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2 minutes ago, Homer said:

Who do you think should investigate those things? Or do you want the government to be allowed to get away with everything?

They can investigate all they want, and as long as they bring up a reasonable case. But what I am talking about, is people being blackmailed and manipulated by the intelligence community for its own gain outside of the law. 

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Examples?

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3 minutes ago, ThaHoward said:

Examples?

Perhaps the Benghazi investigations being dragged out 20x longer than need be? Or more email cases being opened the week before the presidential elections? :P I've got a few ancom friends who were none too fond of either candidate (and I never liked Hillary as the lesser of two evils), but they considered the incessant badgering of Hillary by the FBI ridiculously excessive, and instrumental in dissuading people from being in favor of her as a candidate.

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14 hours ago, R3dTr1ckz said:

I actually have a web tech as a foster dad that has a file proving Obama's birth certificate is fake... Plus he is very good at computers that FAR surpass anyone I've ever seen. He knows where to find info. He once showed me all of my sites that I visited on and my personal history on my computer...

Seems legit, just like that kid who told you at the playground that his uncle worked for Nintendo and totally showed him the new Mario game where you could play as Sonic. Unfortunately he had to send the game back to Japan so nobody else could see it, but it was totally real!!

 

Oh, and I'm also a computer genius like your foster dad: if you hit Ctrl-H, you can see your browsing history!! :o

 

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16 hours ago, R3dTr1ckz said:

I do believe he is, but we can sit here all night arguing but I'm going to be the better man and say no. I can defend my views all I want but you just find some problem with it. If I told you I'm a devout Evangelical Pentecostal, which I am, would you pick my brain apart so to satisfy you own glorified view of me? Thanks but no thanks. I'll agree to disagree. May God bless you, my brother, and show the true path....

You "believing" something does not make it true. What would you think if I said I "believe" Donald Trump's a Nazi?

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3 hours ago, Still said:
  17 hours ago, R3dTr1ckz said:

I actually have a web tech as a foster dad that has a file proving Obama's birth certificate is fake... Plus he is very good at computers that FAR surpass anyone I've ever seen. He knows where to find info. He once showed me all of my sites that I visited on and my personal history on my computer...

Agreed. Pics or GTHO.

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But hey, at least the already extremely well-off get a giant tax break and the strongest military in the world gets a 10% increase to continue blowing up innocent people overseas. #Priorities

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1 hour ago, AcePsycho86 said:

But hey, at least the already extremely well-off get a giant tax break

Do you realize that the way you feel about Republicans is the exact same way they feel about you?  Instead of "ugh, tax breaks for the rich and cutting social programs!" it's "ugh, disproportional taxes on the rich and leeches draining the system!"

 

And as much as you feel yours is the "right" and "fair" way to run society, they think theirs is, too?

 

1 hour ago, AcePsycho86 said:

and the strongest military in the world gets a 10% increase to continue blowing up innocent people overseas. #Priorities

I don't disagree that military spending is frequently wasteful, but don't be disingenuous here.  "Blowing up innocent people" is hardly a Republican thing.  

 

Also, our military does a lot more than bomb people.  Many technologies developed by the military eventually reach civilians in non-destructive means.  The very thing we're communicating on exists because of the military.

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5 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Do you realize that the way you feel about Republicans is the exact same way they feel about you?  Instead of "ugh, tax breaks for the rich and cutting social programs!" it's "ugh, disproportional taxes on the rich and leeches draining the system!"

I'm well aware of the fact that conservatives don't like me or my views. What's your point? Do you realize that the way you feel about feminists is the exact same way they feel about you?

 

11 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

And as much as you feel yours is the "right" and "fair" way to run society, they think theirs is, too?

Oh, wow. Really? People think that their opinion on how society should be run is the right way to run society? Gee, thanks for telling me Captain! Never would've known that otherwise.
 

13 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

I don't disagree that military spending is frequently wasteful, but don't be disingenuous here.  "Blowing up innocent people" is hardly a Republican thing. 

You're the one putting words into my mouth and yet somehow I'm the one being disingenuous? I never said that blowing up innocent people was a Republican thing. I've criticized the Democrats on this issue several times as well, twice in responses to you. In January 2017, I told you that I felt Hillary Clinton was too interventionist in regards to foreign policy. In April 2017, I told you that I felt Barack Obama was no saint in regards to foreign policy and brought up the fact that 90% of his drone strikes missed their intended targets. So I have absolutely no idea where the attitude that I pretend warmongering is Republican-exclusive comes from.

 

56 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Also, our military does a lot more than bomb people.  Many technologies developed by the military eventually reach civilians in non-destructive means.  The very thing we're communicating on exists because of the military.

Your point? I never claimed that everything the US military does is bad, but rather that we have more than enough money for defense (and offense as well) and as such an increase in the budget isn't needed.

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18 hours ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Do you realize that the way you feel about Republicans is the exact same way they feel about you?  Instead of "ugh, tax breaks for the rich and cutting social programs!" it's "ugh, disproportional taxes on the rich and leeches draining the system!"

 

And as much as you feel yours is the "right" and "fair" way to run society, they think theirs is, too?

 

To me the way of socialism is right because it minimizes the suffering of all individuals, the opposite is true of conservative way, it doesn't care if there are poor who are suffering (unable to get food, homes, health care)

 

I can't comprehend the conservative idea of what is good.

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That is some assumption you make! I doubt most conservatives go around not caring about poor people who suffer. Fun fact #1: The welfare state was a conservative idea, which socialists were opposed to. #2: Conservative parties and right-wing populist parties are the most popular among the working class and unemployed in many European countries (such as UK).

 

Such statements and attitudes help nothing but to create divides. As if oyu label all conservatives as one kind of people, and then the opposite of what's seen as good by most (ironically also conservatives) you will only anger conservatives and create a more hostile climate. 

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It's not moral for taxpayers to be forced by the government to provide social services to the poor.

 

The poor should be imprisoned so they can make a contribution to society through slave labor.

Yay! for Trump's proposed budget cuts.

 

Let the poor die and be ground up for the dog food of the dogs of the rich.

 

 

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If you really believe such, you're part of a problem not the solution to it. Fortunately most politicans, advisors and voters of the parties (let it be the Labour Party or Conservative Party) don't deal in such absolutes. 

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3 hours ago, ThaHoward said:

That is some assumption you make! I doubt most conservatives go around not caring about poor people who suffer. Fun fact #1: The welfare state was a conservative idea, which socialists were opposed to. #2: Conservative parties and right-wing populist parties are the most popular among the working class and unemployed in many European countries (such as UK).

 

Such statements and attitudes help nothing but to create divides. As if oyu label all conservatives as one kind of people, and then the opposite of what's seen as good by most (ironically also conservatives) you will only anger conservatives and create a more hostile climate. 

I don't see any proof of conservatives being opposed to these things,

I've seen them hating on immigrants, cutting disability benefits and health services and such things, opposing transgender acceptance, a whole load of bad things

If they vote for these ideas and pretend they don't see them as good, that's just hypocritical.

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3 hours ago, ThaHoward said:

That is some assumption you make!

I think the assumption (and a reasonable one) is since this thread is about Trump we're talking about US conservatives. In Europe that label may mean something else; so the statements may not apply there. But in the US conservatives (the "right") talk a lot about things like family values and being pro-life, but when it comes to supporting those who are less fortunate they tend to be against spending tax moneys on dealing with problems like healthcare for the masses (to name one issue that is foremost in the US politics at this time). Their concern for children seems to end at birth. Of course, that's a gross over-generalization even for US conservatives. They're the ones pushing for things like the so-called "bathroom bills", which are really transgender discrimination, on the pretext of protecting women and girls (which is totally unfounded and wouldn't be achieved by such bills anyway).

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8 hours ago, Mystic Maya said:

I've seen them hating on immigrants

Illegal immigrants.  And enforcing laws is not "hate."

 

8 hours ago, Mystic Maya said:

cutting disability benefits and health services and such things

Because they don't believe it is right to take money from people willing to work to give it to people who are not willing to work.

 

8 hours ago, Mystic Maya said:

a whole load of bad things

In your opinion.

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8 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Illegal immigrants.  And enforcing laws is not "hate."

You call it "enforcing laws", I call it "tearing families apart". Law does not dictate morality.

 

13 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Because they don't believe it is right to take money from people willing to work to give it to people who are not willing to work.

It's extremely disingenuous to refer to those receiving disability benefits as "people who are not willing to work". In the vast majority of cases, the people receiving these benefits are unable to work, not unwilling to work.

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8 hours ago, Mystic Maya said:

I don't see any proof of conservatives being opposed to these things,

You've apparently have never been to church.

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