and police do nothing.” Quote In an interview, West said: “The crypto-fascists, the neofascists, the neo-Nazis now feel so empowered, not just by Trump but by the whole shift in the nation towards scapegoats. “I don’t like this talk about ‘alt-right’, that’s an unnecessary abstraction. These are neofascists in contemporary garb.” Link to post Share on other sites
ChillaKilla Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 B-but only BLM is violent!!!1! /sarcasm Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, ChillaKilla said: B-but only BLM is violent!!!1! /sarcasm Is BLM even still a thing? I've not heard anything about them in a while. Link to post Share on other sites
ChillaKilla Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Yato said: Is BLM even still a thing? I've not heard anything about them in a while. Yeah. And guess what? They've been supporting the family of the white woman who was shot by a black police officer (think it was back in July). ALM was decidedly silent on it. You seemingly only comment on them when riots happen so it's little wonder you haven't heard anything... Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, ChillaKilla said: Yeah. And guess what? They've been supporting the family of the white woman who was shot by a black police officer (think it was back in July). ALM was decidedly silent on it. You seemingly only comment on them when riots happen so it's little wonder you haven't heard anything... Even the Left wasn't reporting in them though. At least what I seen. I've honestly been busy the last few months as well, so no time for following politics as much apart from radio. Link to post Share on other sites
Toothlesss Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence Quote Charlottesville: car runs into crowd amid violence at planned far-right protest A car ran into a group of people in Charlottesville, Virginia, where there have been violent clashes between far-right nationalists and counter-protesters. Several people are injured, and footage showed the vehicle crashing into another car, throwing people over the top of it. The photographer Pat Jarrett, who was close by when the incident took place, told the Guardian: “A gray Dodge Charger ploughed into a sedan and then into a mini-van. Bodies flew. People were terrified and screaming. Those closest to it said it was definitely a violent attack. The driver, who people later described as a skinny white guy with a straggly beard, reversed out of there and drove off, the front-end of his car all smashed up.” Link to post Share on other sites
ThaHoward Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's pretty weird, it's a state of emergency there now. Also heard on local radio someone saying he voted for Trump and have seen no change, so now they're gonna take their country back. The radio lady said "take it back from who?" Fortunately I left the area in Virginia where it happened for DC. Now we can see results of the rethorics Trump played with and legitimized.. Link to post Share on other sites
erf Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I strongly dislike groups like the Alt-Right, BLM, antifa and others violent groups like this they all think they are doing things for the better but they're just making it worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Polygon Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Fucking disgusting. Why Charlottesville of all places? It's such a nice area, and I've had the pleasure of seeing it myself a few times. Trump with the "on many sides", as if it was unclear who caused the majority of the violence. Slimy move. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Alt-Right is not a "Group" its just anything thats not Republican. It's a buzzword. Though some adopted it the label, it doesn't reflect a specific ideology. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Alt right doesn't mean "anything that isn't republican"... (by that definition all leftists would be alt-right, lol) it is mostly neo-fascists, like I quoted in the original post Quote In an interview, West said: “The crypto-fascists, the neofascists, the neo-Nazis now feel so empowered, not just by Trump but by the whole shift in the nation towards scapegoats. “I don’t like this talk about ‘alt-right’, that’s an unnecessary abstraction. These are neofascists in contemporary garb.” maybe we should stop using the phrase "alt-right" and just call them neofascists. Link to post Share on other sites
ChillaKilla Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Truck ran over counterprotestors- 1 dead, 19 injured Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I'm considered part of the "Alt-right", but I am not a "Neo-fascist". It's a buzzword designed to delegitimize any reasonable protest against leftist ideology. Does being pro-gay marriage, equal opportunity, but being against Socialism and Communism make me a Fascist? I don't think so. Fascism is authoritarian, and does not allow free speech, questioning, or disagreement. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 What you identify as doesn't matter, this topic is about violence committed by neo-fascists. Link to post Share on other sites
Binary_fiction Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Such a fucked up country. This makes me so angry... These people were so proud to fight the nazi in ww2 only to embrace them 70 years later... So many reason why I won't be going to the USA until Trump is removed from is position, hopefully sooner than later. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Stop the world, I want to get off. Link to post Share on other sites
Binary_fiction Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Yato said: I'm considered part of the "Alt-right", but I am not a "Neo-fascist". It's a buzzword designed to delegitimize any reasonable protest against leftist ideology. Does being pro-gay marriage, equal opportunity, but being against Socialism and Communism make me a Fascist? I don't think so. Fascism is authoritarian, and does not allow free speech, questioning, or disagreement. Don't make this about yourself, no one is pointing at you right now and no one called you this way. You are making yourself into an alt-right when you aren't. Alt-right are those people right now doing nazi salutes and thinking that only white people, predominantly Christians should be allowed to stay in USA. Also alt-right are notoriously homophobic/transphobic/racist/antisemite and any other form of discrimination you can probably think of, which I don't think you represent here. It's not about socialism and capitalism here, it's about discrimination and violence. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So all right wing people are Neo-fascists now? The rally wasn't done by "Neo-fascists" it was done by the Alt-Right. Someone claiming something happened isn't proof. Are you going to talk about Antifa violence against the peaceful free speech protests too? Link to post Share on other sites
Kelpie Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Yato said: I'm considered part of the "Alt-right", but I am not a "Neo-fascist". It's a buzzword designed to delegitimize any reasonable protest against leftist ideology. Does being pro-gay marriage, equal opportunity, but being against Socialism and Communism make me a Fascist? I don't think so. Fascism is authoritarian, and does not allow free speech, questioning, or disagreement. Dude, people are dying and you are making this about your identity? Why? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Yato said: So all right wing people are Neo-fascists now? The rally wasn't done by "Neo-fascists" it was done by the Alt-Right. Someone claiming something happened isn't proof. Are you going to talk about Antifa violence against the peaceful free speech protests too? You're the only one saying that. and yes, it was done by neo-fascists, and there is proof of this, there are images video, articles. People have been injured and died. Violence against peaceful is wrong whoever does it. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ms. Maya the Bee said: You're the only one saying that. and yes, it was done by neo-fascists, and there is proof of this, there are images video, articles. People have been injured and died. Violence against peaceful is wrong whoever does it. And I don't disagree, but I have a feeling the News is labeling the wrong group as the perpetrators like they always do. Why call them the Alt right if they are Neo-nazis? Totally different groups. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, Kelpie said: Dude, people are dying and you are making this about your identity? Why? I'm expressing my concern for the disinformation presented in this. Everyone is making it out like these don't happen frequently, and this is some kind of brand new atrocity. It is apparently only news worthy and "Scary" when the "Right" is doing the protesting. But when Antifa goes on riots, beats people to death, and destroys property, its acceptable, and they blame Trump's rhetoric for making them angry. So you can say I am a bit angry about people being all angry about this situation. Since no one seems to have gave any care about the riots that have been happening off and on since Trump's election where the Left was "Protesting". Yes, it is sad when people die, but this isn't something new that has never happened before. Also note that I was talking about the first article, and didn't see the 2nd one yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Binary_fiction Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Yato said: And I don't disagree, but I have a feeling the News is labeling the wrong group as the perpetrators like they always do. Why call them the Alt right if they are Neo-nazis? Totally different groups. Alt right are not right wing here is what they are: "The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism, principally in the United States." If I may translate for you... they are white supremacist... Are you a white supremacist? If you aren't, then you aren't "alt right". You can be a conservative, republican or whatever you want but maybe it's you who got the wrong definition of what alt right is right now. Please stop making this into a bigger dea than it is, if you want to call them neo nazi, I will agree with you but let's stop playing on the semantics of words and what is what. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Yato said: Alt-Right is not a "Group" 10 minutes ago, Yato said: Why call them the Alt right if they are Neo-nazis? Totally different groups. looks like there is a contradiction And "alt-right" was involved but like I said, I'm calling them neo-fascists now Quote The Unite the Right Rally is a gathering of alt-right, white nationalist and far-right groups in Charlottesville, Virginia, protesting the removal of Confederate monuments and memorials from public spaces, specifically the Robert Edward Lee Sculpture in Emancipation Park.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Unite_the_Right_Rally Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Binary_fiction said: Alt right are not right wing here is what they are: "The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism, principally in the United States." If I may translate for you... they are white supremacist... Are you a white supremacist? If you aren't, then you aren't "alt right". You can be a conservative, republican or whatever you want but maybe it's you who got the wrong definition of what alt right is right now. Please stop making this into a bigger dea than it is, if you want to cal them bro nazi, I will agree with you but let's stop playing on the semantics of words and what is what. Pretty easy change the definition to suit your needs, of something you made up to smear your competition to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites
Binary_fiction Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Yato said: Pretty easy change the definition to suit your needs, of something you made up to smear your competition to begin with. Here, have the link to the definition if you want to call me a liar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ms. Maya the Bee said: looks like there is a contradiction And "alt-right" was involved but like I said, I'm calling them neo-fascists now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Unite_the_Right_Rally Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source since it can be written by literally anyone, and changed. Alt-right isn't a group, but people still reference the Alt-right as one group despite it being many different groups. So its applicable in both contexts. I was speaking within the context of the person I was responding to as well, which refers to the Alt-right as one group. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Binary_fiction said: Here, have the link to the definition if you want to call me a liar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source of valid information. Link to post Share on other sites
Kelpie Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Yato said: I'm expressing my concern for the disinformation presented in this. Everyone is making it out like these don't happen frequently, and this is some kind of brand new atrocity. It is apparently only news worthy and "Scary" when the "Right" is doing the protesting. But when Antifa goes on riots, beats people to death, and destroys property, its acceptable I don't know where you live but trust me the G20 in Hamburg was ALL OVER THE PLACE and everyone was talking about it. Literally every newspaper and every news site in Germany. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I don't condone violence against anyone, and when it happens it is tragic. But the amount of disinformation to paint one side the bad guy is disgusting, and offensive to me. So what if they have a different ideology. They have every right to rally just like anyone else. Just leave protesters alone, and no violence will usually happen. Besides, violence only promotes them on the news. So even counter protesting just escalates the situation into a riot. The Mainstream Media doesn't report on Right wing rallies, unless there are counter protesters to begin with, and a lot of the time i've seen them go just to cause problems, to start a riot to prove that the Right wing guys are the bad guys. I find that tragic and sad. They did it at Trump rallies too. Link to post Share on other sites
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