Can you Become Intersex?

[AVEN #1 fan]

What defines sex then? How can I know if my baby daughter is a girl or my baby son is a boy?

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is female and 10 is male, then most people are closer to either 1 or 10. However, people who are intersex fall somewhere in between. They might be a 5, exactly in the middle, or they might be a 3 or a 7, closer to one sex than another.

How do you know if your baby is male? or female? Well, even the Olympics has trouble determining the sex of the athletes. Usually determining the sex involves examining many things. From what shape their body is to genetic testing.

How do you know if they're a boy? or a girl? You could raise them as either gender regardless of their sex. It has been done before. Even if you do that, they'll determine their own gender identity and, if they need to, transition to a different sex.

I still don't know why there aren't any campaign out there claiming for parents to raise their kids as neutrois, pangenders or agenders til they decide what gender they prefer. Would everything be easier? Wouldn't people understand Trans and intersex people better?

[Star Bit]

So people who say there are three sexes are wrong?

[darknova42]

So people who say there are three sexes are wrong?

No, I didn't say that;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

There are many cultures that have more than 2 genders/sexes. There's even one that has five. For example, hijra can include people who are intersex, but being hijra isn't dependent upon being intersex.

Saying there are more than 2 sexes isn't wrong. However, people who are intersex don't tend to think of themselves as a third sex. They can, there isn't anything preventing them from doing so, but an intersex woman who has Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome would probably still consider herself both a woman and female regardless of her chromosomes/hormones/etc.

Again, saying "intersex" refers to something specific. If you are not what that specific thing is, then you shouldn't refer to yourself as that. Saying something like "non-binary sex" would include a broad variety of sexes. More than just 3.

[moonnymph]

Intersex was formally known as hermaphrodite, but today it can be used by non-binary people to describe where they are on the gender-spectrum. This new use of the term confuses those not "in the know".

[AVEN #1 fan]

Intersex was formally known as hermaphrodite, but today it can be used by non-binary people to describe where they are on the gender-spectrum. This new use of the term confuses those not "in the know".

"interboy", "intergirl", "inter+[insert a gender]", are genders in the non-binary spectrum that only intersex people formerly known as hermaohrodites can use to describe their gender identity.

Intersex has nothing to do with non-binary genders, it's a medical condition.

If you meant "Intergender", yeah Intergender is a synonymous for androgyne and can be used by anyone to describe where they are in the non-binary spectrum. It means you are simultaneously a boy and a girl, or a mix of those genders .

Sex and gender are different things.

[Guest Sheka4]

Okay, ready nearly every comment in this thread and was a wee bit disturbed by the information people were giving out here or the terminology they were using were completely wrong. There were a few good posts here that did hit the nail on the head, but still.

No, you cannot idenitify as intersex for two reasons:

1) It is extremely rude to a person who actually is diagnosed as being intersex to say that you identify as intersex.

2) I believe that the way you feel you may identify as a nonbinary gender identity.

Now, let's get into the meat of what happens to define an intersex person. When babies are born, doctors look at the babies genitals to determine what "sex" they qualify as. If the baby has a penis they get qualified as "male"; a vagina then they are qualified as "female." For intersex individuals, this gets to be a little tricky for doctors. Some intersex individuals are born with genitalia that makes it difficult for doctors to tick off one box or the other (i.e. this can mean small scrotum, penis or deformities to the vagina) so they perform surgeries (sometimes without informing the parents or gaining their consent) to correct what they think is an abnormality to put this baby in one box or the other. Many people who are intersex often don't know they are intersex until such facts as these come out to light for them. So to a lot of people who are saying that you can "transition" to being intersex I find that highly rude of them to say. Such an argument is synonymous to a straight cis person waking up one morning and saying that they want to transition to "being gay for the day" just to gain a new experience. It's hurtful and rude and something that shouldn't be done. So you're better off researching about nonbinary identities and finding which one personally fits you.

[Nico-Nico Friendo]

I'm still not sure that I'm really satisfied with the answers here. To those calling intersex a disorder, it's called a disorder today but in the past being homosexual was also considered a disorder and that it was something to be "cured" because a homosexual relationship is non-reproductive and "against god". There are still people (including therapists) who think it's a disorder to be asexual and that one's lack of interest in sex needs to be "cured".

So to a lot of people who are saying that you can "transition" to being intersex I find that highly rude of them to say. Such an argument is synonymous to a straight cis person waking up one morning and saying that they want to transition to "being gay for the day" just to gain a new experience. It's hurtful and rude and something that shouldn't be done. So you're better off researching about nonbinary identities and finding which one personally fits you.

So, what if someone thinks it's "rude" to want to transition from intersex to female, or from female to male, etc? A lot of cis-people seem to be offended by the existence of transpeople.

[R_1]

Am I the only here thinking that there's no good words to describe people who wants features of both pairs of genitalia and general appearance? And before you respond mentioning the word, think long and hard of the issues with that word and the limitation. When you do, you'll realize that there's just no good word to describe it.

[AVEN #1 fan]

I'm still not sure that I'm really satisfied with the answers here. To those calling intersex a disorder, it's called a disorder today but in the past being homosexual was also considered a disorder and that it was something to be "cured" because a homosexual relationship is non-reproductive and "against god". There are still people (including therapists) who think it's a disorder to be asexual and that one's lack of interest in sex needs to be "cured".

So to a lot of people who are saying that you can "transition" to being intersex I find that highly rude of them to say. Such an argument is synonymous to a straight cis person waking up one morning and saying that they want to transition to "being gay for the day" just to gain a new experience. It's hurtful and rude and something that shouldn't be done. So you're better off researching about nonbinary identities and finding which one personally fits you.

So, what if someone thinks it's "rude" to want to transition from intersex to female, or from female to male, etc? A lot of cis-people seem to be offended by the existence of transpeople.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:

I agree with you intersex people who wants to transition to binary sexes should be able to be called transsexuals.

And people who feels like they're intersex inside their minds and want a non-binary transition should be called "interssexuals", a new term I just coined based the fact inter means in BTW, so an interssexual is a transesexual with a non-binary identity. I mean like c'mon we have the term Transgender aligning with the term transsexual, so why can't we have a new term, interssexual to align with intergender/androgyne/ambigender. Intergenders are people who feel in BTW male and female, it's a synonymous for androgyne and ambigender, anyone can use it.

Also don't be so surprised, people now a days says the term transsexual is transphobic, hermaphordite is an slur and that intergender is an intersex exclusive term. It doesn't surprise me that even doctors believe intersex is a disorder, and also they keep using the suffix "ism" to refer to queer conditions, they say "homossexualism", "lesbianism", "transgenderism", "transsexualism", "hermaphroditism", etc. Instead of using the proper terms: "homosexuality", "lesbianity", "transsexuality", etc. The suffix "ism" as I said above is used to refer to disorders . My bad even my doctor uses this vocabulary when referring to my Trans condition.

[AVEN #1 fan]

I'm still not sure that I'm really satisfied with the answers here. To those calling intersex a disorder, it's called a disorder today but in the past being homosexual was also considered a disorder and that it was something to be "cured" because a homosexual relationship is non-reproductive and "against god". There are still people (including therapists) who think it's a disorder to be asexual and that one's lack of interest in sex needs to be "cured".

So to a lot of people who are saying that you can "transition" to being intersex I find that highly rude of them to say. Such an argument is synonymous to a straight cis person waking up one morning and saying that they want to transition to "being gay for the day" just to gain a new experience. It's hurtful and rude and something that shouldn't be done. So you're better off researching about nonbinary identities and finding which one personally fits you.

So, what if someone thinks it's "rude" to want to transition from intersex to female, or from female to male, etc? A lot of cis-people seem to be offended by the existence of transpeople.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:

I agree with you intersex people who wants to transition to binary sexes should be able to be called transsexuals.

And people who feels like they're intersex inside their minds and want a non-binary transition should be called "interssexuals", a new term I just coined based the fact inter means in BTW, so an interssexual is a transesexual with a non-binary identity. I mean like c'mon we have the term Transgender aligning with the term transsexual, so why can't we have a new term, interssexual to align with intergender/androgyne/ambigender. Intergenders are people who feel in BTW male and female, it's a synonymous for androgyne and ambigender, anyone can use it.

Also don't be so surprised, people now a days says the term transsexual is transphobic, hermaphordite is an slur and that intergender is an intersex exclusive term. It doesn't surprise me that even doctors believe intersex is a disorder, and also they keep using the suffix "ism" to refer to queer conditions, they say "homossexualism", "lesbianism", "transgenderism", "transsexualism", "hermaphroditism", etc. Instead of using the proper terms: "homosexuality", "lesbianity", "transsexuality", etc. The suffix "ism" as I said above is used to refer to disorders . My bad even my doctor uses this vocabulary when referring to my Trans condition.

[AVEN #1 fan]

Am I the only here thinking that there's no good words to describe people who wants features of both pairs of genitalia and general appearance? And before you respond mentioning the word, think long and hard of the issues with that word and the limitation. When you do, you'll realize that there's just no good word to describe it.

Non-sex conforming and born-in-BtW-sexes should all just he called "hijras" or the "third sex", I think the problem is that we have too many out dated names that we rly didn't need.

Some of these names like intersex, hermaphrodite and transexual are considered offensive by tons of people.

[Star Bit]

And if any other word was used in the past then it would be view as offensive now too. It's not the word but the stigma behind it that they don't want, which doesn't actually mean there needs to be a new word.

[NiagaraDeeDee]

Hi, well first, I am not asexual, I am a MTF. But this topic is dear to me, because it is EXACTLY what I want. Searching forever, there have been vague rumors of some Doctor in Thailand, or India, who will do this, no one knows who. Why is this perfect? Well I am bi, so sometimes I am with a girls, sometimes a guy. Also, I am not dysphoric (much) about my big clitty, I kind of like what it does for me.  And most girls like it too. However, with guys, well, they must use the backdoor, which, requires prep, and there is always a risk, of the unexpected, having a real nice clean vagina, would be heaven for me, and them! Its standard to use the inverted penis in  SRS , but some Drs use the scrotum as the vagina, others a piece of colon. It would NOT be without sensation, as the whole idea is prostrate stimulation. If I could find someone who would do this surgery, I would be calling for an appointment tomorrow!

[Acing It]

On 31/05/2016 at 11:23 PM, AVEN #1 fan said:

"interboy", "intergirl", "inter+[insert a gender]", are genders in the non-binary spectrum that only intersex people formerly known as hermaohrodites can use to describe their gender identity.

Intersex has nothing to do with non-binary genders, it's a medical condition.

If you meant "Intergender", yeah Intergender is a synonymous for androgyne and can be used by anyone to describe where they are in the non-binary spectrum. It means you are simultaneously a boy and a girl, or a mix of those genders .

Sex and gender are different things.

I would argue against using 'medical condition' for intersex people as it suggest it's either an illness or it's something that needs medical intervention to put right. i don't agree with that and the idea that medical intervention should be needed to 'put things right' is a social construct rather than a medical necessity. I was hoping that the times that doctors were deciding to 'make' an intersex person a boy or a girl almost at the time of birth were long past (though I know sex is important to parents. It's almost always one of the first things they ask (but again, social construct imo)). I would argue in favour of using 'physical condition' instead of 'medical condition' for these reasons.

 

Having read some of the articles in the links in this thread I would like to refine my statement above as intersex, quite rightly, is not a simple unitary condition. I think it's more correct and right to say that I would argue against 'medical condition' being used for every presentation of intersex. I think the articles I read and the reading I did on the back of these was very useful! I can recommend it!

[Janus the Fox]

It is possible to transition into an intersex identity and gender reassignment. I've seen at least a few pictures, probably also porn, like for an example, a man be given what resembles a vagina, in addition to the penis or a replacement for testes.  Along with gender nullification, there's few doctors that will perform it, not without significant wealth, though the more time has changed with development for more mixed gender identities, at present or future such surgeries become more recognized.

 

I was born with at one point was described as a mild intersex condition that left the penis with Chordee, hypospadias and undescended testes well into what was a very late onset of puberty, the repair meant reinforcing the size and posture of the penis along with relocating the opening of the urethra and circumcision, much more severe of which would be met with full gender resignment.  It was corrected at age 4 in 1991 simply because I couldn't urinate standing up like boys do and to make sure sexual function remains unaffected, if I was a heterosexual male or dominant homosexual, myself being neither, though only able to get pleasure by other means, not able to get much pleasure due to scars and cuts to major nerves, unable to stand while urinating without significant spray, preferring to sit regardless as part of a more feminine identity anyway. There's not enough tissue and scaring for any Gender Resignment if I wanted and with a liver condition, not able to transition medically, even if I wished to.

 

Now such conditions are left to the parents choice or left alone and deemed unnecessary unless there's other problems like recurring infection, problems with tight foreskin, cross contamination with the bowel, pain or problems with erections if it's wanted for a sexual relationship.  I never had that choice and faced the possibility of further problems every 2 years which where part of growing up.

[Lonemathsytoothbrushthief]

@Acing It The way I would view it is that, just as with cis/trans and white/person of colour, being intersex is another identity defined by the systemic oppression of a group. It is also a medical condition for those who feel the need to treat it as such for their own health(this it has in common to some extent with being trans when we consider gender dysphoria and such, though that's something which is developed much later of course), but that doesn't change the fact that it's something which people are taught not to know about, not to speak about and to stigmatise while the people with that identity can suffer some really horrible abuse due to medical institutions enforcing this. But the difference between it and being trans/cis etc, is that the part of you which is stigmatised by society is the body you're born with, and the discrimination which intersex people experience is based on their being born that way. I do agree if non binary or otherwise trans people feel the need to have a body outside of the binary norms, we need words to discuss it which don't tread on the toes of intersex people though.

[Lonemathsytoothbrushthief]

@Janus DarkFox That sounds really shitty *massive optional hugs*

[6_5by6]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 8:47 PM, darknova42 said:

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is female and 10 is male, then most people are closer to either 1 or 10. However, people who are intersex fall somewhere in between. They might be a 5, exactly in the middle, or they might be a 3 or a 7, closer to one sex than another.

How do you know if your baby is male? or female? Well, even the Olympics has trouble determining the sex of the athletes. Usually determining the sex involves examining many things. From what shape their body is to genetic testing.

How do you know if they're a boy? or a girl? You could raise them as either gender regardless of their sex. It has been done before. Even if you do that, they'll determine their own gender identity and, if they need to, transition to a different sex.

I like your remarks and definitions. I am a male - 10. I have dick and balls. I do not have a hidden vagina. I like feminines, slim ladies.

I think women that appear feminine and have other things feminine and masculine (a dick) are very hampered in achieving a relationship because of the misconceptions and ignorance. They might feel that they can not go out and be with men(10) because of that(5). I just want to say I am attracted to the way a person is outwardly and their respect towards themselves. I want to encourage the woman(5) to address me and others as themselves. Be healthy, educated, and happy. I would like to meet that person and be in a relationship maybe, if I am acceptable to her.

[Clearly]

I think it's an important topic. Nobody can be offended by your identification. I want the most common micro penis with the vagina opening just below and urethra at the top of the vagina opening. Surgeons in Thailand do this operation, Intersex confirmation. Better m2f, however, it can be done either way and hormones you want. I want this desperately, i cannot tell you how bad. It's my particular dysphoria:( 

[Karst]

Being intersex is a physical thing, whereas being non-binary is an identity.  

 

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".  (From Wikipedia)

 

Non-binary people don't feel that they are male or female on a psychological level, and may want to alter their bodies to match.  So, there are some similarities to being intersex, but they are not the same thing.

 

 Since most (if not all) of the variations we lump together under "intersex" are genetic, it's not possible to transition to what would be medically considered intersex.  However, physical transitioning with hormones and surgery can create a body that is very similar.

 

Here's some sources:

http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

http://www.isna.org/faq/transgender

 

[Sally]

Being intersex is not a medical condition; it's a physical condition.  You are born intersex; you don't transition into or out of it.  

[Lonemathsytoothbrushthief]

 

Deleted my comment because I've already replied on this thread o.o

[Butter]

I am male and female. About 70% of the time functioning male and 30% functioning female (cross dressed of course). I know many people online who feel the same. See breastnexum.com. I want genitalia to match.  I am happy with my (small) breasts but would feel finally complete if I also had a vagina.  I feel I am missing a part of me.

 

I am attracted to the female form so you might think it is unnecessary. But, I don’t care what other people think about it, I am missing something. I would love to have a child, nurse and raise a child. But I know that is a far reach. I am happy as a man and a woman. I don’t care what name you want to make up or what disorder you want to assign. I am solid, happy, and just feel a little unsatisfied with not being given a penis and a vagina. 

[Just Somebody]

On 6/10/2019 at 6:39 AM, Butter said:

I am male and female. About 70% of the time functioning male and 30% functioning female (cross dressed of course). I know many people online who feel the same. See breastnexum.com. I want genitalia to match.  I am happy with my (small) breasts but would feel finally complete if I also had a vagina.  I feel I am missing a part of me.

 

I am attracted to the female form so you might think it is unnecessary. But, I don’t care what other people think about it, I am missing something. I would love to have a child, nurse and raise a child. But I know that is a far reach. I am happy as a man and a woman. I don’t care what name you want to make up or what disorder you want to assign. I am solid, happy, and just feel a little unsatisfied with not being given a penis and a vagina. 

Yo,  check out this tool: http://thecrowdfundingcenter.com/videos/play?id=XXX1XF (NSFW )

 

[Surgeon]

Intersex is a condition or phenotype not a gender.  Yes, I have had people come to me to have an intersex phenotype. 

We have done it if they are mentally competent (cleared by mental health therapist) and have the desire. 

 

It is not an identity.  

 

cs

[PoeciMeta]

I've seen the term 'neutrois' used to describe a 'neutral' body type in addition to a gender identity. I think it's a good idea to have a separate term for a body type, or rather body types, that many non-binary people transition to, as opposed to similar body types intersex people can be born with, be it only to avoid confusion. 

[Just Somebody]

On 1/16/2020 at 10:01 AM, PoeciMeta said:

I've seen the term 'neutrois' used to describe a 'neutral' body type in addition to a gender identity. I think it's a good idea to have a separate term for a body type, or rather body types, that many non-binary people transition to, as opposed to similar body types intersex people can be born with, be it only to avoid confusion. 

Guess that's more of a "sexless" body. 

 

Neutrois is a non-binary transgender gender identity, it's not about body types.

[PoeciMeta]

7 hours ago, Just Somebody said:

Guess that's more of a "sexless" body. 

 

Neutrois is a non-binary transgender gender identity, it's not about body types.

I know, it's just something I've seen. 

[Kaattt]

I am a girl but I've been wanting to have a guy's genitalia for a while, while keeping my own. It sounds weird but I have been thinking about for a while. I don't know why I want both genitalia. Am I an intersexual? Are there other people like me thìnking about it? I don't want to be a guy but people sometimes call me masculine or a lesbian, and sometimes I feel like a guy, but other times I'm very girly, and have been called very feminine at other times. I know for sure I don't like girls that way and have experimented. I don't know if it's my personality or anything else. I've been thinking about this since I can remember. Am I an intersexual?

[Just Somebody]

9 hours ago, Kaattt said:

I am a girl but I've been wanting to have a guy's genitalia for a while, while keeping my own. It sounds weird but I have been thinking about for a while. I don't know why I want both genitalia. Am I an intersexual? Are there other people like me thìnking about it? I don't want to be a guy but people sometimes call me masculine or a lesbian, and sometimes I feel like a guy, but other times I'm very girly, and have been called very feminine at other times. I know for sure I don't like girls that way and have experimented. I don't know if it's my personality or anything else. I've been thinking about this since I can remember. Am I an intersexual?

Intersex as an identity group is a medical condition. You can't "become" intersex.

 

 

But it looks like you're transandrogynous (FTA), I can't remember right now but there's another label/name for another sociocultural historical group or category of people you may identify with or as part of.