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Yes, it's a mouthful! Any other autochorissexuals here?

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You can use "aegosexual" istead. ;)

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Yes, " anegosexual" is an option. I usually use autochorissexual because more people seem to have heard of it and it has a wiki page, so I can send the link to someone if they want to know what that is. :P http://asexuals.wikia.com/wiki/Autochorissexual

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I experience autochorissexualism. It's not something I would say is part of my identity. As a behavior or paraphilia there's also potential for non-asexuals to experience it.

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10 minutes ago, borkfork said:

I experience autochorissexualism. It's not something I would say is part of my identity. As a behavior or paraphilia there's also potential for non-asexuals to experience it.

 

I respect your opinion but I am confused...how do you figure that it is a behavior that non-aces my experience? Would you please help me understand what you mean? When I say I am autochorissexual, I mean that I have a disconnection between myself and the erotica/visualizations I find arousing and that I lack any desire to be a participant in the sexual activities they contain.

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It's a paraphilia, it has to do with arousal. It's more just common among aces, as far as we know. Paraphilia really isn't a bad word. Have you read the original paper that explicitly states it's a paraphilia?

 

edit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22576251

There's a link to a PDF floating around tumblr.

 

I hate labeling and the last thing I want to do is be that asshole. I'm referring to myself and how I arrived at this conclusion.

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UrbanPrimitive

I'm going to have to mention my umbrage with listing autochorisexual experience/aegosexuality as a paraphilia. I believe it's a misunderstanding of the mechanics at play in the aegosexual/autochirosexual arousal experience. Paraphilias typically describe the elements necessary for arousal to occur, e.g. an exhibitionist requiring, or at least deriving pleasure from, sexual activity being observed. I believe the autochorisexual experience happens upstream of that. The current discussion of the experience is nearly indistinguishable from voyeurism, but that doesn't resonate with my experience at all. Rather, I'd suggest that autochirosexuality is a mechanism by which to express libido among asexuals. It functionally mandates a dearth of attraction, instead relying on a theoretical appreciation for sex acts on a conceptual level. To my mind, that's what separates autochirosexuals from voyeurs.

 

To put it in more blunt terms, I do not experience attraction, but I do experience libido. Because attraction is off the table, encountering my libido requires that I find a mechanism that does not rely upon that response. So instead the experience of sexuality becomes entirely depersonalized, broken down to philosophical components, signs and signifiers.

 

It's definitively true that the current conversation about aegosexuality/autochorisexuality hinges on its current definition as a paraphilia. I happen to swim up stream in declaring that I believe that label to be categorically incorrect, a fundamental error in understanding what is being discussed.

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@UrbanPrimitive I get what you're saying by calling it a mechanism. I've described it as a "behavior pattern" to non-aces before (the behavior is happening in my mind is all). The word "paraphilia" also carries so many misunderstandings and a negative connotation.

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4 hours ago, borkfork said:

It's a paraphilia, it has to do with arousal. It's more just common among aces, as far as we know. Paraphilia really isn't a bad word. Have you read the original paper that explicitly states it's a paraphilia?

 

edit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22576251

There's a link to a PDF floating around tumblr.

 

I hate labeling and the last thing I want to do is be that asshole. I'm referring to myself and how I arrived at this conclusion.

 

Thanks for clarifying! No, I didn't even know there was a paper. I found out about it from what people have said, a YouTube video and Wikipedia. I'll have to read it when I find time.

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9 hours ago, AVEN #1 fan said:

You can use "anegosexual" istead. ;)

Please, please, please don't leave out that "n". It's painful to read every time the Greek language gets needlessly mutilated! 

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8 hours ago, Mysticus Insanus said:

Please, please, please don't leave out that "n". It's painful to read every time the Greek language gets needlessly mutilated! 

Omg,  my silly fingers. XD

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8 hours ago, Mysticus Insanus said:

Please, please, please don't leave out that "n". It's painful to read every time the Greek language gets needlessly mutilated! 

 

My apologies, I misspelled.

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Just now, Crystal7 said:

 

My apologies, I misspelled.

:cake: :)


The trouble is that I've seen many people use that spelling without the N, consistently... *sigh*

Always glad to see it when somebody stops! :D

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abandonedbrain

autochorissexualism is something that I've contemplated with recently because its the main reason that i realized that i was ace. I've been watching a tv show with lots of sex scenes and characters, both male and female, often appear topless. However, i feel absolutely nothing more than aesthetic attraction when the scenes with topless people appear. When it comes to the sex scenes, i get 'the feels' as i have tended to describe the feeling of 'yes, i love your relationship and you two together make me happy' that i feel physically. im not clear on the difference, if any, between sex drive and libido, so i tend to avoid using those words. otherwise, i have no attraction to the singular person, but the minute their partner shows up, im over here like 'kiss, kiss, kiss' (i know kissing isn't sexual but you get what i mean). i identify as asexual and not autochorissexual, but i feel that autochorissexualism is a part of my asexuality.

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I've never heard this word before so thank you for the wiki link! It's actually pretty close to what I can identify with which is interesting. I think I'll probably continue to identify as ace, maybe out of ease because it's the term I've become used to, but I'd say this is definitely something which somewhat defines how I feel. 

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I consider myself autochorissexual as well but I don't necessarily use it as my primary identity because I think it's really common (even among sexual people- lots of them can get aroused by things they'd never do in real life).

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Hmm yeah, even in here it's been too many times that I've gotten in to the middle of an argument about autochorissexuality (and usually the legitimacy of it, mostly in the chatroom I think, but possibly in a thread or two too) that if I were to use it more openly, and not just mention it when I think it's all safe and good, I think that it would just be like begging for a bloody nose. It's not that important for me to tell everyone else and the first ever ace friend I got was another autochorissexual so I don't even have a need to find others like me.

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I'm not sure if I'm "anegosexual", even if I at first labeled myself as one. It is one of the closest labels to me, but till this date I haven't found a (popular) label regarding "sexuality" that would fit me perfectly except "asexual" and "anegosexual" with only some definitions of them. I'm currently not completely comfortable using either.

     There's been lots of discussion if "anegosexuals" are "asexuals" here in forums and I myself am not even sure about that and there one hell of a good reason for that: The current definitions of sexual attraction (and also aesthetic attraction) aren't good enough. If we define asexuality with "sexual attraction" then it should be defined well at first. Also there's one thing to remember. These are just words made up by people!  They have at the moment no perfect correlation with reality, so confusion galore;). We could change the meaning of the word "sexual" to just liking number 6 and then "asexuals" would be people who don't like number 6. That'd be completely valid, because "sexual" just a word made up by people. So, are anegosexuals asexuals? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It only depends on the definition, which is (at least a proper one) extinct atm.

     So if you as far haven't guessed, I'm not fond of current labels, so I don't use them a lot. Am I an anegosexual? Maybe? It depends on the future definition.

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Hello, I'm having a blast reading all of you trying to stake out what this all means. Like watching pioneers founding new lands.

 

I would class myself as asexual but I suppose I am mainly autochorissexual.

Here's what it means to me;

 

I don't feel sexual attraction towards people (I am a romantic though), but I can become sexually aroused by pornographic materials, not limited to images or video either, audio, literature even just ideas (this one is a bit hit and miss, I'll explain why)

 

However: the thought of being involved in these situations basically ruins it for me. 

Makes me a little anxious actually, sometimes. 

If I accidentally picture myself in a sexual situation then that's the end of that.

 

 

Just to throw a spanner in the works of how we define this. Sorry I guess.

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12 minutes ago, Fortune said:

However: the thought of being involved in these situations basically ruins it for me. 

Makes me a little anxious actually, sometimes. 

If I accidentally picture myself in a sexual situation then that's the end of that.

Pretty much same for me except I simply can't picture myself in a sexual situation. Or I can technically do it but it still feels like I'm watching it like I'd watch a movie with a sex scene. Not that I'd have any real life experiences either so... :rolleyes: But then again it doesn't really do anything to me if I do imagine being involved in it.

I've hardly had any sexy dreams either and the one where it was gonna go somewhere I didn't wanna do it and woke up feeling like I'm gonna suffocate.

 

Definition wise I've felt like this has been pretty useful for me: http://asexuals.wikia.com/wiki/Autochorissexual

 

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I think Autochorissexual is the best label for myself.  I feel attraction to celebrities and porn stars, but not to people in real life.  So I still have sexual fantasies, but there is a level of detachment to them that makes me feel autochorissexual.

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On 05/12/2016 at 7:41 PM, UrbanPrimitive said:

Paraphilias typically describe the elements necessary for arousal to occur, e.g. an exhibitionist requiring, or at least deriving pleasure from, sexual activity being observed. I believe the autochorisexual experience happens upstream of that. The current discussion of the experience is nearly indistinguishable from voyeurism, but that doesn't resonate with my experience at all. Rather, I'd suggest that autochirosexuality is a mechanism by which to express libido among asexuals. It functionally mandates a dearth of attraction, instead relying on a theoretical appreciation for sex acts on a conceptual level. To my mind, that's what separates autochirosexuals from voyeurs.

The "upstream" point is a good one.  Autochorissexuality is a way of experiencing arousal.  What a person is aroused by can be dictated by paraphilias (fetishes, kinks, etc.).  This is why it's incorrect to label autochorissexuality as a paraphilia itself.  Autochorissexuality is not an unusual sexual interest, but an unusual way of experiencing arousal.

 

As for the idea that non-asexuals can experience autochorissexuality, I don't think that this makes sense.  As per Anthony Bogaert: "[Autochorissexual] individuals still seem to retain a lack of subjective sexual attraction to others (or anything), despite physical arousal and seeking out persistent themes in fantasy and pornography. Subjective in this case refers to the I or the me in one’s identity as a person. Moreover, it might be argued that asexual people’s bodies (or more correctly, aspects of their nervous systems related to arousal) have a ‘‘sexual orientation’’ of sorts, but they themselves, or their identities, do not"

 

People experiencing autochorissexuality lack subjective sexual attraction to others, therefore they are asexual.  It's not possible to be allosexual and experience autochorissexuality at the same time.  Asexuality is built right into the definition of autochorissexuality.

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Pita-Beata Stephen

Hi I'm a bit of throwback here but was not a sexually active teen back in the then Friends with Benefits era of the 90's because I wasn't compelled for such a thing but I was easily aroused by the site of females. I masturbated to Playboy a lot then. Then at the age of 21 when I started "coming out" of a sort being sexually non-experienced to a JapanAmerican Young Woman a few Years older than I was She asked Me the golden spike question "Do You Masturbate?!" I timidly replied "Uh, Yeah"  It was at the time a kind of sobering experience of defining My sexuality so it got slightly easier but  there was turbulence from time to time! Now it's 20 years later!

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Darth Tribble

I guess I'm an autochorissexual, but I prefer to simply be called gray asexual or just asexual.

 

The main reason I don't label myself as that is because I am still exploring. I could be an autochorissexual while also falling under sapiosexual, or demisexual, or something. 

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Autochorissexual fits me pretty well. I have a strong libido and have aesthetic attraction to all genders, but I am averse to the idea of being involved in sexual acts with others. I sometimes think I could try sex (to see what all the fuss is about) and to see if I am as averse to it as I believe I am, but the thought of engaging in sexual acts with another person makes me feel very uncomfortable.

 

For simplicity, I prefer to think of myself as Grey. Also, Grey Asexuality is easier to communicate to others.

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On 2/26/2017 at 1:19 PM, six-or-one said:

I have a strong libido and have aesthetic attraction to all genders, but I am averse to the idea of being involved in sexual acts with others. I sometimes think I could try sex.

 

This would describe me and I have tried sex but didn't enjoy it yet I'm still someone curious at times so I identify as grey panromantic asexual. I've found that the enjoyment I thought I would experience in fantasy did not translate into reality. I found I much preferred the cuddling to sex so I have sensual attraction. I find cuddling arousing which could potentially send mixed messages and be difficult for other aces. So far I've only been with cis male allophiles.

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5 hours ago, Akui++ said:

I've found that the enjoyment I thought I would experience in fantasy did not translate into reality. 

Ditto

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On 3/3/2017 at 11:52 AM, Akui++ said:

 

This would describe me and I have tried sex but didn't enjoy it yet I'm still someone curious at times so I identify as grey panromantic asexual. I've found that the enjoyment I thought I would experience in fantasy did not translate into reality. I found I much preferred the cuddling to sex so I have sensual attraction. I find cuddling arousing which could potentially send mixed messages and be difficult for other aces. So far I've only been with cis male allophiles.

I think this has been quite a revelation to Me in My 41st year of life. I have had to archive My History and recategorize it in this definition. When I was a Teenager I didn't have any orifice experience and didn't have My first petting experience till I was 18. For the entire time I was rather a closeted Playboy masturbator. I was about 21 when I had to tell a female I was sexually inexperienced. She was a 24 y/o JapanAmerican young woman. She did not help Me have My first time but She helped Me to admit How "Sexually" independent I was by coming out as a masturbator. Between the ages of 21 & 26 I was coming out as a "virgin" & masturbator to some, When I was 24 I was even "outed" by a woman who knew Me when I was 18 that I was a "virgin" It wasn't until a few more Years later 26/27y/o that I started to participate in vaginal intercourse. When I was 32, I stopped because I was in an open relationship. I stopped because The novelty of boinking an orifice wasn't really apart of My character. I was merely rolling in a sociological propaganda to "Get it On" During the time when I was Younger and Libido much Higher I was told to wait it will come along. They call it an orientation for a Reason! The teen Years ARE a Vital "classroom" of being physically an psychologically trained to become  acclimated to being dependent on mating with others. I have pondered on this for quite a while and the TRUTH IS what John Lennon said "Life Is What Happens to You while You're busy making other plans!"  During My then pinning for My First Time experience, I was getting "Oriented" mostly with Myself! My thoughts when I was pondering on My archives I have reiterated in My Head that  "After a while I wasn't waiting, I was 'bating!"  I stopped having Sex because My orientation had recalled Me. When I was Younger I've also has Homosensual experiences with Guys. All the while since My puberty, I had also a struggle with gender feelings even though I was the only Cisgender Male born in a troop of Four the rest being Female, it's kind of like the feud in Ireland persay!

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margot-rain

Even though I tend to just identify myself as asexual, I think autochlorissexual/anegosexual is a better fit. I can watch sexual stuff and get aroused by it, but the idea of me partaking in it myself makes me very uncomfortable. Also, at my workplace the topic of sex comes up a lot (do not know whether that's unusal, it's my first proper job) and I'm comfortable with people talking about it around me, but if they get very explicit or they start talking to me directly or asking me questions, I just wanna put my fingers in my ears to block it out or run out the room. 

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