Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Serran said: Just a note: The term fake news and using it as a way to combat news stories has been around since the 1890s. Neither side coined the term, but both sides use it. It was not abused until the Trump election either. Where they called perfectly legitimate stories "Fake news" because they didn't like it. Then the Right started to do it back to the Liberals. Liberals were the ones that started abusing it first. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest And Peggy Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 hours ago, YoNanna said: Why do liberals throw around "hate speech" every time they hear something they dont like? because most of the time it is hate speech Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 The term "fake news" first popped up shortly after the election as the Dems and the MSM were frantically searching for reasons why Hillary lost, even though it was her turn. One of the first "explanations" they came up with was that "fake news" spread on Facebook confused people into voting for Trump. See: http://imgur.com/a/ey7Fu http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/04/03/522503844/how-russian-twitter-bots-pumped-out-fake-news-during-the-2016-electionhttp://archive.is/cRzhuhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/viral-fake-election-news-outperformed-real-news-on-facebook?utm_term=.eqxDdzDX#.kj8mG1mXhttp://archive.is/MM1Z9http://www.newstatesman.com/world/2016/11/did-fake-news-facebook-swing-us-electionhttp://archive.is/ECHnJhttp://www.businessinsider.com/fake-presidential-election-news-viral-facebook-trump-clinton-2016-11http://archive.is/GvisT Note how all the above stories date to recently after Nov 9, when the MSM was still scrambling for a narrative to explain why all their predictions and forecasts were flat-out wrong for the past 2 years. Then things reached a whole new level when WaPo released the following story, which was based on a group of anonymous "researchers" that called themselves "ProporNot" who apparently didn't even exist until after Nov 9. This group, among other things, claimed that Breitbart, Infowars, and even the fucking Ron Paul institute were engaged in disseminating propaganda for the Russian government:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.htmlhttp://archive.is/LuAVh Although most major newspapers panned the WaPo article, nonetheless, the MSM began shifting away from confining the term "fake news" to only include obvious faceberg-tier clickbait, and started to apply the label to all non-mainstream news sources Then, in around April, all the MSM sites started cheering for Facebook to crack down on "fake news" (read: news from places other than the MSM).http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/facebook-to-fight-fake-news-groups.htmlhttp://archive.is/iA14nhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-06/facebook-starts-to-educate-users-on-how-to-spot-fake-newshttp://archive.is/6wiN2http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/04/14/facebook-rolls-out-features-to-curb-fake-news.htmlhttp://archive.is/82PHphttp://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-how-to-spot-fake-news-2017-4http://archive.is/rOJTT Notice how all the above articles are dated in April: a coordinated attack by the MSM to silence all competing news sources that contradicted their narrative. It was around this time when conservatives decided that enough is enough and turned the term around to attack the MSM. In Conservative hands, the term has been super effective. So effective, in fact, that the MSM is sorry they ever came up with the term and now just wants it to go away. See:https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/its-time-to-retire-the-tainted-term-fake-news/2017/01/06/a5a7516c-d375-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.htmlhttp://archive.is/sG9DR So, that's the story in a nutshell. MSM invented the term to discredit their competitors and excuse Clinton from the blame for her own loss, and then it got used against them hard, much to their chagrin. Official Fact checkers also spread fake news, and are unreliable in a whole. http://imgur.com/a/m9IPn The Fact checker with the "Rating system" is also completly run by opinions. The "Liar" detector graph, is completly fake. Note how this one was proven to be right, but they kept it on "Mostly false" Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly Peaceful Ryan Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Kisa the Cat said: You know I really wish people knew the difference between real news and fake news. CNN is real news Fake news is something like Breitbart or youtube videos without sources. In short, not everything on the internet is true. I disagree with your assessment on fake news. I think it depends on the article or story we are talking about. For example I found out about Kathy Griffin's "joke" through a youtuber and then went and fact checked it. It just depends on. CNN isn't perfect, Breitbart isn't perfect, fox news isn't perfect, that is why you have to have more then one news outlet to get an accurate picture of what is going on in the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Another example of CNN's fake news. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 It's very hypocritical of you to share fake news from one organisation but criticize others for it Note: I'm not from America so I don't even know much or care about CNN Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 34 minutes ago, Maou-sama said: Another example of CNN's fake news. unrelated but I tried to find that tweet for verification but there's too many anti trump tweets to scroll through over the monthes since, and then when i google it fox news and breitbart are acting like she is pro trump, hmm... I guess that's some more fake news examples Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, Mystic Maya said: unrelated but I tried to find that tweet for verification but there's too many anti trump tweets to scroll through over the monthes since, and then when i google it fox news and breitbart are acting like she is pro trump, hmm... I guess that's some more fake news examples She has long since deleted the tweet, it did take place months ago so you didn't find it. I did however, find an archive link. https://twitter.com/NancySinatra/status/822212248881876993 (Original dead link) https://archive.is/UdoKW (Archive) Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, Maou-sama said: She has long since deleted the tweet, it did take place months ago so you didn't find it. I did however, find an archive link. https://twitter.com/NancySinatra/status/822212248881876993 (Original dead link) https://archive.is/UdoKW (Archive) I guess the more important part is what statement cnn based their article on or... meh, finding it hard to care *yawn* Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mystic Maya said: I guess the more important part is what statement cnn based their article on or... meh, finding it hard to care *yawn* Why are you even in this thread? I don't take kindly to "Im too lazy to think" attitudes. Google it yourself. Im not your slave, it isn't hard. All Sinatra said was "Im not excited" that was it. That doesn't give CNN the right to say she was unhappy or upset. PERIOD. Link to post Share on other sites
iff Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 This is mediaite's article with the original http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-never-said-that-nancy-sinatra-calls-out-cnn-for-saying-shes-unhappy-with-trump-using-my-way/ CNN updated their original article to include Nancy Sinatra's response to the article that she was joking and not warning http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/nancy-sinatra-donald-trump-my-way/ Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, iff said: This is mediaite's article with the original http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-never-said-that-nancy-sinatra-calls-out-cnn-for-saying-shes-unhappy-with-trump-using-my-way/ CNN updated their original article to include Nancy Sinatra's response to the article that she was joking and not warning >Caught in a lie >Spins the story to save some face Yeah, sure makes them more credible. Nancy probably got slews of death threats and the works from anti-Trump people. So to save herself from harrassment and various other evils. She flipped the whole thing around. She was not telling a "Joke". Anyone with any braincells, that is in the public eye knows, not to oppose MSM and or other big organizations. Because their careers would be over in a heart beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Tanwen Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 They could have said that the Rolling Stones and Adele told Trump to stop using their music at his rallies - that was true Link to post Share on other sites
Kelpie Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Maou-sama said: The term "fake news" first popped up shortly after the election as the Dems and the MSM were frantically searching for reasons why Hillary lost, even though it was her turn. One of the first "explanations" they came up with was that "fake news" spread on Facebook confused people into voting for Trump. Just because a new term was coined doesn't mean that the phenomenon wasn't there before. Not to be the one who summons Godwin's law, but the term "Lügenpresse" (lying press) has been around since Hitler, very successfully so. It has always been a very powerful tool, but thanks to the internet we can now verify a lot of stuff from the comfort of our own couch. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Kelpie said: Just because a new term was coined doesn't mean that the phenomenon wasn't there before. Not to be the one who summons Godwin's law, but the term "Lügenpresse" (lying press) has been around since Hitler, very successfully so. It has always been a very powerful tool, but thanks to the internet we can now verify a lot of stuff from the comfort of our own couch. IT didn't become a main stream thing until the media pushed its agenda. Did you not look at googles search term history image I linked? Link to post Share on other sites
Kelpie Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Maou-sama said: IT didn't become a main stream thing until the media pushed its agenda. Did you not look at googles search term history image I linked? Did you not read what I said? Just because this specific TERM is new, doesn't mean the thing itself is. Names change. "Fake news" aren't new. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Kelpie said: Did you not read what I said? Just because this specific TERM is new, doesn't mean the thing itself is. Names change. "Fake news" aren't new. I never said it was, and if you read my other posts. I stated that its been around forever, its only just now suddenly a problem according to the news. My point was, that the resent trend in "Fake news" was pushed by the Liberals, and was an intentional subversion tactic, initiated by the mainstream media. 4 hours ago, Maou-sama said: Liberals created the term "fake news" to counter the steam the right was gaining during the election of Trump. Trying to claim its the reason Trump won. Its solely a tactic to disrupt information that the average person knows. Real "Fake news" has been around forever, and has never been an issue before. Nor has the amount increased, as is pretty obvious to anyone with two brain cells whats fake. But by creating the narrative that fake news is rampant, they are capable of countering any legitimate argument without actual proof by simply claiming its fake. Link to post Share on other sites
YoNanna Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, Mystic Maya said: meh, finding it hard to care *yawn* Apathy is not cute on anyone Link to post Share on other sites
iff Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Maou-sama said: Yeah, sure makes them more credible. Nancy probably got slews of death threats and the works from anti-Trump people. So to save herself from harrassment and various other evils. She flipped the whole thing around. She was not telling a "Joke". Anyone with any braincells, that is in the public eye knows, not to oppose MSM and or other big organizations. Because their careers would be over in a heart beat. i'm reading it differently that her original tweet cnn considered it as a warning to trump, then she told them that the tweet about remember the first line in my way was not a warning but a joke about the use of the song my way. though before the election, nancy sinatra had some tweets about trump https://twitter.com/nancysinatra/status/785726226593787904 https://twitter.com/NancySinatra/status/793523926001340416 https://twitter.com/nancysinatra/status/773683730548400128 so it is understandable in that context to see why people might not have thought her line "remember the first line" was serious and not a joke as there had been examples from her twitter of criticism of trump Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 hours ago, ♣Ryan♣ said: I disagree with your assessment on fake news. I think it depends on the article or story we are talking about. For example I found out about Kathy Griffin's "joke" through a youtuber and then went and fact checked it. It just depends on. CNN isn't perfect, Breitbart isn't perfect, fox news isn't perfect, that is why you have to have more then one news outlet to get an accurate picture of what is going on in the world. No I know what you mean and that's why I said "without sources". I get a lot of news from Phillip Defranco but he links his sources in every video. I just don't like "hey this happened believe me because I'm on the interwebz". I try to find multiple sources as well but for youtube I tend to prefer when they tell me where they got the information from. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Maou-sama said: Nancy probably got slews of death threats and the works from anti-Trump people. Good heavens, I can't imagine how any anti-Trump people (or pro-Trump people, for that matter) would CARE about what Nancy Sinatra said. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sally said: Good heavens, I can't imagine how any anti-Trump people (or pro-Trump people, for that matter) would CARE about what Nancy Sinatra said. You are apparently unaware how social media works. IT doesn't matter who you are, or what you believe. Link to post Share on other sites
YoNanna Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 9 hours ago, And Peggy said: why do conservatives throw around "fake news" every time they see something they don't like Well a lot of the time it is fake news Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, YoNanna said: Well a lot of the time it is fake news It is true, most all the stories coming out of MSM is substantially inaccurate, misleading and almost pure lies. But then when people criticize them for lying, they try to claim it is an assault on free speech and freedom of the press. Like, no it is not. That requires the government banning it, or creating regulations on what can be said. Everyone has the right to tell people to shut up for being ass hats and fear mongers. Yes, even the president. So what is a viewer to do, wanting to get the right answer? They don't. They just eat up what ever they see as truth, even if it contradicts each other. The average viewer doesn't care. Why think, when someone can tell you the answer? I find a substantial amount of "intelligent" people, who only hold opinions strongly because their media has those opinions. Most people can't even come to their own conclusions based on evidence. They simply watch people they like, and regurgitate those opinions. Link to post Share on other sites
YoNanna Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Maou-sama said: They simply watch people they like, and regurgitate those opinions. ^That right there is what I just don't get about people. How can people be so willing to accept what they are told with no skepticism whatsoever? Its not just the media either. College professors propogate a lot of BS Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 23 minutes ago, YoNanna said: ^That right there is what I just don't get about people. How can people be so willing to accept what they are told with no skepticism whatsoever? Its not just the media either. College professors propogate a lot of BS Most people are taught to listen, and dont ask questions or think critically of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 hours ago, YoNanna said: Apathy is not cute on anyone Looking cute on Aven is not anywhere on my list of priorities Nor is caring about such a minor thing like who is happy or not about a song being played lol Also America politics are getting so oversaturated online, the whole world is sick of it. Link to post Share on other sites
YoNanna Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mystic Maya said: Also America politics are getting so oversaturated online, the whole world is sick of it. It sounds like youre applying your personal opinion about American politics to everyone else. I'm not sick of it. If you don't like politics, then stay out of threads that are obviously political Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Maou-sama said: It is true, most all the stories coming out of MSM is substantially inaccurate, misleading and almost pure lies. But then when people criticize them for lying, they try to claim it is an assault on free speech and freedom of the press. Like, no it is not. That requires the government banning it, or creating regulations on what can be said. Everyone has the right to tell people to shut up for being ass hats and fear mongers. Yes, even the president. So what is a viewer to do, wanting to get the right answer? They don't. They just eat up what ever they see as truth, even if it contradicts each other. The average viewer doesn't care. Why think, when someone can tell you the answer? I find a substantial amount of "intelligent" people, who only hold opinions strongly because their media has those opinions. Most people can't even come to their own conclusions based on evidence. They simply watch people they like, and regurgitate those opinions. You use a lot of "they" in your post. That's stereotyping. There is no "they"; there are certain people with certain opinions and beliefs. Name them. Link to post Share on other sites
YoNanna Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sally said: You use a lot of "they" in your post. That's stereotyping. no it isnt Link to post Share on other sites
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