Master Trump Thread

[Perissodactyla]

Impeachment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRIlAuIskLU

[Sally]

We must keep in mind who we'd get if Trump were impeached:  Pence.  The only saving grace in having Trump serve out his term is that he will drive the Republican party down to the depths of the ocean.  Pence would completely turn this country into a theocracy.  

[Perissodactyla]

On 3/23/2017 at 0:13 PM, euco said:

"As every American is aware, including even those who have never heard of impeachment, the primary problem with impeaching Drumpf is the horror of a president Pence. For a long time I tried to explain to people that this was stupid. Pence is already running the show. Impeachment is about placing the executive branch under the rule of law, not about the trivial matter of what individual holds what office for a few years. A President Pence with a Congress that impeaches people would be better than King Donald with Congress acting as court jesters."

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/22/jimmy-breslin-on-how-to-impeach-trump/

Why British People Are Betting On Drumpf's Impeachment

VICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hzIS7T7S4k

 

 

'Drumpf is never going to be a proper president', says David Frum

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-is-never-going-to-be-a-proper-president-says-david-frum-1.4061836

VIDEO

The Atlantic's senior editor and former speechwriter for George W. Bush analyzes Drumpf's Syria actions.

 

Joe Rogan & Sam Harris on Donald Drumpf's Incompetence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrM2ckZwBS0#t=7.793622

 

 

https://i.imgur.com/Q4wxtm8.png

 

https://i.imgur.com/NwlWIxN.png

 

 

[iff]

So question for Americans.

 

How did the senate judge it from 60 votes to 51 to appoint gorsuch?

[daveb]

Not quite sure I understand your phrasing, @iff

The Senate has rules they instituted themselves for how to conduct business. Apparently they can also change the rules. So when the Republicans didn't have enough votes to overcome the opposition they changed the rules to allow a simple majority. That was not a decision to be taken lightly (and some Republicans had said things to indicate they would be against changing the rules, but then went ahead and voted for the change anyway).

[iff]

Thanks @daveb

 

I think the problem with the wording being my typing of judge where i should have typed change. Particularly as this is a life time appointment so simple majority just creates a bad situation where it is too easy to get appointments through.

[daveb]

2 minutes ago, iff said:

I think the problem with the wording being my typing of judge where i should have typed change. Particularly as this is a life time appointment so simple majority just creates a bad situation where it is too easy to get appointments through.

Ah, that would explain that!

Yeah, that's one of the reasons even some Republicans thought it was a bad idea to change the rules (apparently McCain basically said only a stupid idiot would do it; but that was before he voted for it).

[Perissodactyla]

"US dropped 26,172 bombs in 2016: http://on.cfr.org/2jesIz9    

How does 59 more suddenly demonstrate US "resolve," "credibility," + "leadership?" "

 

 

Five Top Papers Run 18 Opinion Pieces Praising Syria Strikes–Zero Are Critical

Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to Donald Drumpf’s Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough.

http://fair.org/home/five-top-papers-run-18-opinion-pieces-praising-syria-strikes-zero-are-critical/

 

 

IncompeDrumpf's Border Wall Designs Are Public  http://www.attn.com/stories/16276/trumps-border-wall-designs-are-public

 

When @theonion is the most reliable news...'Drumpf Confident U.S. Military Strike On Syria Wiped Out Russian Scandal'

 

Extraordinarily Dangerous: Chomsky on How Drumpf's Threats Toward N. Korea Could Backfire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDGpm_Uuq8M

 

U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-korea-idUSKBN17A0V5

 

[Sally]

Ach, we are now in another years-long war.   Which was quite strategic for Trump's purposes: it will shove the Russia-Trump collusion claims back into the closet.  

[YukimuraFreya]

We have a really broken political system where one party is trying to beat the other without regards for the common good. System needs an overhaul, I just don't know how to begin... but Trump is certainly allowed to do so many things he should not bc the Republican controls Congress now... :/

[Perissodactyla]

8 hours ago, YukimuraFreya said:

I just don't know how to begin... 

You can begin by finding a local group that shares your political values and goals. 

Identify which issues you care about most and see if there's a local group of new friends who you can enjoy hanging out with and doing positive stuff.

 

Since it's mostly volunteer work, figure out how much time you can give to it. It's important to enjoy the people involved and the environment. 

It helps if it's fun for you, since the work can easily be exhausting, all depending on how one is to participate in 'overauling the system'.

 

You can participate to some extent online, but the real work is physical. And it's also more fun that way, too, if you're socially adaptable.

 

I've volunteered a number of times to work for a while on various projects and I learned a lot from it, and made a lot of new friends.

 

 

 

"Yes, this is hard.  But we have to keep trying.

 

If we are cynical about the system, then it causes us to stop being involved.  If you stop being involved, if you basically give up, then you’re giving up on our democracy.  And if you give up on our democracy, you are ceding the entire system to the moneyed interests that would like nothing better than for all of us to grow cynical and give up.  So we can not and we must not.”        —  Robert Reich, Inequality Media 2016

 

http://robertreich.org/

 

https://www.inequalitymedia.org/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPYtT7whro

 

[CaptainYesterday]

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[The Terrible Travis]

2 hours ago, CaptainYesterday said:

The common good according to you, that is.

And the majority of Americans as well.

[Yatogami]

40 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said:

And the majority of Americans as well.

You mean the % of Americans who are Non-center Left, who believe this. Which is about 15-18% of the USA. Also the % of Americans who vote Democrat. About the same for Republicans too. With only hardly 40% of the population even careing about voting. You cannot even make a claim about "The majority of Americans", that is, unless you specifically state it as "Voting Americans". Even then, people who are against the two party system only make up about 5-7% of the voting population. Americans must be pretty content, otherwise they would care enough to vote.

[The Terrible Travis]

1 minute ago, スバル said:

You mean the % of Americans who are Non-center Left, who believe this.

Yeah, that's the majority of Americans.

[Yatogami]

Just now, AcePsycho86 said:

Yeah, that's the majority of Americans.

Liberals are a minority, actually. The media would make you think otherwise.

[The Terrible Travis]

Just now, スバル said:

Liberals are a minority, actually. The media would make you think otherwise.

Public opinion polls consistently show majority support for liberal policies.

[Yatogami]

Just now, AcePsycho86 said:

Public opinion polls consistently show majority support for liberal policies.

Public opinion polls, are not proof. All polls can be manipulated with controlled audiences and sample groups. You need a census to make an accurate data gathering. 

[The Terrible Travis]

Just now, スバル said:

Public opinion polls, are not proof. All polls can be manipulated with controlled audiences and sample groups. You need a census to make an accurate data gathering. 

To my knowledge, censuses simply ask people how they identify. They don't ask for their views on political issues. I could be wrong though.

[Yatogami]

3 minutes ago, AcePsycho86 said:

To my knowledge, censuses simply ask people how they identify. They don't ask for their views on political issues. I could be wrong though.

You pick a party to vote for, that is closest to what you believe. Like usually, Liberals vote democrat, even if they seem a bit right winged to some Lefties. Libertarians etc, can vote Republican because they are fiscally conservative. etc. 

 

So in actuality, your chosen party is far far smaller than what you think. If only 40% of America is voting, and you divide it up exactly by political stances instead of party. You will realize how much more of a minority you really are. 

[CaptainYesterday]

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[The Terrible Travis]

4 minutes ago, CaptainYesterday said:

The first part about "the common good" was referencing conservatives as a whole.  If you think it's a landslide towards democrats, I think you would be surprised with how many people support "conservatives" and "conservative ideas" when you abstract it from "Trump."

Whatever the number is, it's certainly not as many as those who support liberals and liberal ideas.

[CaptainYesterday]

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[The Terrible Travis]

1 minute ago, CaptainYesterday said:

What makes you think that?

Public opinion polls.

[CaptainYesterday]

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[Yatogami]

Holy shit, Trump just dropped MOABs on ISIS.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791652/Trump-bomb-ISIS-tunnels-War-Non-Nuclear-assault-Afghanistan

 

MOABs are the biggest non-nuclear bomb.

[Sally]

19 hours ago, スバル said:

Public opinion polls, are not proof. All polls can be manipulated with controlled audiences and sample groups. You need a census to make an accurate data gathering. 

Indeed, polls are not proof.  However, voting could be considered to be as near-proof as well as anything, and the fact is that the majority of Americans voted for a Democrat, not a conservative.  

[The Terrible Travis]

7 hours ago, CaptainYesterday said:

Across the board, unilterally?  I call bullshit.

• Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America
• 60% of Americans support single-payer healthcare
• 62% of Americans support tuition-free college
• 78% of Americans want Citizens United to be overturned
• 74% of Americans support paid leave

[Skycaptain]

13 hours ago, スバル said:

Holy shit, Trump just dropped MOABs on ISIS.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791652/Trump-bomb-ISIS-tunnels-War-Non-Nuclear-assault-Afghanistan

 

MOABs are the biggest non-nuclear bomb.

Not doubting the dropping of the bomb, but anyone reading the linked news article look at it with a degree of skepticism. There are clear factual errors that any vaguely numerate seven year old could identify. 

Also a little perspective, the gross poundage of that bomb (21600lb) is actually less than the "Grand Slam" 22000lb used in WWII. Granted, more efficient explosives and lighter casings mean that the total explosive power will be greater, but we're not talking different orders of magnitude here. 

[Sally]

That "mother of all bombs" (good god, we're back to this kind of language...) supposedly killed all of 38 IS fighters.  How many civilians it killed wasn't announced.