ChillaKilla Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mistake Maya said: it doesn't count if they're right wing intolerance/violences *sarcasm* Edited my response- the guy who attacked the Muslim was different, the source article had vague wording. They were praising that guy though. The rest still stands. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 4 hours ago, ChillaKilla said: And what of the people waving white supremacist symbols and yelling anti-black, anti-Semitic phrases, mockingly throwing bagels at counterprotestors (calling them Jewish) and such? Words are not violence, and should never even be considered violence. You should never try to break down the wall between the two. That leads to very bad things. Im not defending the Nazi's ideology (were there really even Nazi there? Or was it an "Alt-right" bullshit label again?). I'm defending their right of demonstration. The freedom of speech people were demonstrating their rights when Anti-fa tried to shut them down. This makes Anti-fa anti-first amendment. So this also makes them a threat to democracy. Since they used dynamite, and other things. They can be considered terrorists. I don't care who is demonstrating, but anyone violently protesting a demonstration, is Anti-democratic by any definition. Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 hours ago, スバル said: This makes Antifa anti-first amendment. So this also makes them a threat to democracy. Trump is anti-first amendment, yet oddly I never hear you complaining that he's a threat to democracy. 3 hours ago, スバル said: I don't care who is demonstrating, but anyone protesting a demonstration, is Anti-democratic by any definition. Isn't protesting something the very essence of democracy? Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 47 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said: Trump is anti-first amendment, yet oddly I never hear you complaining that he's a threat to democracy. Isn't protesting something the very essence of democracy? Protesting a protest is just stupid. Violently trying to shut down a protest, is anti-democratic. Which is what Antifa was doing. Also, has Trump proposed any legislation for anything to do with the first amendment? No, he didn't. So he isn't anti-first amendment. Saying anything out of anger =/= doing or being against it. This is why its important to keep the barrier between words and violence/action very strong. People get angry, and make remarks about their personal views. It happens all the time, and not unique to Trump. Like people who ask for the murderer of their family to be executed, the criminal still have to/must go through a fair trial. They cannot just execute them. Link to post Share on other sites
carbomb Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 45 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said: Trump is anti-first amendment, yet oddly I never hear you complaining that he's a threat to democracy. What has Trump said / done to show that he holds some sort of contempt for the First Amendment. Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, yourcaptaiin said: What has Trump said / done to show that he holds some sort of contempt for the First Amendment. Sued Bill Maher over a joke Threatened to sue The Onion over a satire piece Has expressed support for opening up the libel laws Link to post Share on other sites
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The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: Trump's form of anti-free speech, enacting stronger libel laws, is: 1. More more difficult to do, as evidenced by the fact that one has happened many times and the other has not happened yet 2. Not as immoral as violence 3. Not wholly invalid, if adjudicated fairly. Libel is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Still, I wouldn't support stricter libel laws to err on the side of caution. I guess I just find it odd that someone who thinks that people disagreeing with him online is censorship actively supports someone that's actually in favor of real censorship. 8 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: Protesting speech with violence? No. I was not defending nor referring to Antifa's actions. I was simply responding to Tofu's claim that anyone that protests a demonstration is by definition anti-democratic. Link to post Share on other sites
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Yatogami Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said: I was not defending nor referring to Antifa's actions. I was simply responding to Tofu's claim that anyone that protests a demonstration is by definition anti-democratic. It was obvious what I was referring to, this thread is about the Berkeley. I'm not talking about demonstrations in general. I do think protesting a demonstration is still stupid and only incites violence. Especially when the cops don't give a fuck. Link to post Share on other sites
carbomb Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Still said: Yeah, joining a violent organization is the right way to fight violence. Reciprocating violence for self defense =/= Initiating violence for political gain. For the most part, the Proud Boys acted in self defense. 4 hours ago, ChillaKilla said: leader who believes blacks are genetically inferior to whites Source? 4 hours ago, ChillaKilla said: members who are proud to be misogynists Source? 4 hours ago, ChillaKilla said: support Identity Evropa Source? Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: We went through this with people protesting Trump's election. I find anyone that protests the result of a direct democratic action to be undemocratic. Trump's election itself was undemocratic. He got nearly three million less votes than his opponent. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said: Trump's election itself was undemocratic. He got nearly three million less votes than his opponent. No, every time, no you are not correct. It was democratic. USA is a republic, that has democratic elections, that decide electorate votes. It is not a True democracy, it only employs democratic voting. The elections have always been between electorate votes. Trump and Clinton both rallied and campaigned for the electorate votes strategically. Trump won fair and square, by the rules decided before hand. You saying otherwise, is you just being upset that Bernie got taken out. Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, スバル said: No, every time, no you are not correct. It was democratic. USA is a republic, that has democratic elections, that decide electorate votes. It is not a True democracy, it only employs democratic voting. The elections have always been between electorate votes. Trump and Clinton both rallied and campaigned for the electorate votes strategically. Trump won fair and square, by the rules decided before hand. "Protesting a demonstration is anti-democratic but a system in which the candidate with the most votes can lose isn't." 2 minutes ago, スバル said: You saying otherwise, is you just being upset that Bernie got taken out. Well he would've won. Link to post Share on other sites
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The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: de·moc·ra·cy dəˈmäkrəsē/ noun a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives. Would you agree or disagree with the statement that a system in which certain people's votes matter more than others' is not democratic? Link to post Share on other sites
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The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: I think that is a misleading view of the election process and its outcome. How so? Link to post Share on other sites
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The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, CaptainYesterday said: Because our system is intended to also take into account state representation, and our representatives are democratically elected anyway. we should probably stop arguing about the electoral college on a thread about berkley Link to post Share on other sites
carbomb Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 hours ago, AcePsycho86 said: Well he would've won. Says who, the polls? Because I remember when the polls predicted Hillary would win. Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, yourcaptaiin said: Says who, the polls? Because I remember when the polls predicted Hillary would win. Bernie Sanders had a far bigger lead over Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton did. Trump just barely overperformed Clinton in a handful of Rust Belt states. It would've been much harder for Trump to do this had Sanders been the nominee instead. The "polls were wrong about Clinton winning so that means polls are wrong about this too" is a common talking point used by the right that ignores the fact that the election polls weren't even that far off to begin with. Most of the polling errors made during the 2016 election within three percentage points. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 23 hours ago, yourcaptaiin said: Sounds worth it to me. I already abstain from masturbation. Also I think they allow you to masturbate within one yard of a woman if you have her permission, though. Is that a signed permission? Maybe they should make up a form so you could use if with more than one woman. Link to post Share on other sites
Yatogami Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 @AcePsycho86 They had Clinton winning at over 90% more than once. Don't kid yourself. They over sampled Democrats to boost their win ration. When in fact, Clinton was loosing by a yuuuge margin in several different states, they didn't want anyone to know about. That is what the media does. Everyone knew Clinton was going to lose, and they tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and dampen our spirit. Bernie actually sabotaged Clinton's win. By making everyone assblasted, and then conceding to Clinton in the gloryless manner that he did. My people, were actually hoping Bernie would fight more. The longer he fought Clinton, the higher the chance Trump had of winning. The problem with Bernie, is that he suffers from the "Great man Syndrome". The only people who were going to vote for "Bernie" were majorly teenagers, and college kids. Some, which could not have even voted. The polls don't cover the fact, that anyone with an internet connection can participate. Voting age or not. Link to post Share on other sites
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Yatogami Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said: I would have voted for Bernie if it was possible. I don't agree with a lot of his "socialist" policies, but I think he is a far better person than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton (whose policies I also don't agree with, so it's kind of a wash and I'd rather vote for the better person). I do think you're right that he suffers from "great man syndrome." He seems like someone who tries too hard to do what everyone else considers the right thing, often at the expense of what I feel like he believes. I started seeing this when he let Black Lives Matter walk all over him at a rally. A good person doesn't always mean a good leader. Most people don't realize this. Sometimes, a good person is exactly what the country doesn't need. Anyone ever watch Digimon? Perfect example, as to why Sora or Mimi wasn't the Leader. They lacked a specific strength of character (but were the most good people), that is needed to bear the responsibility of the entire group's well being on them alone. Matt and Tai were rivals, because they both possessed it. But Matt lost in the end, because Tai had something he didn't. That was some chill. lol Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 6 hours ago, スバル said: @AcePsycho86 They had Clinton winning at over 90% more than once. Don't kid yourself. I said the polls weren't that far off. You're talking about election forecasts. 6 hours ago, スバル said: Everyone knew Clinton was going to lose, and they tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and dampen our spirit. Pretty sure that almost everyone thought Clinton was gonna win. I saw very few people from either side of the political spectrum that thought Trump was gonna win. 6 hours ago, スバル said: Bernie actually sabotaged Clinton's win. By making everyone assblasted, and then conceding to Clinton in the gloryless manner that he did. Bernie did not "sabotage" Clinton. She sabotaged herself by being a terrible candidate and running a terrible campaign. 6 hours ago, スバル said: The only people who were going to vote for "Bernie" were majorly teenagers, and college kids. Bernie is literally the most the popular politician in the country. Pretty sure he would've gotten enough votes to beat a reality tv star with a negative approval rating. 5 hours ago, スバル said: Sometimes, a good person is exactly what the country doesn't need. I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Link to post Share on other sites
The Terrible Travis Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 On 4/17/2017 at 0:17 AM, yourcaptaiin said: Sounds worth it to me. I already abstain from masturbation. LIES i've seen your internet history evan: Link to post Share on other sites
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