Debunking Conservative myths. AMA

[Yatogami]

Conservatism is simply not spending money on things that do not work. If you cannot balance the checkbook of any program, you should let it die.

And yet you support wasting even more money on our already incredibly bloated military budget.

When have I ever called for military funding? Im Anti-Nato. I'm Isolationist.

[ThaHoward]

Yes, but where does that fall into socially liberal? Libertarian is about freedom, liberal (by today's definition) is practically socialism and or communism.

So there is confusion about the terms and their definitions, then. I know what my ideology is, the specific terms are confusing to me, as is the definitions in the political left/right spectrum. (I've read conflicting things about what ideology falls where, to the point I hardly care anymore.)

I do know that liberal is a word bearing more than one definition. Leftists tend to be for the legalization of gay marriage and the like, where rightists generally aren't. These are social issues, and most people, at least, believe that those who support them are liberal.

The most common issues are brought up, are part of social freedoms. Conservatives and liberals can share things like "Gay marriage" because it is a right, not a social funding thing. Most conservatives that support anti-gay marriage are also authoritarian, aka going up on the scale, while keeping right. Going up means less libertarian. This too can apply to both wings. An authoritarian leftist is called a communist. While a liberal leftist is called a anarcho leftist.

This will help you out. If you take the poltiical compass test, it will tell you were you fall on it.

That map is do incredible flawed I dont even know where to start.

Conservatism is simply not spending money on things that do not work. If you cannot balance the checkbook of any program, you should let it die.

And yet you support wasting even more money on our already incredibly bloated military budget.

When have I ever called for military funding? Im Anti-Nato. I'm Isolationist.

And you are anti-immigration and for protectiomism. You can't really be a Libertarian then. That you think Libertarianism is a conservative ideology imo show your misconception.

[Yatogami]

Yes, but where does that fall into socially liberal? Libertarian is about freedom, liberal (by today's definition) is practically socialism and or communism.

So there is confusion about the terms and their definitions, then. I know what my ideology is, the specific terms are confusing to me, as is the definitions in the political left/right spectrum. (I've read conflicting things about what ideology falls where, to the point I hardly care anymore.)

I do know that liberal is a word bearing more than one definition. Leftists tend to be for the legalization of gay marriage and the like, where rightists generally aren't. These are social issues, and most people, at least, believe that those who support them are liberal.

The most common issues are brought up, are part of social freedoms. Conservatives and liberals can share things like "Gay marriage" because it is a right, not a social funding thing. Most conservatives that support anti-gay marriage are also authoritarian, aka going up on the scale, while keeping right. Going up means less libertarian. This too can apply to both wings. An authoritarian leftist is called a communist. While a liberal leftist is called a anarcho leftist.

This will help you out. If you take the poltiical compass test, it will tell you were you fall on it.

That map is do incredible flawed I dont even know where to start.

Conservatism is simply not spending money on things that do not work. If you cannot balance the checkbook of any program, you should let it die.

And yet you support wasting even more money on our already incredibly bloated military budget.

When have I ever called for military funding? Im Anti-Nato. I'm Isolationist.

And you are anti-immigration and for protectiomism. You can't really be a Libertarian then. That you think Libertarianism is a conservative ideology imo show your misconception.

Your thinking of the Libertarian party again. A left leaning libertarian is pro-immigration.

It is arguable about wether immigration is about liberty to begin with. There are too many factors involved to just say "let them all in" and you cannot protect your country if you do so. Even if it is for the economy, it affects many different things. So no, anti-immigration doesnt mean I am not libertarian.

Libertarian is anything below the horizontal axis, just how far right or left you are determines what kind.

[ThaHoward]

No Libertarian is not anything below that Axis. That Axis is made in the first place in the Last years to simplify things. Note simplify. If Stalinism is a totalitarian version of Socialism, Libertarians are that for Liberalism. They value extreme personal freedom - extreme is the keyword here. To take on the Stalinism example again, what you basically said is that everything on the authorian side are Stalinist. Also Trump would be on the up side, that don't make him authorian however. And being barely on the Libertarian spektrum don't make you Libertarian.

So a conservative myth to debunk: Libertarians aren't Conservatives, but actually Liberals.

[ThaHoward]

No Libertarian is not anything below that Axis. That Axis is made in the first place in the Last years to simplify things. Note simplify. If Stalinism is a totalitarian version of Socialism, Libertarians are that for Liberalism. They value extreme personal freedom - extreme is the keyword here. To take on the Stalinism example again, what you basically said is that everything on the authorian side are Stalinist. Also Trump would be on the up side, that don't make him authorian however. And being barely on the Libertarian spektrum don't make you Libertarian.

So a conservative myth to debunk: Libertarians aren't Conservatives, but actually Liberals.

[Yatogami]

No Libertarian is not anything below that Axis. That Axis is made in the first place in the Last years to simplify things. Note simplify. If Stalinism is a totalitarian version of Socialism, Libertarians are that for Liberalism. They value extreme personal freedom - extreme is the keyword here. To take on the Stalinism example again, what you basically said is that everything on the authorian side are Stalinist. Also Trump would be on the up side, that don't make him authorian however. And being barely on the Libertarian spektrum don't make you Libertarian.

So a conservative myth to debunk: Libertarians aren't Conservatives, but actually Liberals.

I said that. True liberals in the classic sense is what we call libertarians today. And no the horizontal axis represents liberty aka freedoms. When I say Libertarian (when I mentioned the axis). I refer to all who support social liberty. It is a spectrum. Same with the vertical axis. Which represents economic policies. It is simplified yes, and politics being complex. I think it gives a good grasp on where things should be located in terms of the axis.

[Guest]

I know I do not prefer to be considered politically conservative. I was raised neo-conservative, I have left that behind. Their ideology is not one I agree with any longer. Some of my personally held values may be considered conservative (and as the word can have more than one definition like most in the English language, I do not mind using it sometimes), but I am for maximum freedom.

[The Terrible Travis]

Conservatism is simply not spending money on things that do not work. If you cannot balance the checkbook of any program, you should let it die.

And yet you support wasting even more money on our already incredibly bloated military budget.

When have I ever called for military funding? Im Anti-Nato. I'm Isolationist.

If I'm not mistaken the presidential candidate you're supporting (Trump) has openly said he'd like to raise the military budget. Not to mention that in other threads, you yourself have complained about Obama's cuts to the budget - a sentiment that obviously shows you think the budget should be higher than it is now.

[Yatogami]

Conservatism is simply not spending money on things that do not work. If you cannot balance the checkbook of any program, you should let it die.

And yet you support wasting even more money on our already incredibly bloated military budget.

When have I ever called for military funding? Im Anti-Nato. I'm Isolationist.

If I'm not mistaken the presidential candidate you're supporting (Trump) has openly said he'd like to raise the military budget. Not to mention that in other threads, you yourself have complained about Obama's cuts to the budget - a sentiment that obviously shows you think the budget should be higher than it is now.

So I have to agree 100% to support a candidate? And no I would support a military budget increase if it can get us out of the war we are currently in, that Bush started.

Obama cut and pulled out at the worst possible time. We are now paying for it.

[Sally]

And no I would support a military budget increase if it can get us out of the war we are currently in, that Bush started.

Obama cut and pulled out at the worst possible time. We are now paying for it.

A military increase would get us out of war? It's obvious you aren't old enough to remember Viet Nam.

Obama did not pull out of either Iraq or Afghanistan.

[JAKQ7111]

And no I would support a military budget increase if it can get us out of the war we are currently in, that Bush started.

Obama cut and pulled out at the worst possible time. We are now paying for it.

A military increase would get us out of war? It's obvious you aren't old enough to remember Viet Nam.

Obama did not pull out of either Iraq or Afghanistan.

If anything, he made the situation worse. If there's one thing I did not like about Obama, it was the way he handled the Middle East conflicts, which is still my major issue with Clinton to this day. Hawkish Democrats really make me scratch my head, because I want to like them, but I don't approve of their whole "perpetuating conflict and imperialism" thing.