UK general election June 8th

[Guest Jetsun Milarepa]

On the Scottish front, I think the SNP's popularity stems from the fact that Scotland is a socialist area and every time in the recent past that Scotland has overwhelmingly voted Labour , they end up getting a Tory government, so the best way of getting a socialist win is to separate and then do a UKIP on the SNP. After independence, there would be no need at all for the SNP, as their remit would have been met, much like Brexit had neutralised Farage.

 

That's just my take on it, I'm not voting at all, because I don't think UK is actually a democracy, nor has it ever been. when 1 million people can descend on parliament, protesting about a war, then they get ignored, that's not democracy. I remember going on a Free Tibet march, when we were courting China trade deals, in 1999 and my daughter tagged along. she was very impressed by it all, but I reminded her that 'as a democracy, we have the right to protest, and they have the right to ignore us'.

[Perkins]

In my area, support for the SNP has dropped. Not by much, they'll still claim victory over Scotland, but this whole brexit indyref thing is actually hurting them. They're education record is really biting them in the ass right now, they've failed our current generation of school kids (that's coming from someone that works in a school). Unless England really messes up and makes us hate them again, the SNP has peaked for now. But they will still win. I just don't think we'll have independence.

It's hard because Wesminster parties are being judged by their scottish partner's performance and vice versa. Are people voting for Jeremy Corbyn or Kezia Dugdale, Ruth Davidson or Theresa May? My friend is voting Green because she likes Patrick Harvie, but he's Scot Greens not the Greens.

The parties in each country really don't look united, because Scotland and England have different issues that take focus. Strictly speaking, yeah, the Tory government in Westminster doesn't work for us. I think the leaders should have more of a presence in Scotland instead of it just being their scottish counterparts.

[Gem0000]

Please read below before deciding;

 

This is the first time in a long time we have had a true politician.
He has not changed his principles or values in the last 30 years.

The media have been after him, his own team have been after him... I'm not good with expressing my words but one thing I can tell you is... you can kiss the NHS good bye if they stay in power.

Below is a article that have gone viral that expresses my thoughts and feelings;

(Copy and paste the below article and send it to everyone)

Here’s what I’m really struggling to understand. All I’ve ever heard from people, for years, is:

“bloody bankers and their bonuses”
“bloody rich and their offshore tax havens “
“bloody politicians with their lying and second homes”
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
“bloody Establishment, they’re all in it together”
“it’ll never change, there’s no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that’s different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I’ve never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don’t do the live debate, he’ll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with:

“she’s strong and stable”
“he’s a clown”
“he’s not a leader”
“look he can’t even control his own party”
“he’ll ruin the economy”
“how’s he gonna pay for it all?!”
“he’s a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We’ve waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we’ve read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we’ve came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven’t, we haven’t come up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they’re repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

“he’s a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she’s strong and stable”
“he’ll take us back to the 70s”

And there’s nothing else, there’s no further opinion. There’s no evidence apart from one radio 5 interview that isn’t even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There’s no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he’s a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn’t done anything clownish from what I’ve seen.

And you’re not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren’t all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who’s quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who’s currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don’t have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn’t be if my personal fortune was at risk, I’d be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here’s a man, a politician that doesn’t lie and can’t lie. He could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn’t. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He’s fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That’s one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there’s some borrowing but that’s just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don’t even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, screw them, it’s long overdue. #VoteLabour #ForTheManyNotTheFew !


Ps;
I would like to add this is our one chance to work as a country to get things right.
Do not watste your vote and encourage others to use their vote.

Just think how hard it is now to get access to services in NHS and the long waiting periods. Soon you will have to pay... how are we working people going to afford private healthcare. Useing the rails is expensive enough.
University fees, who can afford that? Not the average person. Not that matters anyway, because the education system is so poor that future generations won't even get a decent education to be able to apply for uni. The rich are getting richer, while the working class sitting in pubs or standing in outside school gates complaining.
Let's fix up and say enough is enough.


Please please please read labour manifesto. 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 11:42 AM, Thea2 said:

Is there a party  that wants to reverse Brexit?

I think.... I think Lib Dem!

 

double check!

 

vote labour though!

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 1:08 PM, Gay Owl said:

I can't fucking stand this country.

 

Labour are a such a mess, they don't stand a chance. Easy win for tories. They'll probably get more seats than last time, same with UKIP.

Come on Gary!!!! That's the media telling you the Labour Party is in a mess. Jeremy is unmovable... they have thrown everything at him.... he is the normal people PM, where May is the Rich people PM.

 

vote labour... let's now mess this one up for our selfs!

 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 1:13 PM, October Country said:

@Gay Owl My only hope for the general election, is that UKIP don't make any gains, they are insufferable 

 

The last time I voted the UKIP representative was stood outside the polling station looking smug. I was left thinking "where the hell did I move to?"

 

 

I personally would have vote for the UKIP if they had put that money to NHS like they said. Something needs to be done with these lying politicians. 

They have their houses, income and can afford private medical care. They don't care who is in power. It doesn't effect them. 

It's not fair for the rich to be paying wAs tax then a cleaner. 

Thats why they hate Jeremy, he is going to make sure they get Tax. 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 2:33 PM, Sutaomiiru said:

When 52 % out of 72 % of your people vote to leave the EU, while most of the capital, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Gibraltar wants to stay; you say that the will of the people is clear; then you press the no return button for leaving the EU; then you leave the sinking ship: that is when you know that you are being jerk.

Wow... I was so shocked when he done that... showed his real colours! He should have been held accountable for all

the lies he told. 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 2:54 PM, Skycaptain said:

Who've we got? 

 

Conservatives, as divided themselves as they've divided the country 

 

Labour, still unpopular due to the trillion pound debt they ran up, and Corbout's dishonesty during Brexit, saying Labour want to remain and doing nothing for the campaign 

 

UKIP, fragmented but at least consistent 

 

Libdems, anti-Brexit but probably too small to make a difference 

 

SNP, remain, but a Scotland only party 

 

Plaid Cymru, Greens etc, insignificant, basically wasted votes 

 

Parties likely to win, or be part of a coalition I'd trust to do the best for Britain. None of the above 

I think look at the lesser of the Evils, based on your views (btw I don't agree). Vote for who is going to help the NHS the most.

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 6:37 PM, Danny* said:

The Conservatives will win, Labour will still be scrambling, Lib Dems and Greens will still be dead. SNP will still be on top in Scotland, but it'll either push them into majority again or make them lose one or two seats - it's hard to tell right now. UKIP, god knows, but I can't see them making any gains unless they really grind over the next 50 or so days.

Love her or hate her, Theresa May isn't an idiot. She knows the rest of the parties are a mess right now and that she could easily win with a greater majority than 2015. And then she'll take that win as proof that she can do whatever she wants in regards to brexit.

May only requested for General election for her own political gain. She thinks she is going to win by a land slid, there fore having no restrictions in parliament for her future plans. The more seats, the bigger the power. 

However she underestimated Jeremy is the people's PM.

Even if Labour loses they will have more seats then before, which throws a spanner in Mays plans. 

 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 6:57 PM, Anthracite_Impreza said:

Typical tories, do things for their own benefit that screw the rest of us over. It's a bloody Tory personal interest that got us in this mess in the first place.

 

I'm almost tempted to vote for the greens.

You could vote for labour or Lib dem? Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

 

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 7:22 PM, Emanresu Yllisa said:

This is the first election I can vote in, not looking forward to it at all. The only options are either pointless to vote for due to low popularity or will probably make things worse, or both. That said I'd feel irresponsible if I didn't vote. Whats the point in having a "voice" in how my country is run if it can't say anything I actually want it to?

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour or Lib dem?

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 7:17 PM, October Country said:

I have no idea who to vote for!

 

I've never voted conservative. Labour are a mess. That leaves the Lib Dems out of the top 3, but I think I recall hearing that their leader held some homophobic views?

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour.

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Gem0000]

On 18/04/2017 at 7:11 PM, Danny* said:

It's tempting to vote elsewhere but wouldn't it just be a wasted vote? Though I suppose every non-tory, non-snp vote right now would be a wasted vote considering the situation...

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour or Lib dem? 

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Member4445]

Labour is also the reason both my parents lost their jobs and I ended up growing up living below the poverty line. The amount of BS they spread is ludicrous. Same with conservative.

[Skycaptain]

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we should just get rid of Parliament, let the military run defence, senior professionals in heathcare education etc run those and everything else we just do as we please 

[Gem0000]

On 19/04/2017 at 11:21 AM, gaogao said:

My first instinct is to say "We're basically fucked, get out while you can."

 

My friends and people I follow on social media have been screaming about getting young people out there to vote but I feel at this point it really is a question of who do we even vote for? 

 

I think this sums it up perfectly, honestly.

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Gem0000]

On 19/04/2017 at 2:02 PM, Evren said:

It was my first presidental vote too. It sucks when your choice is between racist, sexist, asshole, and soicopath with a wierd smile.

Loooooool... your more screwed then us... advice leave the country!

[Gem0000]

On 19/04/2017 at 4:03 PM, Tanwen said:

I have voted i every election (local/General) since 1970 - funny thing is Harold Wilson pushed for a reduction of the age of majority because he thought the young people would vote for him...but it did't happen. 

It's hard to think of a time when it was so critical we should have a strong but fair government but at the same time so little choice. Nothing is certain - May has a 17 point lead and yet how many times have we seen the pollsters proved wrong?

I know this post is a bit old... if your a labour don't give up hope! This is our last chance... there is no more NHS if Torres stay in power.

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour.

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Member4445]

Please stop quoting people and copy/pasting the exact same message. Really, everybody who has participated in the thread gets your stance. Spamming about voting for your favourite party won't make anybody change. 

[Gem0000]

On 19/04/2017 at 8:06 PM, Kyon. said:

Remember a few months ago when Jeremy Corbyn was some kind of political rockstar and people who'd never been engaged with politics were actually getting interested?

 

Now I know very very few people who have any hope of seeing him as PM. Labour overall just don't seem to have a clue what they're doing (STOP FIGHTING) and JC doesn't seem to have done a very good job at getting the ship under control.

 

Whether he's genuinely been as gormless as reported or he's just been completely sabotaged by the media, I don't know. I'd like to think it's the latter, but who knows? If Labour did win, we'd end up with either:

 

A) The third Chuckle Brother as PM, or

 

B) A genuinely good PM with largely very good beliefs and morals who'll be constantly undermined by both the media and his own party

 

At least the Tories give the impression they've got a clue what they're doing, even if it's usually horrible.

 

 

Hahahha 

please read my comments about labour from previous post. It's the media, it more the rich. They are scared of him, he is coming for their money to pay back finally. 

As for his party, he is cleaning them up. It was the dirty politicians who had something to gain or lose, when they wanted him out. If you research a year ago.... they didn't want their secrets if the Iraq war coming out.  He is decent and he is honest.

Read my above post about labour..

 

.. they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour.

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Gem0000]

On 20/04/2017 at 3:05 PM, Kyon. said:

I like him too. I think he's probably the most "appealing" (for lack of a better word) major politician since Charles Kennedy. I support a lot of his policies and think he could be a great PM if he had the support of his party and the media. 

 

He has neither though, so the general public are losing interest in the man himself and Labour as a whole. 

 

I'd personally never vote Tory. Locally to me, they've always been a nonentity and on a national level, they're a nightmare. It's very depressing to me to think of another five years under them. 

Read my above post about labour.... they have a good chance to win. You could vote for labour.

Or vote  tactically. 

https://www.tactical2017.com/

[Gem0000]

2 minutes ago, Ciri said:

Please stop quoting people and copy/pasting the exact same message. Really, everybody who has participated in the thread gets your stance. Spamming about voting for your favourite party won't make anybody change. 

Oh sorry I didn't know that!

i just saw your message. I will stop

[Gem0000]

My biggest concern is for the NHS... my friend recently had a health worry. It is bloody expensive, you never realise until you need. 

Which is why it's sad about the young people. Because they do need the NHS right now, they don't realise the effect it will have when it's gone.

Trying to convince my 19 year old nephew

to vote. He says he is too lazy! 

 

[Gem0000]

8 minutes ago, Ciri said:

Please stop quoting people and copy/pasting the exact same message. Really, everybody who has participated in the thread gets your stance. Spamming about voting for your favourite party won't make anybody change. 

Never say never! There is still

hope to the very last minute.

When there is nothing, there is always hope! 

[An elven aro]

@Gem0000 You did just say 

 

15 minutes ago, Gem0000 said:

Oh sorry I didn't know that!

i just saw your message. I will stop

then quoted the same post again but with a different message

 

8 minutes ago, Gem0000 said:

Never say never! There is still

hope to the very last minute.

When there is nothing, there is always hope! 

which seems to be completely disregarding your first reply? 

[Member4445]

HEY EVERYONE.

 

This is a Ciri related Public Service Announcement.

 

Vote who you damn well please.

 

Your vote does not make you a bad person. Voting for Tory, UKIP, Labour etc does not mean you 'aren't decent'.

 

What it means is that in the face of very "in your face" propaganda, you are still willing to hold your own opinions regardless! It means you know you're own mind, and that is priceless. Steadfastness is a trait the world needs right now.

 

Love,

~ Ciri.

[Gem0000]

4 minutes ago, An elven aro said:

@Gem0000 You did just say 

 

but then quoted the same post again with a different message

 

that seems to be completely disregarding your first reply? 

Actually the comment was about copying and pasting

the same information. If this is irritating, understandable. Hence why I stoped. 

I just wanted to leave on a positive note.

 

however if I wanted to comment on someone comment, I'm still intitled to do so....this is still a form.

 

do correct me, if I missed the memo!

[Tanwen]

While the Tories have accelerated the selling off of the NHS - it was begun by Alan Milburn (Labour) who has/had a number of buddies associated with US health insurance cons  companies

[sculapius]

2 hours ago, Ciri said:

HEY EVERYONE.

 

This is a Ciri related Public Service Announcement.

 

Vote who you damn well please.

 

Your vote does not make you a bad person. Voting for Tory, UKIP, Labour etc does not mean you 'aren't decent'.

 

What it means is that in the face of very "in your face" propaganda, you are still willing to hold your own opinions regardless! It means you know you're own mind, and that is priceless. Steadfastness is a trait the world needs right now.

 

Love,

~ Ciri.

Perhaps. Morality is relative, after all.

But here's the deal: Your vote is, essentially, an endorsement. Your vote is to say that yes, I like this person/party, I like what they're saying and I want to see them in government, doing what they'll say they'll do.

 

Normally, that'll be okay. But when you look at the policy proposal of, say, and these are only examples, UKIP, to ban burqas for vitamin D(???), and vote for them, you say that yes, that's OK, that's good, and that's what I want. And you're deciding the future of the country based on that. Or, to be balanced, if you vote Lib Dem after looking at their proposals to overturn a democratic vote because they didn't like it, what you're doing is you're basically saying that's okay, and good, by you.

 

I think people are absolutely entitled to call you out on being indecent or bad if you choose these things. These are big deals. These are things that affect people's lives, and condemn people to poverty and food banks. And these are conscious choices you make, things that you have to look at, and endorse.

 

Also @Gem0000 I recommend using the multiquote function. You see that little + at the left of the Quote link in each post? That lets you quote multiple posts at once and reply to them in a single post.

[Amnesiac]

Posted this on Facebook the other day but I think it has some relevance on here too: 

 

Before you all go to vote on Thursday, take time out to ignore all papers, social media, TVs and any other platform that can try to promote one political party over another and read the manifestos. Take the time to educate yourselves on what every party has to offer and make an informed decision that benefits you and those you care about. Who we vote for now will have a monumental impact on ours and future generations, make sure that you don't live to regret not showing your vote the consideration it deserves!