Perissodactyla Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Health Care Bill Negotiations Continue as Vote Slips to Tomorrow Right now, there are more than enough House Republicans opposed to the health-care bill to kill it U.S. senators advised House vote on healthcare unlikely before Monday-aide U.S. senators have been informed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that a vote on a Republican repeal and replacement of Obamacare might not be held in the House of Representatives before Monday, according to a senior Senate aide. The House had hoped to vote on Thursday on the controversial measure, but has lacked the votes for passage. MARCH 23, 2017 House Session Members debated a same-day rule to allow them to consider the Republicans bill to replace the Affordable Care Act https://www.c-span.org/video/?425605-1/health-care-bill-negotiations-continue-vote-slips-tomorrow Why are Republicans moving so fast on health care? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/23/why-are-republicans-moving-so-fast-on-health-care/ Link to post Share on other sites
Moophie Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Yeah, good luck with that, American friends. Don't forget to contact your local representatives and such. Link to post Share on other sites
CitizenSmith Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 My reps are Democrats and have already committed to voting 'no' but if your Congressman is Republican or otherwise undecided, CALL THEM. Calls 'for' or 'against' an issue get recorded and are counted at the end of the day. If a significant number of constituents express opposition or support for an issue, it CAN influence votes. Be sure to call YOUR Congressman and ONLY your Congressman. If you are not a constituent, then your opinion will not be recorded and you will be holding up a phone line while people who actually live in that district are trying to call. There are limited phone lines and limited staff to answer the phones. Constituents get priority. Don't try to be sneaky and call multiple offices. Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Drumpf delivers ultimatum to House Republicans: Pass health-care measure on Friday or he’ll move on video: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-health-care-plan-hangs-in-balance-as-house-leaders-push-for-thursday-floor-vote/2017/03/23/6e8bf05a-0fbd-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_obamacare-805a Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 As Republicans Mutiny, Ryan Warns He Can’t Pass Health Bill Paul Ryan Rushes to White House to Tell Drumpf Votes Are Lacking to Repeal Obamacare 1:03 PM ET House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, facing a revolt among conservative and moderate Republicans, rushed to the White House to confer with President Drumpf on whether to pull the bill. Mr. Drumpf had demanded the vote scheduled for Friday, but House leaders were leaning against such a public loss. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/health-care-affordable-care-act.html How House Republicans Are Planning to Vote on the Obamacare Replacement https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/20/us/politics/health-care-whip-count.html Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Well, supposedly the vote will come in an hour. This administration just keeps getting more ridiculous by the minute. Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Drumpf’s First Legislative Effort Fails as G.O.P. Pulls Bill to Repeal Obamacare MARCH 24, 2017 Minority Leader Pelosi on Affordable Care Act Replacement House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) spoke with reporters following news that Republicans decided to call off a vote on their health care bill. The legislation was intended to replace the Affordable Care Act. Video: https://www.c-span.org/video/?425978-1/house-minority-leader-nancy-pelosi-reacts-decision-pull-gop-health-care-bill&live Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Trump has claimed that it's the Democrats' fault that the bill failed. Ha -- the Republicans couldn't muster the votes from their own party to pass it. Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Drumpf’s colossal failure https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/03/24/trumps-colossal-failure/ Link to post Share on other sites
carbomb Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I wish Paul Ryan weren't so spineless and he actually delivered on his promises instead of caving to Trump. If they were smart, they would have introduced a full repeal / no replacement bill. The Democrats would, of course, filabuster it, and the GOP would have negotiated down from there. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Yourcaptain, this wasn't the Dems' or Paul Ryan's fault -- the extreme wing and the moderate wing of the Republicans couldn't agree on the plan -- they were very far apart. Paul Ryan has only one vote. Link to post Share on other sites
Joe the Stoic Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 54 minutes ago, yourcaptaiin said: I wish Paul Ryan weren't so spineless and he actually delivered on his promises instead of caving to Trump. If they were smart, they would have introduced a full repeal / no replacement bill. The Democrats would, of course, filabuster it, and the GOP would have negotiated down from there. A full repeal would have failed to secure the moderate Republicans who wants a sensible replacement. ACA repeal was a doomed idea, and Mr. Negotiator couldn't cut a good deal within his own party. That's a bad test for when he says he's going to take on Mexico and China. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 The Republicans have tried at least 60 times to repeal Obamacare without a replacement, including tries during the last 2 years when they've controlled Congress. They couldn't get the votes. Link to post Share on other sites
carbomb Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, Joe Parrish said: A full repeal would have failed to secure the moderate Republicans who wants a sensible replacement. I know. I was suggesting it as an opening gambit, rather than an actual proposal. They propose it, knowing that it won't pass, but negotiate with the Democrats to get a more bipartisan solution that still accomplishes their goals. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, yourcaptaiin said: I know. I was suggesting it as an opening gambit, rather than an actual proposal. They propose it, knowing that it won't pass, but negotiate with the Democrats to get a more bipartisan solution that still accomplishes their goals. They're not going to negotiate with the Democrats. Link to post Share on other sites
Joe the Stoic Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, yourcaptaiin said: I know. I was suggesting it as an opening gambit, rather than an actual proposal. They propose it, knowing that it won't pass, but negotiate with the Democrats to get a more bipartisan solution that still accomplishes their goals. I suspect that the Democrats would have filibustered it to death. Turning their backs on Obamacare and negotiating away would have likely caused them grief in their own party. Link to post Share on other sites
Cimmerian Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Good this wasn't doing anything that the conservatives actually wanted it to do anyway. Getting rid of one part of the problem wasn't going to do much if we didn't also have the clause to open the healthcare market across state lines. If they'd get some of the moderates to sit down and shut up we might actually get a decent bill that keeps some of the helpful provisions (pre-existing conditions, and the higher age to stay on parents healthcare) but actually does something useful for the country. Link to post Share on other sites
Joe the Stoic Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 54 minutes ago, Cimmerian said: Good this wasn't doing anything that the conservatives actually wanted it to do anyway. Getting rid of one part of the problem wasn't going to do much if we didn't also have the clause to open the healthcare market across state lines. If they'd get some of the moderates to sit down and shut up we might actually get a decent bill that keeps some of the helpful provisions (pre-existing conditions, and the higher age to stay on parents healthcare) but actually does something useful for the country. Even trading across state lines could be a bit of a Pandora's Box because it would create lot of confusion about which state's regulations come into play. All the more reason to have a simple, single-payer system, I say. Link to post Share on other sites
Cimmerian Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Joe Parrish said: Even trading across state lines could be a bit of a Pandora's Box because it would create lot of confusion about which state's regulations come into play. All the more reason to have a simple, single-payer system, I say. I don't expect it to be without it's own problems, but I expect it'd be a lot more cost-effective for people to get what they actually want out of their plans. Link to post Share on other sites
Joe the Stoic Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, Cimmerian said: I don't expect it to be without it's own problems, but I expect it'd be a lot more cost-effective for people to get what they actually want out of their plans. It's possible. It's also possible that insurers would just merge and dominate the national market instead of just state markets. I don't know that it would actually fix anything. =/ Link to post Share on other sites
ChillaKilla Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 55 minutes ago, Joe Parrish said: It's possible. It's also possible that insurers would just merge and dominate the national market instead of just state markets. I don't know that it would actually fix anything. =/ But would such a merger be permitted? That's potential for future monopolization of healthcare. If it's nationalized, that isn't a problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Cimmerian said: I don't expect it to be without it's own problems, but I expect it'd be a lot more cost-effective for people to get what they actually want out of their plans. Single-payer systems work in just about every other first world country. Although I'm beginning to not consider the US as a first world country. Link to post Share on other sites
Sally Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 3 hours ago, ChillaKilla said: But would such a merger be permitted? That's potential for future monopolization of healthcare. If it's nationalized, that isn't a problem. Yes, it would be permitted. The Catholic Church is busily buying up health care systems all over the country and there's no law against it. Link to post Share on other sites
Kelly Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 They are not going to give up on destroying the health care system. Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Alice Ollstein @AliceOllstein I can't get over this quote from @RepJoeBarton after the #AHCA failed. 'The Bill Is Over': House GOP Pulls Health Care Bill Before Sure Defeat http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/leadership-pulls-obamacare-repeal Why Republicans were in such a hurry on health care https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/25/why-republicans-were-in-such-a-hurry-on-health-care/ Link to post Share on other sites
alanz Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I think our health care system has a lot of serious issues.Such as proper management of medical equipment, scheduling, and wait times. Once I had a serious injury I had to apply to the private 24 hour immediate care near me https://frontlineer.com/ in Dallas 'coz there is no waiting period and it's available 24/7. Since that time I prefer to attend the private clinics only. Link to post Share on other sites
Perissodactyla Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 We asked 8 Senate Republicans to explain what their health bill is trying to do 6/16/2017 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15810524/senate-ahca-explain-please I’ve covered Obamacare since day one. I’ve never seen lying and obstruction like this. 6/15/2017 https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/6/15/15807986/obamacare-lies-obstruction Trump betraying all his health care promises is the biggest Trump scandal of all 6/16/2017 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15807806/trump-breaking-health-promises Link to post Share on other sites
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