Yatogami Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Buying a car new, makes no sense to me either. Especially considering how rapidly they depreciate. I'd rather get a year or two old vehicle, and get tens of thousands off the sticker price. Buy it outright, and drive it into the ground. I maintain my vehicle meticulously, so can easily get a decade out of one. With the money saved, get another one when it starts costing you more in maintenance, than its worth. Get a reliable car/brand, and you'll be fine. Quality depends on brand, and more specifically model. Japanese cars, and old af american are the best cars one can own if they are taken care of. Most people don't know how though, or are stupid and neglectful. The last car I owned I sold at 285,000 miles. It was a very loved 97' CR-V. I sold it for 300 to a mechanic whom was going to restore the transmission and breaks on it. That was all that was wrong with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Ortac Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Anthracite_Impreza said: ... driving is the most fun thing you can do (with or without clothes on)... Oh no it isn't! Cycling is! Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ortac said: Oh no it isn't! Cycling is! The only thing cyclists are good for is target practice. Link to post Share on other sites
daveb Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, Anthracite_Impreza said: The only thing cyclists are good for is target practice. That's not funny. Speaking as a sometime target. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Most people don't know how though, or are stupid and neglectful. A lot of it is common sense. Moving parts eventually wear out. If you don't have any, you shouldn't be driving. Kind of like that person that rides their brakes downhill, then wonders why there is premature wear or over heating. I just never understood our need to fit in to the tune of going hundreds of thousands in debt to achieve it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 That's not funny. Speaking as a sometime target. I have been hit by two cars. I follow all rules down to the protective gear. However, an equally high volume of entitled and idiotic cyclists out there. If I am turning right at an intersection, I should not have to check my side mirror for speeding bikes. I however know to look for them, being a cyclist. Common sense goes a long way. Link to post Share on other sites
daveb Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I'm not talking about accidents. I'm talking about deliberate targeting. (not necessarily with intent to hit me with the car itself, but to harass and intimidate by hurling insults, eggs, and other non-lethal actions). Link to post Share on other sites
fuzzipueo Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, daveb said: I'm not talking about accidents. I'm talking about deliberate targeting. (not necessarily with intent to hit me with the car itself, but to harass and intimidate by hurling insults, eggs, and other non-lethal actions). So wrong. We have Ghost Bikes all over town marking where cyclists have been killed in traffic. Though Albuquerque has one of the best cycling trails in the country currently, there are still places where riding your bike is a very dangerous prospect. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Perspektiv said: If I am turning right at an intersection, I should not have to check my side mirror for speeding bikes. Yeah. Especially since there's a growing number of cyclists in Seattle who claim they shouldn't have to stop at stoplights or stop signs, because it's inconvenient to stop when you're on a bike. So they just speed up on your right and power through the intersection. If you turn right into them, it's your fault. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 If you turn right into them, it's your fault. I think this should be seen as natural selection. The tragedy is the motorist who lives with this for the rest of their lives. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Perspektiv said: A lot of it is common sense. Moving parts eventually wear out. If you don't have any, you shouldn't be driving. Kind of like that person that rides their brakes downhill, then wonders why there is premature wear or over heating. I just never understood our need to fit in to the tune of going hundreds of thousands in debt to achieve it. You should not be measureing things annually. You will depress yourself on how much more you spend on things like food, than you do vehicles etc. Both are almost equal for survival for most Americans. Besides, once you pay off your car. Its more or less the same cost of a cell phone. Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 hours ago, daveb said: That's not funny. Speaking as a sometime target. *shrugs* 50 points per cyclist, they're a good way to boost your hit rate. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 As a pedestrian I have a fear of cyclists, I've almost been hit by them too many times and I get scared from just seeing them ride near me (also I never learned to ride a bike) Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You should not be measureing things annually. You will depress yourself on how much more you spend on things like food, than you do vehicles etc. How else would you budget? You budget on annual costs. Also, via cumulative costs, accrued over a period of time. Once you pay off your car, it has little to no value on the market, however if its well maintained--its costing you next to nil to operate it. You're not stuck with monthly costs. Link to post Share on other sites
Skycaptain Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 OK, folks. We agree that there is open warfare between cyclists and car drivers. As someone who drives for a living and cycles as a hobby I see both sides of this. The majority of all road users obey reasonable rules, and consider other road users. There are an idiot minority on both sides who treat the rule of the road with contempt. We understand that, and likewise understand that this can be an emotive subject. However can we please remember AVEN ToS when discussing this. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: How else would you budget? You budget on annual costs. Also, via cumulative costs, accrued over a period of time. Once you pay off your car, it has little to no value on the market, however if its well maintained--its costing you next to nil to operate it. You're not stuck with monthly costs. Budget monthly, because unexpected things happen. You are kinda making the argument you should not do something because it costs money. Link to post Share on other sites
iff Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 19 hours ago, Ms. Maya the Bee said: I drove a go kart once and crashed terribly... I had panic and accidentally pressed down fully on accelerate instead of break... I'm scared of that happening in a car situation as well as many other issues so I don't have any plan to drive... I did go karts once, I crashed 3 times and that's without taking a corner. I have a mild disability so there is an effect on my coordination so I can't drive. Cycling, walking, lifts to nearest town and bus are my main ways to get to places. Link to post Share on other sites
Snao Cone Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Maou-sama said: You should not be measureing things annually. You will depress yourself on how much more you spend on things like food, than you do vehicles etc. Food is important. As is housing. I don't see why it should be depressing to look at how much one spends on these things. Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Who measures how much their car costs? I don't care how much mine cost, I've spent over a thousand just on repairs for Clutch, and a few hundred on Blitz, and that's not counting general upkeep, petrol, tuning etc. I wouldn't track how much I've spent on my snails or dog; they need caring for and that's what they'll get. Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 My income is like...10k a year so yeah, I'm sticking to freeloading in the family's vehicle and walking. Don't get me wrong, I love cars but...I ain't got the slightest interest in driving one. There's things I just stay clear of for personal reasons and driving is one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Snao Cone Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Anthracite_Impreza said: Who measures how much their car costs? I don't care how much mine cost, I've spent over a thousand just on repairs for Clutch, and a few hundred on Blitz, and that's not counting general upkeep, petrol, tuning etc. I wouldn't track how much I've spent on my snails or dog; they need caring for and that's what they'll get. Personally, I'm very happy to be able to save that money, or spend it on myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Snao Çoñé said: Personally, I'm very happy to be able to save that money, or spend it on myself. It's like people have preferences, and can choose how to live or something. At the end of the day, if someone enjoys doing something/prefers to do something one way. No one has the right to tell them they are dumb, or shouldn't because they don't agree with how that person spends their money. That is the beauty of capitalism. Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 @Maou-sama did someone say....capitalism? *wrinkles nose* Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 There is no beauty in capitalism, there is beauty in a happy, healthy car though. Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, Anthracite_Impreza said: There is no beauty in capitalism, there is beauty in a happy, healthy car though. ^ This ^ Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 @Retrobot @Anthracite_Impreza Have you both forgotten, that Capitalism is what made cars cheap and affordable, and a global phenomena? Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Maou-sama said: @Retrobot @Anthracite_Impreza Have you both forgotten, that Capitalism is what made cars cheap and affordable, and a global phenomena? *cough* And also destroyed the planet and human society *cough* Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 "affordable"? Pffft hahaha. Food is barely affordable for me, I can't even save up enough to see my cardiologist. Link to post Share on other sites
Anthracite_Impreza Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Retrobot said: "affordable"? Pffft hahaha. Food is barely affordable for me, I can't even save up enough to see my cardiologist. Another excellent point there; the unimaginabley huge wealth gap is directly due to capitalism and 'trickle down' economics (which is of course a load of balls). Link to post Share on other sites
RK800 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Anthracite_Impreza said: Another excellent point there; the unimaginabley huge wealth gap is directly due to capitalism and 'trickle down' economics (which is of course a load of balls). > and before "BUT THAT'S CORPORATISM NOT CAPITALISM" Link to post Share on other sites
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